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Anonymous wrote:Wondering how many of you adults who are harping on a non-permit teen driving 5-10 mph in a parking lot because it's ILLEGAL also drives over the speed limit (illegal) and rolls through stop signs without coming to a complete stop (illegal). Did you have a drink before you turned 21? Did you ever smoke weed before you had a medical marijuana card? I'm guessing you have one at least one of those things (the speed limit thing daily? Weekly?) I love how sanctimonious people are getting over this one thing, a teen driving in an empty parking lot.

You are very stupid. Parent-enabled driving at 13 is not useful, and it's illegal. I assume all the illegal things you did as a minor were not parent-enabled?

I'm not stupid, I'm pointing out that people who are freaking out and want to report parents who do this are very comfortable going 15mph over the limit on the beltway to get to their med spa on time. It's ridiculous.

https://dmv.dc.gov/service/learner-permits-and-provisional-licenses

"To learn to drive—***and to practice driving in the District***—you must have a valid DC DMV learner permit. You must be at least 16 years old to get a DC DMV learner permit, and you must pass vision screening and knowledge tests and provide documentation that proves your identity, residency, and eligibility, among other things."

Anonymous wrote:Wondering how many of you adults who are harping on a non-permit teen driving 5-10 mph in a parking lot because it's ILLEGAL also drives over the speed limit (illegal) and rolls through stop signs without coming to a complete stop (illegal). Did you have a drink before you turned 21? Did you ever smoke weed before you had a medical marijuana card? I'm guessing you have one at least one of those things (the speed limit thing daily? Weekly?) I love how sanctimonious people are getting over this one thing, a teen driving in an empty parking lot.

You are very stupid. Parent-enabled driving at 13 is not useful, and it's illegal. I assume all the illegal things you did as a minor were not parent-enabled?

Anonymous wrote:"It's not illegal to drive on your parents' farm if you're under 16. What OP did is illegal."

Get a grip. That's not illegal in most places, nor should it be.

Having a learner permit means you're licensed to drive on the regular roads and highways with a licensed adult supervising you from the passenger seat. That has nothing to do with learning to maneuver the car around in a big open space where there are no other cars and there is nothing to hit. I don't think I know anybody in Texas where I grew up who doesn't let their kid drive the car/Jeep/truck around on their open land as soon as they can see over the dashboard. Kids also drive boats and ATVs there and shoot shotguns, pellet guns, and sometimes rifles at that age. None of these parents are letting their kids "drive" in the sense that they're engaging with actual traffic.

I'm a stickler for rules, but the notion that someone too young for a learner permit shouldn't be allowed to learn how to push the gas pedal and steer is just crazy. Should I not let my kid using the riding lawnmower either? Sure, the parent assumes the risk of paying for any damage if the kid runs over a big rock or scratches the car on a tree. That's why you let them do this in your old vehicles.

Most assuredly not. It's not damage to things that are problematic. It's injuries to humans or other animals. That's a big risk on private properties where bozo parents like you think nothing can go wrong.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting question OP because I did the exact same thing during our stay at home Covid time with my 13-year-old. It was super fun she really liked it. They were always dead empty parking lots she never went above 10 miles an hour in fact I don’t even think she hit a full 10 miles an hour.

The only time we ever saw somebody it was actually a cop who complimented her on her reversing out of a parking space skill

Because he didn't know she was 13.

Anonymous wrote:"What are you yammering about?

Damn you have never been on a farm."

+100

Do you realize that kids can take airplane pilot flying lessons at age 13?

Yes. Do you realize kids cannot take driving lessons at age 13?

Interesting question OP because I did the exact same thing during our stay at home Covid time with my 13-year-old. It was super fun she really liked it. They were always dead empty parking lots she never went above 10 miles an hour in fact I don’t even think she hit a full 10 miles an hour.

The only time we ever saw somebody it was actually a cop who complimented her on her reversing out of a parking space skill

Wondering how many of you adults who are harping on a non-permit teen driving 5-10 mph in a parking lot because it's ILLEGAL also drives over the speed limit (illegal) and rolls through stop signs without coming to a complete stop (illegal). Did you have a drink before you turned 21? Did you ever smoke weed before you had a medical marijuana card? I'm guessing you have one at least one of those things (the speed limit thing daily? Weekly?) I love how sanctimonious people are getting over this one thing, a teen driving in an empty parking lot.

"It's not illegal to drive on your parents' farm if you're under 16. What OP did is illegal."

Get a grip. That's not illegal in most places, nor should it be.

Having a learner permit means you're licensed to drive on the regular roads and highways with a licensed adult supervising you from the passenger seat. That has nothing to do with learning to maneuver the car around in a big open space where there are no other cars and there is nothing to hit. I don't think I know anybody in Texas where I grew up who doesn't let their kid drive the car/Jeep/truck around on their open land as soon as they can see over the dashboard. Kids also drive boats and ATVs there and shoot shotguns, pellet guns, and sometimes rifles at that age. None of these parents are letting their kids "drive" in the sense that they're engaging with actual traffic.

I'm a stickler for rules, but the notion that someone too young for a learner permit shouldn't be allowed to learn how to push the gas pedal and steer is just crazy. Should I not let my kid using the riding lawnmower either? Sure, the parent assumes the risk of paying for any damage if the kid runs over a big rock or scratches the car on a tree. That's why you let them do this in your old vehicles.

It's illegal.

It's not the best use of your time, since a few years of added maturity makes learning better.

Depending on the child, they might grow considerably between 13 and 16 and have a completely different visual and motor approach to driving.

During the lockdown, we fostered puppies and pregnant dogs through a rescue. Kids learned a lot.

"What are you yammering about?

Damn you have never been on a farm."

+100

Do you realize that kids can take airplane pilot flying lessons at age 13?

Anonymous wrote:No judgment here. My child has anxiety about driving and I plan to start them in parking lots well before permit time so that they can relax some more behind the wheel when the time comes that they actually have to hit some roads.

No. You get the permit, then you hit the parking lots to start the process. And the process is long. It can take well over a year before you kid is alone in a care. No need to rush the process by doing something illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t care. Not helpful to learn driving, but just as good a way to pass the time as anything else. Am assuming empty parking lot, which sounds like this was. Anyone callling CPS over this (or thinking now their precious child can’t come to OP’s house) is completely ridiculous.

As a teacher, if I know a parent is violating the law in ways that impact their child's safety, and I don't call CPS, I lose my career. Sorry, I'm not going to jeopardize my ability to support my kids so OP and their kid can joyride.

Why would you have to report anything about a parent teaching their kid to drive in an empty parking lot?

Isn’t that how most kids learn how to drive?

Yes, that is where you start AFTER you have the learners' permit.

Anonymous wrote:It's not illegal to drive in a parking lot. It's not a publicly-maintained road.

Same reason the police can't issue speeding tickets for speeding in a mall parking lot -- the laws don't apply. It's also one of my annoyances -- parking lots, since the signs are set up by the owner, don't always follow the standards for sign location and size, so they can sometimes be easy to miss.

It is illegal to drive a car without a valid drivers license.

I would say you most likely live somewhere like Arkansas or Kentucky where a 13 yr old can legally drive some farm machinery