Anonymous
08/08/2022 12:04
Subject: Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:All you Elrich voters, make sure to call Elrich and not the police if your home gets broken into, or your child is getting the sh1t beat out of them. Elrich knows better than cops how to stop these criminals.
Interesting that you should choose to bring up a “child … getting the sh1t beat out of them” as a reason to support cops.
https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/03/29/982278876/footage-shows-montgomery-county-police-officers-threatening-a-5-year-old-black-boy
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/montgomery-co-council-president-introduces-police-accountability-bill/65-4a9437d4-3352-4c95-8691-b44405467a34
As to your first point, I’ll assume that you’re familiar with Breonna Taylor — and how incidents like this impact how many of us view mindsets that are completely without nuance in their support of policing.
There are many points to be made for increased policing. Most of them can’t effectively be made, let alone implemented, without addressing some deep-seated systemic issues that become even more important when the armed police officers charged to serve and protect do exactly the opposite.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 11:58
Subject: Elrich Wins
The so called Civilian Police Chief Elrich hired was fired not long after due to ethics violation. How's that for irony.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 11:55
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
I care about business and job growth, but those things aren’t at the very top of my list of priorities.
There are a lot of things about Blair that, for me, raise serious concerns, that weren’t allayed despite my efforts to get more specific information.
Do you care about public safety? Do you want a fully-staffed police force? Or is public safety also not on your list of priorities?
You seem to be much more interested in spewing out your own priorities than in genuinely being concerned about mine. Have at it.
And know that your ranting is the opposite of persuasive.
Safety is my priority, for me and for my entire community. I’m frustrated that our officials make decisions that put us at risk. That includes their call to reduce police staffing by 50% in Wheaton and Silver Spring, claiming those areas need reduced interactions with police. (Note that they don’t seem concerned about who will respond to crime in those areas.). Elrich also pulled SROs against the wishes of many.
You never actually said what your priorities are. (If you are the poster above, you claimed what they aren’t: business and job growth.) I probably care about your priorities, as well, or at least I can respect them. Can you do the same?
Yes I can, and I would have been more specific if you had asked — instead of emphasizing your own priorities. Honestly, I’m kind of tired. (Not of addressing this with you, PP, just with the current realities of politics.)
Safety is my number one priority. But it has to be acknowledged that “safety” doesn’t mean the same things for all of us in our community — whether that’s SROs, the behavior of police officers, health care and the way that COVID and other public health issues are handled, gun violence, domestic violence, or other things that affect our well-being as individuals and as communities. My Safety list clearly overlaps with Health, and Education. I have priorities as well, but Safety, Health, and Education are broad enough to cover quite a lot of my concerns.
I voted for Elrich in large part because I’m comfortable with the way that our county handled COVID — a novel, communicable, potentially fatal or disabling disease that has decimated my community. I’m uncomfortable with Blair for a variety of reasons— including his background, his lack of specifics in the materials that his campaign provided, his self-funded campaign, and a brief personal interaction with him. One of the questions I have about Blair’s background is his lack of public service —including the way he spent his time between elections, and general questions about what it is that he wants so much that he’s willing to spend quite a lot of his own money to get it.
I, too, am frustrated that our officials make decisions that put us at risk.
I’ll add that I’m not anti-police, and have had both personal and professional relationships with many police officers. The presence of police officers, though, without making explicit statements about training, recruiting, and codes of conduct, doesn’t make me or some of the communities that I am a part of “safer”.
If you’re genuinely interested in seriously discussing these types of issues, I’m open to doing so —perhaps in a dedicated thread. I’ll even use a pseudonym to make it easier to follow the thread.
Thank you for the thorough response. I’ll try to respond, but I’m on my phone and not very adept at that.
I suspect many of our concerns align. It is what you mention toward the end (whether police officers make people feel safer) which is why I can’t support Elrich. His rhetoric, along with that of some council members, is that the police are actually the problem within the community. The Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations are written in a manner that assumes the police are a problem to be solved by politicians. It doesn’t take into account the fact we have a highly trained department that has held itself to higher standards than most. We have sent many officers to head other jurisdictions in large part because of MCPD’s long-standing reputation: recruiting strong candidates, training them well, regularly evaluating their performance, etc. Unfortunately, that’s not the current climate. It now seems to be low morale, understaffing, and a general sense that there’s no support from the council or county Exec. The result is a department that can no longer recruit. If we want to reform policing, you need to be able to selective with applicants. The last academy class had 12 officers, I believe, a far cry from the 50+ it used to be.
I was pulling for Blair because of some of the reasons you mention. His lack of public service is actually a plus to me, in a “it’s time for something new” sense. We need somebody who knows how to lead people. I trust that Blair would lean into experts, something that didn’t happen during the SRO debate. Experts, in this case the school administrators and others who intimately know the roles of SROs, were ignored. I am part of the school community. I feel safer with SROs in the building, a feeling many share. PGCPS did a survey and over 80% of community members supported keeping SROs. MCPS did no such survey.
Covid? I’m in agreement. He did a great job there. I know many will disagree, but I really appreciated Elrich’s work in that category.
Thank you again for that response!
Anonymous
08/08/2022 11:25
Subject: Elrich Wins
All you Elrich voters, make sure to call Elrich and not the police if your home gets broken into, or your child is getting the sh1t beat out of them. Elrich knows better than cops how to stop these criminals.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 11:16
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
I care about business and job growth, but those things aren’t at the very top of my list of priorities.
There are a lot of things about Blair that, for me, raise serious concerns, that weren’t allayed despite my efforts to get more specific information.
Do you care about public safety? Do you want a fully-staffed police force? Or is public safety also not on your list of priorities?
You seem to be much more interested in spewing out your own priorities than in genuinely being concerned about mine. Have at it.
And know that your ranting is the opposite of persuasive.
Public safety is everyone’s priority. Apart from criminals and people who support them such as yourself.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 11:14
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
I care about business and job growth, but those things aren’t at the very top of my list of priorities.
There are a lot of things about Blair that, for me, raise serious concerns, that weren’t allayed despite my efforts to get more specific information.
Do you care about public safety? Do you want a fully-staffed police force? Or is public safety also not on your list of priorities?
You seem to be much more interested in spewing out your own priorities than in genuinely being concerned about mine. Have at it.
And know that your ranting is the opposite of persuasive.
Safety is my priority, for me and for my entire community. I’m frustrated that our officials make decisions that put us at risk. That includes their call to reduce police staffing by 50% in Wheaton and Silver Spring, claiming those areas need reduced interactions with police. (Note that they don’t seem concerned about who will respond to crime in those areas.). Elrich also pulled SROs against the wishes of many.
You never actually said what your priorities are. (If you are the poster above, you claimed what they aren’t: business and job growth.) I probably care about your priorities, as well, or at least I can respect them. Can you do the same?
Yes I can, and I would have been more specific if you had asked — instead of emphasizing your own priorities. Honestly, I’m kind of tired. (Not of addressing this with you, PP, just with the current realities of politics.)
Safety is my number one priority. But it has to be acknowledged that “safety” doesn’t mean the same things for all of us in our community — whether that’s SROs, the behavior of police officers, health care and the way that COVID and other public health issues are handled, gun violence, domestic violence, or other things that affect our well-being as individuals and as communities. My Safety list clearly overlaps with Health, and Education. I have priorities as well, but Safety, Health, and Education are broad enough to cover quite a lot of my concerns.
I voted for Elrich in large part because I’m comfortable with the way that our county handled COVID — a novel, communicable, potentially fatal or disabling disease that has decimated my community. I’m uncomfortable with Blair for a variety of reasons— including his background, his lack of specifics in the materials that his campaign provided, his self-funded campaign, and a brief personal interaction with him. One of the questions I have about Blair’s background is his lack of public service —including the way he spent his time between elections, and general questions about what it is that he wants so much that he’s willing to spend quite a lot of his own money to get it.
I, too, am frustrated that our officials make decisions that put us at risk.
I’ll add that I’m not anti-police, and have had both personal and professional relationships with many police officers. The presence of police officers, though, without making explicit statements about training, recruiting, and codes of conduct, doesn’t make me or some of the communities that I am a part of “safer”.
If you’re genuinely interested in seriously discussing these types of issues, I’m open to doing so —perhaps in a dedicated thread. I’ll even use a pseudonym to make it easier to follow the thread.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 10:43
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
I care about business and job growth, but those things aren’t at the very top of my list of priorities.
There are a lot of things about Blair that, for me, raise serious concerns, that weren’t allayed despite my efforts to get more specific information.
Do you care about public safety? Do you want a fully-staffed police force? Or is public safety also not on your list of priorities?
You seem to be much more interested in spewing out your own priorities than in genuinely being concerned about mine. Have at it.
And know that your ranting is the opposite of persuasive.
Safety is my priority, for me and for my entire community. I’m frustrated that our officials make decisions that put us at risk. That includes their call to reduce police staffing by 50% in Wheaton and Silver Spring, claiming those areas need reduced interactions with police. (Note that they don’t seem concerned about who will respond to crime in those areas.). Elrich also pulled SROs against the wishes of many.
You never actually said what your priorities are. (If you are the poster above, you claimed what they aren’t: business and job growth.) I probably care about your priorities, as well, or at least I can respect them. Can you do the same?
Anonymous
08/08/2022 10:26
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
They don't care about that. At all. They want higher minimum wage, no police, racial equity, and to solve the world problem of climate change right here in 20850.
IME Elrich voters also skew older, so economic viability is less of an issue for them. They were thrilled that things like libraries were closed longer than necessary in the name of Covid safety.
Don’t they care about public safety? The police department is depleting.
Not if it hasn’t directly affected them yet.
It blows my mind that any parent with a child would vote for him. He supported the removal of SROs in schools.
He didn’t just support it. He unilaterally pulled them out. And as far as I am concerned, Dre’s blood is on Elrich’s hands. Magruder shooting.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 10:26
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
I care about business and job growth, but those things aren’t at the very top of my list of priorities.
There are a lot of things about Blair that, for me, raise serious concerns, that weren’t allayed despite my efforts to get more specific information.
Do you care about public safety? Do you want a fully-staffed police force? Or is public safety also not on your list of priorities?
You seem to be much more interested in spewing out your own priorities than in genuinely being concerned about mine. Have at it.
And know that your ranting is the opposite of persuasive.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 10:08
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
They don't care about that. At all. They want higher minimum wage, no police, racial equity, and to solve the world problem of climate change right here in 20850.
IME Elrich voters also skew older, so economic viability is less of an issue for them. They were thrilled that things like libraries were closed longer than necessary in the name of Covid safety.
Don’t they care about public safety? The police department is depleting.
Not if it hasn’t directly affected them yet.
It will. We can’t keep officers and we can’t attract new ones. It’s a recipe for disaster and we’ll all feel the impact, especially coupled with lax penalties for crime.
We had a great police department before Elrich, one that other departments used as a model. It’s a shell of what it was.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 10:02
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
They don't care about that. At all. They want higher minimum wage, no police, racial equity, and to solve the world problem of climate change right here in 20850.
IME Elrich voters also skew older, so economic viability is less of an issue for them. They were thrilled that things like libraries were closed longer than necessary in the name of Covid safety.
Don’t they care about public safety? The police department is depleting.
Not if it hasn’t directly affected them yet.
It blows my mind that any parent with a child would vote for him. He supported the removal of SROs in schools.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 09:52
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
They don't care about that. At all. They want higher minimum wage, no police, racial equity, and to solve the world problem of climate change right here in 20850.
IME Elrich voters also skew older, so economic viability is less of an issue for them. They were thrilled that things like libraries were closed longer than necessary in the name of Covid safety.
Don’t they care about public safety? The police department is depleting.
Not if it hasn’t directly affected them yet.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 09:30
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
They don't care about that. At all. They want higher minimum wage, no police, racial equity, and to solve the world problem of climate change right here in 20850.
IME Elrich voters also skew older, so economic viability is less of an issue for them. They were thrilled that things like libraries were closed longer than necessary in the name of Covid safety.
Don’t they care about public safety? The police department is depleting.
covid remains their#1 priority
Elrich was trash wrt covid.
Anonymous
08/08/2022 09:21
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
They don't care about that. At all. They want higher minimum wage, no police, racial equity, and to solve the world problem of climate change right here in 20850.
IME Elrich voters also skew older, so economic viability is less of an issue for them. They were thrilled that things like libraries were closed longer than necessary in the name of Covid safety.
Don’t they care about public safety? The police department is depleting.
covid remains their#1 priority
Anonymous
08/08/2022 09:16
Subject: Re:Elrich Wins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously..those who voted for Elrich..do you honestly think he is good for business and job growth? Whst has he done to prove this? Or do you not care about this?
They don't care about that. At all. They want higher minimum wage, no police, racial equity, and to solve the world problem of climate change right here in 20850.
IME Elrich voters also skew older, so economic viability is less of an issue for them. They were thrilled that things like libraries were closed longer than necessary in the name of Covid safety.
Don’t they care about public safety? The police department is depleting.