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Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?

Never heard of it.

Guess I need to Google.

It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.

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Anonymous wrote:There are very few black teachers out there.

I might have had two total from K through grad school.

Almost exclusively white women through middle school. Mix of white men / women through HS. Mostly white men as professors in college.

Which does make one sorta think “hmm maybe the title of this thread is a lie”

Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?

Never heard of it.

Guess I need to Google.

Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?

Never heard of it.

Guess I need to Google.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?

Never heard of it.

Guess I need to Google.

Breeding ground for radical Christian fundamentalists who want this country to be a theocracy.

You sound like a bigot.

Anonymous wrote:Wait I read your link and I don't see your subject line claim supported: where does it say *URM* become teachers because they are less talented?

Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?

Never heard of it.

Guess I need to Google.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, the sad fact is and long has been that the teaching profession doesn't attract the nation's best and brightest. And the answer why it doesn't is obvious: low pay and lack of respect.

Public school isn’t and wasn’t ever about educating people — it’s government day care so mommy can work and slam daddy’s wages. Now you have two parents working full time instead of one for a lower quality of life overall, and the children are idiots given fake grades when they can’t read, write or do math anywhere near their grade level. And the teachers make $100K in comp a year and then retire to Florida in their 50s with a fat pension. Or double-dip and get two pensions.

Anonymous wrote:There are very few black teachers out there.

I might have had two total from K through grad school.

Almost exclusively white women through middle school. Mix of white men / women through HS. Mostly white men as professors in college.

Anonymous wrote:Look, the sad fact is and long has been that the teaching profession doesn't attract the nation's best and brightest. And the answer why it doesn't is obvious: low pay and lack of respect.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say that among doctoral programs, EdD's are generally less respected, in that the research requirement is less rigorous (their journals also tend to set a lower bar). This is true of many fields though (including Physical Therapy, Nursing, Management/Policy).

It is all relative.

Isn’t it interesting how these are all women dominated fields…. Hmm… what a coincidence!

+1. All of the hate on teachers is just the usual misogyny and devaluing of work that is more often done by women. There are plenty of male dominated fields which are not especially competitive which do not draw the same criticisms as teaching.

I (PP) was commenting on the rigor of different doctoral programs, not commenting on teaching as a field (most teachers never earn doctoral degrees).

Jobs traditionally held by women, including caregiving, are traditionally undervalued and under-rewarded. This is due to sexism but also the fact that capitalist nations value money/profit over people/social good (such as educating the next generation of citizens). I do not agree with this.

It’s not just “caregiving,” I see so many careers that just happen to become devalued as women become a majority/plurality. Look at physicians who are pediatricians/general practitioners. Magically, once these jobs became dominated by women, they became devalued. It’s like magic!

No sh#T Sherlock. This is widely documented. And your example is caregiving.

People who inject Botox make much more than people who test kids for strep throat. It is about valuing profits over children.

Why so rude? And no, being a physician was not considered “caregiving” when men were doing it.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is a teacher. She was valedictorian in high school. Graduated summa cum laude from both high school and college. National Merit Scholar. Full merit scholarship in college. Master of Education in Applied Behavior Analysis. She has many, many colleagues with similar stats. I doubt any of her parents know how brilliant she is. They just know she is a great teachers with a passion for helping children with autism become their highest and best selves. And she loves her kids so much.

This is wonderful and I'm sure she is a huge asset to the profession, but unfortunately, she and her colleagues are the exceptions, not the rule.

Just look at who majors in "elementary education" or the like at any state university in the country.

The thing is that states with good education systems generally have teachers major in their content area and then complete the licensure requirements. SO when you look at the backgrounds of education majors you are often looking at the weaker K-12 systems and the weaker students--not who represents the teachers. Many states the vast majority of teachers are not education majors in undergrad. So this is looking at a small distorted sample.

And then when you look at graduate school data, yes those who get master's in education are often somewhat lower than other fields in terms of GRE scores, but that's because everyone who wants to be a teacher typically has to get the master's whereas in other fields it's only those who are particularly interested in graduate school who are attending. The English major who gets a MA in literature because they want to do a PhD is different than the English major who gets an M.Ed. to get their teaching license and required master's.