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Anonymous wrote:They love virtue-signaling as much as their woke counterparts. They love to stake a flag on the easy part of the moral high ground. They dont have the fortitude to navigate the trickier parts of the terrain.

I am very leftist and I see it on our side too. People are all social justice for the low hanging-fruit but they dont have the integrity when it’s more costly. The US’s own warmongering that contributed to the Ukraine invasion gets ignored because it’s easier to focus on Putin. Our blind support for ethnic cleansing in Palestine is ignored because its easier to focus on how bad anti-Semitism is.

This isn’t a right wing problem. Its a moral failure problem, and Americans of all stripes have it.

I partway agree with you, except I think the actual, literal fundamentalism on the right is much stronger. The forced birth movement was built by Catholics who sincerely believe that life is “sacred” from conception. The Catholics have LONG been perfectly fine with repressing & controlling women, with little care for the emotional well being of children.

… and if you don’t believe me, read the American Catholic extremist forced-birth advocate Bill Donohue’s statements in defense of the Magdalen Laundries. These guys are FINE with women and children suffering.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland

And the Indian schools. Those were largely run by the Catholic church and they’re still finding mass graves.

Forced birthers have zero moral high ground. You can’t force the use of someone’s body against their will and caring nothing for the life quality of the woman or the eventual child and claim the high ground. You’re okay with torturing someone. That’s indefensible.

I feel like it’s hard for people who haven’t been up close with hardcore orthodox Catholics to understand this: they are FINE with people suffering if they believe its what their rules require.

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Anonymous wrote:They love virtue-signaling as much as their woke counterparts. They love to stake a flag on the easy part of the moral high ground. They dont have the fortitude to navigate the trickier parts of the terrain.

I am very leftist and I see it on our side too. People are all social justice for the low hanging-fruit but they dont have the integrity when it’s more costly. The US’s own warmongering that contributed to the Ukraine invasion gets ignored because it’s easier to focus on Putin. Our blind support for ethnic cleansing in Palestine is ignored because its easier to focus on how bad anti-Semitism is.

This isn’t a right wing problem. Its a moral failure problem, and Americans of all stripes have it.

I partway agree with you, except I think the actual, literal fundamentalism on the right is much stronger. The forced birth movement was built by Catholics who sincerely believe that life is “sacred” from conception. The Catholics have LONG been perfectly fine with repressing & controlling women, with little care for the emotional well being of children.

… and if you don’t believe me, read the American Catholic extremist forced-birth advocate Bill Donohue’s statements in defense of the Magdalen Laundries. These guys are FINE with women and children suffering.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland

And the Indian schools. Those were largely run by the Catholic church and they’re still finding mass graves.

Forced birthers have zero moral high ground. You can’t force the use of someone’s body against their will and caring nothing for the life quality of the woman or the eventual child and claim the high ground. You’re okay with torturing someone. That’s indefensible.

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Anonymous wrote:They love virtue-signaling as much as their woke counterparts. They love to stake a flag on the easy part of the moral high ground. They dont have the fortitude to navigate the trickier parts of the terrain.

I am very leftist and I see it on our side too. People are all social justice for the low hanging-fruit but they dont have the integrity when it’s more costly. The US’s own warmongering that contributed to the Ukraine invasion gets ignored because it’s easier to focus on Putin. Our blind support for ethnic cleansing in Palestine is ignored because its easier to focus on how bad anti-Semitism is.

This isn’t a right wing problem. Its a moral failure problem, and Americans of all stripes have it.

I partway agree with you, except I think the actual, literal fundamentalism on the right is much stronger. The forced birth movement was built by Catholics who sincerely believe that life is “sacred” from conception. The Catholics have LONG been perfectly fine with repressing & controlling women, with little care for the emotional well being of children.

… and if you don’t believe me, read the American Catholic extremist forced-birth advocate Bill Donohue’s statements in defense of the Magdalen Laundries. These guys are FINE with women and children suffering.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland

Anonymous wrote:They love virtue-signaling as much as their woke counterparts. They love to stake a flag on the easy part of the moral high ground. They dont have the fortitude to navigate the trickier parts of the terrain.

I am very leftist and I see it on our side too. People are all social justice for the low hanging-fruit but they dont have the integrity when it’s more costly. The US’s own warmongering that contributed to the Ukraine invasion gets ignored because it’s easier to focus on Putin. Our blind support for ethnic cleansing in Palestine is ignored because its easier to focus on how bad anti-Semitism is.

This isn’t a right wing problem. Its a moral failure problem, and Americans of all stripes have it.

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Anonymous wrote:They love virtue-signaling as much as their woke counterparts. They love to stake a flag on the easy part of the moral high ground. They dont have the fortitude to navigate the trickier parts of the terrain.

I am very leftist and I see it on our side too. People are all social justice for the low hanging-fruit but they dont have the integrity when it’s more costly. The US’s own warmongering that contributed to the Ukraine invasion gets ignored because it’s easier to focus on Putin. Our blind support for ethnic cleansing in Palestine is ignored because its easier to focus on how bad anti-Semitism is.

This isn’t a right wing problem. Its a moral failure problem, and Americans of all stripes have it.

I partway agree with you, except I think the actual, literal fundamentalism on the right is much stronger. The forced birth movement was built by Catholics who sincerely believe that life is “sacred” from conception. The Catholics have LONG been perfectly fine with repressing & controlling women, with little care for the emotional well being of children.

Anonymous wrote:They love virtue-signaling as much as their woke counterparts. They love to stake a flag on the easy part of the moral high ground. They dont have the fortitude to navigate the trickier parts of the terrain.

I am very leftist and I see it on our side too. People are all social justice for the low hanging-fruit but they dont have the integrity when it’s more costly. The US’s own warmongering that contributed to the Ukraine invasion gets ignored because it’s easier to focus on Putin. Our blind support for ethnic cleansing in Palestine is ignored because its easier to focus on how bad anti-Semitism is.

This isn’t a right wing problem. Its a moral failure problem, and Americans of all stripes have it.

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I just don't see this as the most pressing issue right now across the US. Feeding one's family and sheltering one's family is much more important.

I'm pretty sure this is the most recent GOP deflection/talking point.

Family planning reduces poverty. Being able to avoid illness and the sequalae of botched or delayed necessary procedures reduces poverty. Adding more people to your family -- against your will -- is not the way to improve your chances of feeding and sheltering the family you already have.

Heck, if you want to raise people out of poverty, give them access to effective education and a means to control reproduction. That's the bang for the buck. This point up there? Complete nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

In other words, you actually agree with the mainstream Democratic position on the topic. By your own definition, voting blue is a vote for the “rational middle ground”. The only extreme position on the table is the red side.

The only detail we might quibble over is who gets to make the decision about what qualifies as “fetal problems and health of mother”. I think that judgement should be made by the mother and her doctor, not lawyers and politicians. Do you agree? Or do you want the government getting involved in medical decisions?

this is what gets me. at the end of the day, we DO all believe in an intrinsic right to privacy. Every lawyer who thought this was some kind of Con Law final (“oh well actually, the penumbra argument was not well grounded in jurisprudence”) got COMPLETELY played.

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Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

In other words, you actually agree with the mainstream Democratic position on the topic. By your own definition, voting blue is a vote for the “rational middle ground”. The only extreme position on the table is the red side.

The only detail we might quibble over is who gets to make the decision about what qualifies as “fetal problems and health of mother”. I think that judgement should be made by the mother and her doctor, not lawyers and politicians. Do you agree? Or do you want the government getting involved in medical decisions?

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Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

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I just don't see this as the most pressing issue right now across the US. Feeding one's family and sheltering one's family is much more important.

Anonymous wrote:The brainwashing that has befallen many conservative women at the hands of their churches and families is sad.

They honestly believe that our world is better without their active participation and want to be baby factories and little else.

Surely some of them are intelligent enough to see through this BS, but given that their families and their faith are all they have now, especially as their rights erode away, how could they possibly question? Especially given how very red the red states are and how much they have come to resemble a cult.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear LORD, do you people have anything better to do? Same old tired people spouting the same old tired things.

Dear lord, you must not care about women. Let me guess.. money is your god? You don't want to face reality. Stick your head in the sand until someone you know/love needs abortion, and then just go to a blue state to get the abortion?

I just don't see this as the most pressing issue right now across the US. Feeding one's family and sheltering one's family is much more important.

Nearly 1 in 4 American women have an abortion in their lifetimes. This is not a fringe issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear LORD, do you people have anything better to do? Same old tired people spouting the same old tired things.

Dear lord, you must not care about women. Let me guess.. money is your god? You don't want to face reality. Stick your head in the sand until someone you know/love needs abortion, and then just go to a blue state to get the abortion?

I just don't see this as the most pressing issue right now across the US. Feeding one's family and sheltering one's family is much more important.