Anonymous
Post 08/05/2022 12:18     Subject: Re:When you say you lost weight through low carb….

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for advise about eggs. Eggs should also help with my vitamin D deficiency, right? However, they may raise my LDL cholesterol - or not?

Eat fatty fish like salmon and tuna for D. Egg yolks have some, but less, and if you’re not buying the pastured kind there’s probably no vitamin D at all.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2022 10:26     Subject: Re:When you say you lost weight through low carb….

To answer OP (sort of): a lot of ppl lose on keto for two reasons. Increased insulin sensitivity and ingesting fewer calories. It’s not however particularly healthy . Most longevity research favors a plant based pescatarian diet for overall health (which shockingly is not the same thing as weight, through there a correlation) if you can control your insulin production via reduction in high glycemic foods, less frequent eating and increase your fiber intake via diversity of plants, (particularly for gut health), switch to healthier fats (avoid inflammatory oils) and keep animal products lower , keep active daily but it can be moderate , then this is generally for most people a recipe for health span. So yes carbs are not the devil
but the right carbs. And you don’t need to load up on protein to make up for it. I used to eat a ton of protein but in fact I think it can adverse impacts long term (so you really want to stimulate growth all the same? Same growth factor that builds muscle feeds tumor growth). By the way the centenarians around the world war like this, exercise and get good sleep. One addendum is also that we all have different (and changeable) microbiomes which impact how we react to different foods. So this is both why some people do better in some diets than others .. BUT the way to create a healthy micro biome with advantageous microbes for metabolic and other kinds of health seems to be by eating lots of plants, some fermented stuff.’ and avoiding processed fats, sugars and starches. This is my bigggest issue with super keto /carnivore diets.
Once I started reading about longevity, science backed research on healthspan I shifted my focus from weight to health. I feel better than I have In a couple years and am happy with my smack in mid range of normal
BMI.


Op here - thank you for this thoughtful post. I’m definitely at the stage of life where I’m focused on feeling healthy and strong. I’m not striving to be super skinny and am only 10 or so lbs over a comfortable weight for me. Maybe it’s more the bloat I’m contending with that’s uncomfortable. Sounds like I need to read more about gut health and inflammation.
Could you direct me some of the resources you’ve read?


Gladly! I actually started down this path because of ongoing GI issues: low absorption of nutrients (chronic low ferritin, and other blood markers); endless bloating and burping, signs of gut inflammation (blood/mucus in stools, etc). Without going too far down the rabbit hole of IBS, gut/brain microbiome, etc....I ended up listening to a variety of podcass by Rhonda Patrick (Found my Fitness) and reading/learning about research by Valter Longo (USC), Dr. Andrew Huberman(yale), Dr. David Sinclair, Peter Attia, Satchin Panda, Matthew Walker (the Slee p Guru) Steven Gundry. While I dont subscirbe to everythign they say/do/recommend and there are differences of opinion between these researchers, the overall commonalities they share are the following: metabolic dysfunction is a result of a terrible western diet of sugars, inflammatory oils, etc. This changes the gut microbiome in profound ways and the gut microbiome regulates everything from cardiometabolic health to emotional wellness (feel good brain chemicals are produced in the gut!). what these researchers tend to share is the folowing: some form of time restricted eating, with many supporting occasional extended fasts for health reasons; high fiber, plant rich, polyphenol rich diet with omegas; low intake of highly processed foods; the importance of sleep and the importance of exercise. Protein requirements seem to be a debate, but overall studies suggest that high animal protein diet is linked to lower lifespan.

I spent a lot of time listening to these podcasts while walking and it has slowly changed everything for me and my family. We eat more vegetables, I eat more nuts and avocadoes (which used to hurt my stomach); I add prebiotic fiber (tasteless) to my am coffee. We eat more legumes than we used to (hummus, blackbean soup, etc) . I switched regular bread for occasional real, high quality sourdough (because fermenetation and its delicious) and whole wheat pasta for white. I don't diet, but I do do IF and occasionally short "fasting mimickingdiet/lowcalories'protein fasts, once every 3/4 months). I tried to take walks after dinner and not eat right before bed. I don't rule anything out, but as I've moved toward a high fiber, high plant, high monounsaturated fat diet, I have found my tastes really have changed. Basically, to sum it up, a whole foods diet prioritizing fish as an animal protein (butI do eat cheese, dairy, chicken and beef, just not daily, I drink red wine and occasionally white but no sweet cocktails unless its super special); moderate exercise, sleep, and I take a couple supplements (iron, probiotics/prebiotics, berberine and omegas). I lost my stomach bloat and fat (esp after my 3rd short fast), sleep better, and my digestive issues are resolved (although I had to go slow on all the fiber at first). Most of all, it seems sustainable, do-able in social and work travel situations, and reasonable.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2022 09:19     Subject: Re:When you say you lost weight through low carb….

Anonymous wrote:To answer OP (sort of): a lot of ppl lose on keto for two reasons. Increased insulin sensitivity and ingesting fewer calories. It’s not however particularly healthy . Most longevity research favors a plant based pescatarian diet for overall health (which shockingly is not the same thing as weight, through there a correlation) if you can control your insulin production via reduction in high glycemic foods, less frequent eating and increase your fiber intake via diversity of plants, (particularly for gut health), switch to healthier fats (avoid inflammatory oils) and keep animal products lower , keep active daily but it can be moderate , then this is generally for most people a recipe for health span. So yes carbs are not the devil
but the right carbs. And you don’t need to load up on protein to make up for it. I used to eat a ton of protein but in fact I think it can adverse impacts long term (so you really want to stimulate growth all the same? Same growth factor that builds muscle feeds tumor growth). By the way the centenarians around the world war like this, exercise and get good sleep. One addendum is also that we all have different (and changeable) microbiomes which impact how we react to different foods. So this is both why some people do better in some diets than others .. BUT the way to create a healthy micro biome with advantageous microbes for metabolic and other kinds of health seems to be by eating lots of plants, some fermented stuff.’ and avoiding processed fats, sugars and starches. This is my bigggest issue with super keto /carnivore diets.
Once I started reading about longevity, science backed research on healthspan I shifted my focus from weight to health. I feel better than I have In a couple years and am happy with my smack in mid range of normal
BMI.


Op here - thank you for this thoughtful post. I’m definitely at the stage of life where I’m focused on feeling healthy and strong. I’m not striving to be super skinny and am only 10 or so lbs over a comfortable weight for me. Maybe it’s more the bloat I’m contending with that’s uncomfortable. Sounds like I need to read more about gut health and inflammation.
Could you direct me some of the resources you’ve read?
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2022 08:53     Subject: Re:When you say you lost weight through low carb….

To answer OP (sort of): a lot of ppl lose on keto for two reasons. Increased insulin sensitivity and ingesting fewer calories. It’s not however particularly healthy . Most longevity research favors a plant based pescatarian diet for overall health (which shockingly is not the same thing as weight, through there a correlation) if you can control your insulin production via reduction in high glycemic foods, less frequent eating and increase your fiber intake via diversity of plants, (particularly for gut health), switch to healthier fats (avoid inflammatory oils) and keep animal products lower , keep active daily but it can be moderate , then this is generally for most people a recipe for health span. So yes carbs are not the devil
but the right carbs. And you don’t need to load up on protein to make up for it. I used to eat a ton of protein but in fact I think it can adverse impacts long term (so you really want to stimulate growth all the same? Same growth factor that builds muscle feeds tumor growth). By the way the centenarians around the world war like this, exercise and get good sleep. One addendum is also that we all have different (and changeable) microbiomes which impact how we react to different foods. So this is both why some people do better in some diets than others .. BUT the way to create a healthy micro biome with advantageous microbes for metabolic and other kinds of health seems to be by eating lots of plants, some fermented stuff.’ and avoiding processed fats, sugars and starches. This is my bigggest issue with super keto /carnivore diets.
Once I started reading about longevity, science backed research on healthspan I shifted my focus from weight to health. I feel better than I have In a couple years and am happy with my smack in mid range of normal
BMI.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2022 08:35     Subject: When you say you lost weight through low carb….

I recently lost 30 pounds in two months on a strict low carb diet, then started allowing myself weekends "off" and have maintained the loss for the last several months. A low carb diet for me isn't sustainable 24/7/365. But knowing that I can indulge on weekends makes it work.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2022 08:17     Subject: Re:When you say you lost weight through low carb….

Thanks for advise about eggs. Eggs should also help with my vitamin D deficiency, right? However, they may raise my LDL cholesterol - or not?
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2022 17:25     Subject: Re:When you say you lost weight through low carb….

Anonymous wrote:New poster here. For health reasons, I have to lose 20 pds, 53 yr old female, overweight but not obese. I do not think it is realistic since I was 20 pds less like 15 yrs ago, but i can tell you that cutting calories and most importantly, carbs (I am using an App when you log in food) seem to work since I am losing a pound a week slowly but surely. Today is exactly 4 weeks and 4 pds are gone. The thing is, we do not realize that we are overeating a LOT every single meal. My portions now are 1/3 of what they used to be, no bread (except a slice if seeduction or similar bread), no rice, no pasta or potatoes, but I seem to still consume around 120-150 carbs every day with veggies and a bit of dark chocolate. Imagine how much we consume when not counting! It could be 400 easy every day, and it is slowly killing us. I am starving most of time but I will keep doing it, because guess what, I sleep better, I feel better, and my anxiety is almost gone. I do think I was grossly overeating, so maybe the rest of you are not. I never ate chips and other processed stuff, just large amounts of fruits, potatoes, chicken and basically everything.


Add some eggs, hard boiled are fine. I don’t know what it is about eggs but I am never hungry when I eat eggs even if I eat very little else. They don’t add many calories so you can probably add them onto whatever you are eating.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2022 16:22     Subject: When you say you lost weight through low carb….

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What makes you think that potato and broccoli won't work today?


Low fat or low carb pick one

What? I don't get what you mean? I am not picking anything, just eating in moderation. Potato is not high in calories, unless you drench them in oil.


Potato and broccoli are low fat, that’s a low fat diet.[/quo
Are you making sweeping decisions about my eating habits based on my lunch today? I guess all tha sausage I had on the weekend makes me have one diet one day, next day something else. How disordered!


OP here - this thread cracks me up with how it goes off the rails, DCUM-style. Never meant to start a debate, but DCUM is gonna DCUM.

I originally made the statement about eating a potato and broccoli. Basically ate that for dinner every night in my early 20's -- and yes I was following a low fat diet. Ding ding! It was the age of Snackwells. I was super skinny living off of that, salads and baked ramen noodles. Did I mention it was also the "I am very broke and any extra dollar is going to buying overpriced vodka tonics at 18th Street Lounge" diet??

Anyhoo, my stomach has changed and what works has changed. I don't feel great if I eat an entire baked potato these days. I swear I've become my mother.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2022 16:15     Subject: Re:When you say you lost weight through low carb….

New poster here. For health reasons, I have to lose 20 pds, 53 yr old female, overweight but not obese. I do not think it is realistic since I was 20 pds less like 15 yrs ago, but i can tell you that cutting calories and most importantly, carbs (I am using an App when you log in food) seem to work since I am losing a pound a week slowly but surely. Today is exactly 4 weeks and 4 pds are gone. The thing is, we do not realize that we are overeating a LOT every single meal. My portions now are 1/3 of what they used to be, no bread (except a slice if seeduction or similar bread), no rice, no pasta or potatoes, but I seem to still consume around 120-150 carbs every day with veggies and a bit of dark chocolate. Imagine how much we consume when not counting! It could be 400 easy every day, and it is slowly killing us. I am starving most of time but I will keep doing it, because guess what, I sleep better, I feel better, and my anxiety is almost gone. I do think I was grossly overeating, so maybe the rest of you are not. I never ate chips and other processed stuff, just large amounts of fruits, potatoes, chicken and basically everything.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2022 15:31     Subject: When you say you lost weight through low carb….

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What makes you think that potato and broccoli won't work today?


Low fat or low carb pick one

What? I don't get what you mean? I am not picking anything, just eating in moderation. Potato is not high in calories, unless you drench them in oil.


Potato and broccoli are low fat, that’s a low fat diet.[/quo
Are you making sweeping decisions about my eating habits based on my lunch today? I guess all tha sausage I had on the weekend makes me have one diet one day, next day something else. How disordered!
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2022 14:24     Subject: When you say you lost weight through low carb….

For me, what works is minimizing highly processed foods, never eating a carb without a protein, and eating whole grains rather than "white" grains as much as possible. I don't restrict fruits or vegetables of any kind. I cut down on alcohol consumption to no more than a glass of wine a night. When I'm eating like that, I naturally eat fewer carbs, and I have more energy, too. But I don't really eliminate food groups or categories, either.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2022 14:00     Subject: When you say you lost weight through low carb….

Anonymous wrote:I'm a poster who talked in here about going low carb but using the test strips to figure out if you were in ketosis -- I thought doing that WAS doing low carb? When I read the Atkins diet book like 20 years ago, it talked about ketosis.

I don't count calories or anything like that but eat a high-protein diet with low-carb veg, not much added carbs. Only starting to exercise (walks!) a little more now that 75 lbs came off after about a year and I'm in the "just overweight" category and my body feels better.

Being in ketosis is induction in the Atkins diet.

I really enjoy how I feel when I’m counting carbs but my god my addiction to sugar and naughty carbs (homemade bread and anything potatoes, basically. Not the worse carbs in the world, but definitely not great for the blood sugar of a fat person) is unreal. Every so often I can make some strides but yikes.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2022 13:49     Subject: When you say you lost weight through low carb….

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can’t believe people are eliminating fruits and vegetables due to carb content. Avoiding white flour/low quality grain, refined sugars, sure. But to not eat a carrot because of carbs is wacko


Unless you have a pre-disposal to or have already developed insulin resistance.

I wonder if those who are saying they could only lose weight by vigorously scrubbing their diet of carbs are really below their natural weight. I am 5'2, 125lbs, and my labs are good. I got here by reducing my intake of simple carbs; when I was just eating all the carbs in front of my face, I weighed 140. But I could get smaller than 125 by cutting out even more carbs, and if I wanted to be 105 it would probably be accurate to say I could only get there by cutting out almost all carbs.


No. I was obese and it was the carb cutting that worked for me. Might be different for other people. Like the poster below, I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that different bodies might work in different ways.

Must be our Fung and Berg aficionado! You do know Berg belong to scientology and is an abusive POS? Lies all the time, and is evil.


I'm PP carb cutter above and I have no idea what you're talking about. Please try to maintain a grasp on reality when posting here and perhaps in general.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2022 13:45     Subject: When you say you lost weight through low carb….

I'm a poster who talked in here about going low carb but using the test strips to figure out if you were in ketosis -- I thought doing that WAS doing low carb? When I read the Atkins diet book like 20 years ago, it talked about ketosis.

I don't count calories or anything like that but eat a high-protein diet with low-carb veg, not much added carbs. Only starting to exercise (walks!) a little more now that 75 lbs came off after about a year and I'm in the "just overweight" category and my body feels better.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2022 13:01     Subject: When you say you lost weight through low carb….

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What makes you think that potato and broccoli won't work today?


Low fat or low carb pick one

What? I don't get what you mean? I am not picking anything, just eating in moderation. Potato is not high in calories, unless you drench them in oil.


Potato and broccoli are low fat, that’s a low fat diet.