Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 16:14     Subject: Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Tesla doors cannot be opened from the outside by first responders in the event of a power loss resulting from an accident.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 16:13     Subject: Re:Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For those who think EV doesn’t run on coal, you better rethink that! Just what do you think still powers our electrical grid. An electric grid which could never support every American driving an EV.


You realize that the situation is far more complex and nuanced. V2G charging and other technology will be critical and we have another 5-10 years to build out charging infrastructure and renewables for ebalancing the grid, not to mention achieving much more substantial energy conservation in other sectors.


Gotta vote out Manchin from WVA and get someone elected who is not owned by the coal industry.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 16:11     Subject: Re:Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For those who think EV doesn’t run on coal, you better rethink that! Just what do you think still powers our electrical grid. An electric grid which could never support every American driving an EV.


+1. Only a fraction of the electricity made in the US is from renewable sources. Most US electricity is generated from natural gas, nuclear energy, coal, and petroleum. I wouldn’t spend extra money to get an electric car that essentially runs on fossil fuel and has an expensive battery that will make the car a junk heap. I don’t think this is better for the environment. It’s for rich liberals to broadcast that they “care” about the environment.


Lol 60% of the grid production in the US is fossil fuels generated and only 21% of that is coal. Natural Gas accounts for 39% of the power production and releases 50% less carbon vs coal. Nuclear 19% and renewables 20%(oh looks there is is the same as coal). Driving an EV reduces emissions by 75% vs GV but it depends on your mpg.

Now the real reason why EVs will dominate the market is they are extremely fun to drive- fast, quick and quite plus little maintenance(just tires and bakes). You are one of those foolish conservatives who has never driven an EV because of your political beliefs. Man live your life and stop worrying about owning the libs.

EVs are totally superior to GV. A friend has a Porsche GV and an EV. He and his wife fight about driving the EV because it is quicker and more fun to drive. He does not give a sh#t about the environment or emissions. He has already told me his next Porsche will be an EV. The f150 has already changed the industry. EVs are not just for the rich. Adopt or die.


Agree with some of this, but even buying a new EV or GV vehicle every few years is not necessarily earth friendly. Are EVs and GVs equally “recyclable”? Are their components obtained in an equally environmentally detrimental/friendly way? Is nickel mining better than oil drilling?

All that aside the one downside of EVs that concerns me is what happens when the battery dies while you’re on the road. Scary in GVs too but I’ve heard that you cannot coast to the side of the road. Why is there no neutral gear equivalent in EV design? Seems like this should be doable. Is there some benefit of not having that ability (to coast when the car is off) that I’m missing?


that's all part of innovation - those things will come in time. Just like the GVs, there's a breakthrough in design, concept, tech. every few years. Did the lack of relative innovation prevent you from buying a GV 15-20 years ago? Probably not.

Consider the current "fleet of EVs" as 2nd generation (Prius' and the like being 1st generation). The difference is night and day. With all the new entrants into the market, and with time, space and resources to continue to refine, the manufacturers will figure out all these things.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 16:08     Subject: Re:Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:Would not want a trip to South Carolina to be a 3 day journey vs 8 hours.


in my Tesla, we drove to HH from Arlington in a little more than 10 hours - included a major traffic delay near Richmond. The drive back was 9 hrs 25 minutes.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 16:06     Subject: Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:I have only one car, so I need to know I can take it on longer trips and be able to charge it. We’re not there yet.


This, plus we don't have a garage.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 16:05     Subject: Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maintenance costs, repair costs, reliability in extreme temperatures, dependence on electricity.


This surprises me, unless you saying these costs are too low?


and the dependence on foreign oil/extractive industries is perfectly legit? you must also have the same logic that buying American made products is the only way to go but you will never want to pay more than $50 for a pair of blue jeans, right? It's all good so long as you never see the pictures of the women and kids in the sweatshop sewing the clothes you buy at the Gap, Old Navy, etc.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 11:27     Subject: Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Only having street parking. No driveway. Even if I installed a charging station in front of my house sometimes I can’t get that parking spot.


Similar issue - I live in a TH community and have reserved parking but no driveway/garage. Our community has no charging stations. I plan to relocate in 5 years and would consider an EV at that point. My Subaru is only 3 years old with less than 50k miles. It should have no issue lasting 5 years.


Yep. Same - though with houses. NWDC. And I'm not running a damn power cord across the sidewalk, either.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 11:22     Subject: Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:For me it is two things:

The lack of infrastructure as far as charging stations for someone who drives long distances

How slow it takes to charge an EV versus how quickly I can fill up my car.


It’s too bad they can’t add solar panels and some kind of wind generator system to help recharge the battery and extend mileage.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 07:35     Subject: Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:Batteries cost more than the value of the car AND discontinued. Obviously it’s not all EV’s but…

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/florida-family-electric-car-problem-replacement-battery-costs-more-vehicle


Ford Focus electric was a unicorn car. It was an experiment from day 1 designed to pilot a few BEV concepts. You have to be very careful buying any sort of experimental platform car used or even new. CA has a few other experimental platform cars running around. The Focus electric hit production but was never designed for wide adaptation.

I hope that this family got support from Ford for whatever work needed to be done. I know that their local Ford dealer will not be able to do anything, but hopefully big Ford can figure this out.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 06:32     Subject: Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Batteries cost more than the value of the car AND discontinued. Obviously it’s not all EV’s but…

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/florida-family-electric-car-problem-replacement-battery-costs-more-vehicle
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 00:44     Subject: Re:Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For those who think EV doesn’t run on coal, you better rethink that! Just what do you think still powers our electrical grid. An electric grid which could never support every American driving an EV.


+1. Only a fraction of the electricity made in the US is from renewable sources. Most US electricity is generated from natural gas, nuclear energy, coal, and petroleum. I wouldn’t spend extra money to get an electric car that essentially runs on fossil fuel and has an expensive battery that will make the car a junk heap. I don’t think this is better for the environment. It’s for rich liberals to broadcast that they “care” about the environment.


Lol 60% of the grid production in the US is fossil fuels generated and only 21% of that is coal. Natural Gas accounts for 39% of the power production and releases 50% less carbon vs coal. Nuclear 19% and renewables 20%(oh looks there is is the same as coal). Driving an EV reduces emissions by 75% vs GV but it depends on your mpg.

Now the real reason why EVs will dominate the market is they are extremely fun to drive- fast, quick and quite plus little maintenance(just tires and bakes). You are one of those foolish conservatives who has never driven an EV because of your political beliefs. Man live your life and stop worrying about owning the libs.

EVs are totally superior to GV. A friend has a Porsche GV and an EV. He and his wife fight about driving the EV because it is quicker and more fun to drive. He does not give a sh#t about the environment or emissions. He has already told me his next Porsche will be an EV. The f150 has already changed the industry. EVs are not just for the rich. Adopt or die.


Agree with some of this, but even buying a new EV or GV vehicle every few years is not necessarily earth friendly. Are EVs and GVs equally “recyclable”? Are their components obtained in an equally environmentally detrimental/friendly way? Is nickel mining better than oil drilling?

All that aside the one downside of EVs that concerns me is what happens when the battery dies while you’re on the road. Scary in GVs too but I’ve heard that you cannot coast to the side of the road. Why is there no neutral gear equivalent in EV design? Seems like this should be doable. Is there some benefit of not having that ability (to coast when the car is off) that I’m missing?
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 22:34     Subject: Re:Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For those who think EV doesn’t run on coal, you better rethink that! Just what do you think still powers our electrical grid. An electric grid which could never support every American driving an EV.


+1. Only a fraction of the electricity made in the US is from renewable sources. Most US electricity is generated from natural gas, nuclear energy, coal, and petroleum. I wouldn’t spend extra money to get an electric car that essentially runs on fossil fuel and has an expensive battery that will make the car a junk heap. I don’t think this is better for the environment. It’s for rich liberals to broadcast that they “care” about the environment.


Lol 60% of the grid production in the US is fossil fuels generated and only 21% of that is coal. Natural Gas accounts for 39% of the power production and releases 50% less carbon vs coal. Nuclear 19% and renewables 20%(oh looks there is is the same as coal). Driving an EV reduces emissions by 75% vs GV but it depends on your mpg.

Now the real reason why EVs will dominate the market is they are extremely fun to drive- fast, quick and quite plus little maintenance(just tires and bakes). You are one of those foolish conservatives who has never driven an EV because of your political beliefs. Man live your life and stop worrying about owning the libs.

EVs are totally superior to GV. A friend has a Porsche GV and an EV. He and his wife fight about driving the EV because it is quicker and more fun to drive. He does not give a sh#t about the environment or emissions. He has already told me his next Porsche will be an EV. The f150 has already changed the industry. EVs are not just for the rich. Adopt or die.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 21:37     Subject: Re:Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Wasn’t going to chime in but I drive Tesla to SC regularly because my sister lives there. Charging on that trip (to Columbia) adds AT MOST around an hour and less if you would have stopped for lunch. Lots of superchargers on 95. More all the time. Don’t know where you get 3 days!
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 21:30     Subject: Re:Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Would not want a trip to South Carolina to be a 3 day journey vs 8 hours.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 21:21     Subject: Re:Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?
Anonymous wrote:For those who think EV doesn’t run on coal, you better rethink that! Just what do you think still powers our electrical grid. An electric grid which could never support every American driving an EV.


+1. Only a fraction of the electricity made in the US is from renewable sources. Most US electricity is generated from natural gas, nuclear energy, coal, and petroleum. I wouldn’t spend extra money to get an electric car that essentially runs on fossil fuel and has an expensive battery that will make the car a junk heap. I don’t think this is better for the environment. It’s for rich liberals to broadcast that they “care” about the environment.