Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 23:27     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! Funniest thing I've heard all summer.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 22:14     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.


With jokers like this in public, I am so glad I am going private
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 22:00     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
I just feel this is a publicity stunt. Doubt they would get more than a few dozen and most would quit after a year if not sooner. Being in the military has nothing to do with being an educator.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 21:59     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Why the military. Why? What is so special about the military? I don't "get it"

Can someone explain the thinking. Even if I don't agree, I want to know --- what are they thinking?
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 21:13     Subject: Re:Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Have they actually gotten any takers?
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 19:40     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is the veteran or spouse of a veteran important?


Veteran preference is a common hiring practice in many fields. One, we owe them, and two, experience shows that military experience has been an excellent foundation for success in many occupations.


Disagree that we owe them and disagree that they have success in many occupations. I've found that vets are very regimented and don't have great creative thinking skills. As managers they were incredibly micromanaging, wanting people to sign in/sign out, provide lists of what you've done at the end of every day, etc.


I was just going to write the same.


Yes, the military does not go with the flow. It's not a bad thing but for teaching children I don't think it an asset.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 19:30     Subject: Re:Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
The qualities needed in a good ES teacher are perseverance and the ability to make 1000+ decisions every day. It’s flat-out exhausting which is why most people quit. Those are the basics. If someone has those qualities, they can be taught the pedagogy. It’s like being a parent. You have no idea what it will be like until you do it.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 19:24     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is the veteran or spouse of a veteran important?


Exactly? They are a veteran. So what?


Less likely to be openly gay or trans.


Why would being openly gay or trans be a problem? Better than than a jarhead.


Because conservatives like DeSantis are reinvigorating the idea that LGBT people are pedophiles and groomers to try to win the culture war.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 19:23     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.


UMM NO. Literally the opposite. I would rather have a crap teacher for my kids in HS vs K-3. K-3 is where the joy or hate for school starts. They are teaching kids how to read. The cornerstone of everything else. You can teach yourself almost anything now- as long as you have access to internet and books, you can read, and you have reading comprehension skills.

I would love to go into teaching and have a bachelors plus a few graduate courses but the transition is too difficult in MD. There are not simple pathways into classrooms. I even worked as a mentor for HS kids in AmeriCorps. Make teaching more desirable as an occupation and have it be respected versus this crap.



NP here. I agree with you. But despite the emphasis others have placed on early childhood development education, I can tell you that there are many people who have education degrees and early childhood development training that don't have the temperament or personality to be good ES teachers. There are others who don't have the education that do. Personality and temperament are more important at the ES level to be an effective teacher than college education and training.

I'm not judging the veteran's placement program either way, but I think for ES teaching, the person and their teaching and personality skills are more important than the education.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 19:20     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is the veteran or spouse of a veteran important?


Exactly? They are a veteran. So what?


Less likely to be openly gay or trans.


Why would being openly gay or trans be a problem? Better than than a jarhead.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 19:14     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is the veteran or spouse of a veteran important?


Exactly? They are a veteran. So what?


Less likely to be openly gay or trans.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 18:57     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.


UMM NO. Literally the opposite. I would rather have a crap teacher for my kids in HS vs K-3. K-3 is where the joy or hate for school starts. They are teaching kids how to read. The cornerstone of everything else. You can teach yourself almost anything now- as long as you have access to internet and books, you can read, and you have reading comprehension skills.

I would love to go into teaching and have a bachelors plus a few graduate courses but the transition is too difficult in MD. There are not simple pathways into classrooms. I even worked as a mentor for HS kids in AmeriCorps. Make teaching more desirable as an occupation and have it be respected versus this crap.



Not everyone can teach high level high school classes. I can teach my kid to read but I cannot teach them calculus
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 18:54     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is the veteran or spouse of a veteran important?


Veteran preference is a common hiring practice in many fields. One, we owe them, and two, experience shows that military experience has been an excellent foundation for success in many occupations.


Disagree that we owe them and disagree that they have success in many occupations. I've found that vets are very regimented and don't have great creative thinking skills. As managers they were incredibly micromanaging, wanting people to sign in/sign out, provide lists of what you've done at the end of every day, etc.


I was just going to write the same.


Same. It really depends on their educational level, where they were in the hierarchy, personality, etc.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 18:42     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.



But since 50% of all new teachers quit by year 5, it should indicate that this job is not for everyone.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2022 17:11     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.


UMM NO. Literally the opposite. I would rather have a crap teacher for my kids in HS vs K-3. K-3 is where the joy or hate for school starts. They are teaching kids how to read. The cornerstone of everything else. You can teach yourself almost anything now- as long as you have access to internet and books, you can read, and you have reading comprehension skills.

I would love to go into teaching and have a bachelors plus a few graduate courses but the transition is too difficult in MD. There are not simple pathways into classrooms. I even worked as a mentor for HS kids in AmeriCorps. Make teaching more desirable as an occupation and have it be respected versus this crap.