Anonymous wrote:My kid was there week 2 and said there was no religious elements. I asked about prayer and he said no they only ever did announcements.

I looked through the pictures and there are some girls wearing stuff pp said wasn't allowed so not sure what the deal was. When my kid went the temps were cool so most days folks wear sweatshirts.

Same here for a Week 5&6 camper. No prayers or religious overtones my kid picked up on. And when it was hot many pictures of people in tank tops.

My kid was there week 2 and said there was no religious elements. I asked about prayer and he said no they only ever did announcements.

I looked through the pictures and there are some girls wearing stuff pp said wasn't allowed so not sure what the deal was. When my kid went the temps were cool so most days folks wear sweatshirts.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a secular camp -- period. We would not be interested otherwise. Our experience this year has been great so far (kids are there currently, so we'll see, but judging by pictures and the communications Ive had with the camp. I believe the camp founders are still involved, but have brought on new directors. As a mom of a daughter who prefers skimpy bikinis, I'm glad they have a rule against them so I'm not the bad guy!

The dress code for girls was not just about swimwear. No tank tops, no crop tops, no shorts that show any, and I mean ANY of the stomach, so if your daughter has a long torso like ours she will get heavily monitored.

But boys were allowed to be shirtless, etc.

Was ridiculous.

Wow. That’s absurd. Between that and the “nondenominational prayer” being added to meals, I would reconsider sending my kids next summer.

What nondenominational prayer before meals? My kid just spent two weeks there and said there was nothing like that before meals? Was this earlier in the summer? Maybe they got push back and stopped? Or maybe my kid is just oblivious? 😂 we chose it because it was secular, so would appreciate knowing if there is anything religious.

My daughter was there at the beginning of the summer and similarly said there was definitely no prayer/discussion of religion at any point during her experience at the camp. (We’re religious/Christian so it wouldn’t have necessarily have bothered us personally if there was, but of course it’s something that needs to be clearly advertised up front)

I feel like some previous posters are bashing CHM with things that many campers just aren’t seeing or experiencing. Our camper had friends who wore tank tops when it was hot, sweatshirts when it was cold, without any comments from staff. There was no prayer before meals. Campers used they/them and it was no big deal. IDK why some campers might feel like they things were happening when others didn’t see them at all. Our kid had a great time at CHM this year. Loved the activities, especially the farm - which is really special, and how welcoming the staff was. Our kid is super excited to go back next year.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a secular camp -- period. We would not be interested otherwise. Our experience this year has been great so far (kids are there currently, so we'll see, but judging by pictures and the communications Ive had with the camp. I believe the camp founders are still involved, but have brought on new directors. As a mom of a daughter who prefers skimpy bikinis, I'm glad they have a rule against them so I'm not the bad guy!

The dress code for girls was not just about swimwear. No tank tops, no crop tops, no shorts that show any, and I mean ANY of the stomach, so if your daughter has a long torso like ours she will get heavily monitored.

But boys were allowed to be shirtless, etc.

Was ridiculous.

Wow. That’s absurd. Between that and the “nondenominational prayer” being added to meals, I would reconsider sending my kids next summer.

What nondenominational prayer before meals? My kid just spent two weeks there and said there was nothing like that before meals? Was this earlier in the summer? Maybe they got push back and stopped? Or maybe my kid is just oblivious? 😂 we chose it because it was secular, so would appreciate knowing if there is anything religious.

My daughter was there at the beginning of the summer and similarly said there was definitely no prayer/discussion of religion at any point during her experience at the camp. (We’re religious/Christian so it wouldn’t have necessarily have bothered us personally if there was, but of course it’s something that needs to be clearly advertised up front)

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Anonymous wrote:It's a secular camp -- period. We would not be interested otherwise. Our experience this year has been great so far (kids are there currently, so we'll see, but judging by pictures and the communications Ive had with the camp. I believe the camp founders are still involved, but have brought on new directors. As a mom of a daughter who prefers skimpy bikinis, I'm glad they have a rule against them so I'm not the bad guy!

The dress code for girls was not just about swimwear. No tank tops, no crop tops, no shorts that show any, and I mean ANY of the stomach, so if your daughter has a long torso like ours she will get heavily monitored.

But boys were allowed to be shirtless, etc.

Was ridiculous.

Wow. That’s absurd. Between that and the “nondenominational prayer” being added to meals, I would reconsider sending my kids next summer.

What nondenominational prayer before meals? My kid just spent two weeks there and said there was nothing like that before meals? Was this earlier in the summer? Maybe they got push back and stopped? Or maybe my kid is just oblivious? 😂 we chose it because it was secular, so would appreciate knowing if there is anything religious.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a secular camp -- period. We would not be interested otherwise. Our experience this year has been great so far (kids are there currently, so we'll see, but judging by pictures and the communications Ive had with the camp. I believe the camp founders are still involved, but have brought on new directors. As a mom of a daughter who prefers skimpy bikinis, I'm glad they have a rule against them so I'm not the bad guy!

The dress code for girls was not just about swimwear. No tank tops, no crop tops, no shorts that show any, and I mean ANY of the stomach, so if your daughter has a long torso like ours she will get heavily monitored.

But boys were allowed to be shirtless, etc.

Was ridiculous.

Wow. That’s absurd. Between that and the “nondenominational prayer” being added to meals, I would reconsider sending my kids next summer.

Anonymous wrote:People- if you are hellbent on preventing covid at all costs, then do not send your kid to camp.

The. End.

You know it doesn’t make it “The.End.” just because you type your opinion, right?

Anonymous wrote:Thats interesting about the tank tops. My girl loves skimpy clothes and we always battle over it. I went to a private school with a dress code and come from a culture where girls dress more conservatively. I half admire her spirit in pushing back and am also grateful the camp is setting some limits. In pictures it looks like she borrowed clothes from friends.

Tank tops are skimpy? WTAF is wrong with people. Tank tops are appropriate for toddlers, preschoolers, children, tweens, teens, adults, seniors. ANYONE. Tank tops. I wear them when it's hot outside, when I work out, by themselves, under a jacket, under a sweater as a layer. TANK TOPS.

I cannot comprehend WTF is wrong with wearing a tank top and why that should ever, EVER, be policed. Tank tops with spaghetti straps, ribbed, razor backs, crew neck, with the super large arm holes, etc.

Are you upset just about tank tops on girls? What about on boys?

I know of one camper who was told she couldn't wear tank tops because it made her chest look too big so it was "indecent". This is a 14/15 year old girl, who has an F cup. Anything she wears makes her chest look big because she's big chested, that's how she's built. I cannot imagine how she must have felt hearing that and being shamed.

Over a tank top.

Thats interesting about the tank tops. My girl loves skimpy clothes and we always battle over it. I went to a private school with a dress code and come from a culture where girls dress more conservatively. I half admire her spirit in pushing back and am also grateful the camp is setting some limits. In pictures it looks like she borrowed clothes from friends.

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, my kid came home from 2 weeks at CHM with a nasty cough and explained that it was the "cold that was going around." I was extremely skeptical but all rapid and PCR tests wound up negative. Sometimes a cold is just a cold?

Yep. My kid came back from another camp last year with a nasty cold that she said it seemed like everyone in her unit, including counselors, had gotten. But they tested everyone, and never had any Covid positives. We did two PCRs and rapid-tested every day for the week after she returned, too, just in case.

Given how the camp handled an actual Covid outbreak this year, I’m confident what my kid had was really just a “camp cold.”

OP, the lesson learned is that you don't plan trips to see high risk family after sleep away camp for at least 2 weeks when you are worried about something like COVID or whatever the next illness is going to be. There is a 10 day window that you want to be able to observe your kids before heading off to see anyone high risk, build that into the schedule next time.

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Anonymous wrote:They haven’t communicated to parents that there is an outbreak? That’s pretty irresponsible. I know of two camps this summer that had significant outbreaks and they were great at keeping parents informed.

What difference would it make, really? High risk kids aren't going to sleep away camp.

For families like OP who will be visiting high risk people just after camp.

Then she shouldn’t be visiting high risk people. It’s not like your kids have to go to sleep away camp.

Op wether there is an outbreak or not, if you were worried about covid and grandparents, seeing them the week after your kid is with hundreds of other kids in an indoor setting was a really stupid idea. I guarantee at least one person at each camp has covid even with testing three days before and rapid when you arrive. One will be percolating.

I love these reports of campers pushing back against sexist rules and religious discrimination. The kids are alright.

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Anonymous wrote:They haven’t communicated to parents that there is an outbreak? That’s pretty irresponsible. I know of two camps this summer that had significant outbreaks and they were great at keeping parents informed.

What difference would it make, really? High risk kids aren't going to sleep away camp.

For families like OP who will be visiting high risk people just after camp.

As well as those who might return home to a high risk household member or the week after return attend a day program with high risk kids.