Anonymous
07/07/2022 14:39
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Guess it's good all these folks hate vaccines and love home schooling, because there aren't going to be enough teachers to teach.
Guess risking their lives for peanuts for ungrateful parents didn't seem like such a good plan.
What’s the story in the DMV? High vaccination rates and run by Democrats.
According to this, 581 unfilled positions and 973 teachers leaving. In ONE school district.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1065574.page;jsessionid=3323C5FFB26D043D22C42F56D8BCD837.dcum1
Nothing to do with vaccines. The teachers I have talked to were burnt out from online learning and the students fell behind. They wanted to be in-classroom. These were middle age and younger though, not sure if older teachers felt the same.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 14:35
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.
Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.
No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.
Dear stupid cherry-picker: children have been required to have quite a number of vaccinations in order to attend public school for a long time now.
Take your weirdo MAGA nonsense elsewhere.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 14:20
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
It’s much more likely this had to do with housing prices.
We are in the cohort of people who moved from a blue state. Housing prices were a perk, but like every other major life decisions, there were a host of factors. The prime reason is that we believe it will benefit our kids to grow up in an environment different from the DC suburbs, and yes, the covid restrictions weighed heavily. Although the restrictions were lifted, it was very damaging to the youth and I worry they will suffer academically and emotionally for a long time.
Speak for your own kids. Many kids did fine or even great. Why should my kid suffer because other kids are slow or have no work ethic unless they have a teacher standing over them?
The data is quite clear, particularly for the elementary age level, that many kids did not and that there was significant learning loss. This is not even debatable at this stage of the game.
Good parents read and worked math problems and discussed lessons with their kids to compensate for the circumstances. Other parents spent all day complaining on social media.
You're so clearly a troll poster, it's ridic. ok.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 14:20
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unethical?
Would you want to be a teacher exposed to infected kids for 8 hours a day? THAT is unethical.
The latest science indicates vaccination has a very short lived effect on infection risk reduction, and I personally had no issue with masking which is really the better way to reduce infection (though again, not particularly with poor quality masking in kids, but high quality N95 style masking is effective and a concerned teacher absolutely should do that).
Ethically, there was strong concern about myocarditis in young boys and young men from both the CDC and FDA and a lot of back and forth about this particular concern prior to issuing EUA. Before you make any assumptions, I don't get my info from Foxnews or any news, I get my info from actually following the conversation and slides presented in the FDA and ACIP meetings and looking at the published research on myocarditis after vaccination. I was comfortable enough to vaccinate my child but decided to spread out his 1st and 2nd doses (based on guidance the CDC was too slow to adapt when there was great data supporting this as a risk mitigation method from Canada).
Bottom line, it's quite understandable that parents were hesitant to vaccinate kids, mandating before EUA was inappropriate, and also would contribute to inequity given some of the most distrustful populations are disadvantaged and at risk of even more learning loss if kicked out of schools.
There were a lot of democrats touting "follow the science" when they weren't actually reading the latest science.
*yawn*
Myocarditis hospitalizations and deaths were a smidge of a fraction of the kids ending up in ICU or dying due to COVID. I can't believe you clowns are still beating the myocarditis drum.
Recent data provided by the CDC suggests that among 100,000 vaccinated adolescent males, only about four to seven would be expected to develop post-vaccine myocarditis. If this group was not vaccinated, however, more than 5,500 would be likely to become infected with COVID-19 over a period of three months, with infections resulting in 50 hospitalizations, potential MIS-C, myocarditis and possible death. Recent surges in infections would only increase these risks in unvaccinated individuals.
Source: https://www.chop.edu/news/health-tip/myocarditis-and-covid-19-get-facts
So for every 100K vaccinated kids, maybe 5.5 would get post-vaccine myocardits vs. 50 unvaccinated kids hospitalized by COVID.
Gee, which is the bigger risk?
That's not the point - I agree it's worth the risk to vaccinate, that's why my kid got vaccinated and later boosted. But it absolutely was a difficult call for many parents to make to vaccinate right away that early, with much of the back and forth about myocarditis by even the top epidemiologists, prior to FDA full approval, with top experts in other countries coming to different conclusions for recommending vaccination for pediatric age groups. Also, if we're talking about wanting to vaccinate to reduce infection risk, that's a really short lived effect.
The point is the ethics of mandating vaccination prior to full FDA approval in pediatric patients. Sorry, not ethical to me, even though I was ok to make that choice for my own child. After full FDA approval, go on and go forth. Especially with socioeconomically disadvantaged children in families that are already vaccine hesitant, already suffering pandemic related learning loss and more, being required to do so to attend in person school. That, to me, was too far (not done in DC but in other school districts such as LA)
Anonymous
07/07/2022 14:04
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
It’s much more likely this had to do with housing prices.
We are in the cohort of people who moved from a blue state. Housing prices were a perk, but like every other major life decisions, there were a host of factors. The prime reason is that we believe it will benefit our kids to grow up in an environment different from the DC suburbs, and yes, the covid restrictions weighed heavily. Although the restrictions were lifted, it was very damaging to the youth and I worry they will suffer academically and emotionally for a long time.
Speak for your own kids. Many kids did fine or even great. Why should my kid suffer because other kids are slow or have no work ethic unless they have a teacher standing over them?
The data is quite clear, particularly for the elementary age level, that many kids did not and that there was significant learning loss. This is not even debatable at this stage of the game.
Good parents read and worked math problems and discussed lessons with their kids to compensate for the circumstances. Other parents spent all day complaining on social media.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 13:58
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unethical?
Would you want to be a teacher exposed to infected kids for 8 hours a day? THAT is unethical.
The latest science indicates vaccination has a very short lived effect on infection risk reduction, and I personally had no issue with masking which is really the better way to reduce infection (though again, not particularly with poor quality masking in kids, but high quality N95 style masking is effective and a concerned teacher absolutely should do that).
Ethically, there was strong concern about myocarditis in young boys and young men from both the CDC and FDA and a lot of back and forth about this particular concern prior to issuing EUA. Before you make any assumptions, I don't get my info from Foxnews or any news, I get my info from actually following the conversation and slides presented in the FDA and ACIP meetings and looking at the published research on myocarditis after vaccination. I was comfortable enough to vaccinate my child but decided to spread out his 1st and 2nd doses (based on guidance the CDC was too slow to adapt when there was great data supporting this as a risk mitigation method from Canada).
Bottom line, it's quite understandable that parents were hesitant to vaccinate kids, mandating before EUA was inappropriate, and also would contribute to inequity given some of the most distrustful populations are disadvantaged and at risk of even more learning loss if kicked out of schools.
There were a lot of democrats touting "follow the science" when they weren't actually reading the latest science.
*yawn*
Myocarditis hospitalizations and deaths were a smidge of a fraction of the kids ending up in ICU or dying due to COVID. I can't believe you clowns are still beating the myocarditis drum.
Recent data provided by the CDC suggests that among 100,000 vaccinated adolescent males, only about four to seven would be expected to develop post-vaccine myocarditis. If this group was not vaccinated, however, more than 5,500 would be likely to become infected with COVID-19 over a period of three months, with infections resulting in 50 hospitalizations, potential MIS-C, myocarditis and possible death. Recent surges in infections would only increase these risks in unvaccinated individuals.
Source: https://www.chop.edu/news/health-tip/myocarditis-and-covid-19-get-facts
So for every 100K vaccinated kids, maybe 5.5 would get post-vaccine myocardits vs. 50 unvaccinated kids hospitalized by COVID.
Gee, which is the bigger risk?
Anonymous
07/07/2022 13:55
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
It’s much more likely this had to do with housing prices.
We are in the cohort of people who moved from a blue state. Housing prices were a perk, but like every other major life decisions, there were a host of factors. The prime reason is that we believe it will benefit our kids to grow up in an environment different from the DC suburbs, and yes, the covid restrictions weighed heavily. Although the restrictions were lifted, it was very damaging to the youth and I worry they will suffer academically and emotionally for a long time.
Speak for your own kids. Many kids did fine or even great. Why should my kid suffer because other kids are slow or have no work ethic unless they have a teacher standing over them?
The data is quite clear, particularly for the elementary age level, that many kids did not and that there was significant learning loss. This is not even debatable at this stage of the game.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 13:53
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
It’s much more likely this had to do with housing prices.
We are in the cohort of people who moved from a blue state. Housing prices were a perk, but like every other major life decisions, there were a host of factors. The prime reason is that we believe it will benefit our kids to grow up in an environment different from the DC suburbs, and yes, the covid restrictions weighed heavily. Although the restrictions were lifted, it was very damaging to the youth and I worry they will suffer academically and emotionally for a long time.
Speak for your own kids. Many kids did fine or even great. Why should my kid suffer because other kids are slow or have no work ethic unless they have a teacher standing over them?
Anonymous
07/07/2022 13:47
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Unethical?
Would you want to be a teacher exposed to infected kids for 8 hours a day? THAT is unethical.
The latest science indicates vaccination has a very short lived effect on infection risk reduction, and I personally had no issue with masking which is really the better way to reduce infection (though again, not particularly with poor quality masking in kids, but high quality N95 style masking is effective and a concerned teacher absolutely should do that).
Ethically, there was strong concern about myocarditis in young boys and young men from both the CDC and FDA and a lot of back and forth about this particular concern prior to issuing EUA. Before you make any assumptions, I don't get my info from Foxnews or any news, I get my info from actually following the conversation and slides presented in the FDA and ACIP meetings and looking at the published research on myocarditis after vaccination. I was comfortable enough to vaccinate my child but decided to spread out his 1st and 2nd doses (based on guidance the CDC was too slow to adapt when there was great data supporting this as a risk mitigation method from Canada).
Bottom line, it's quite understandable that parents were hesitant to vaccinate kids, mandating before EUA was inappropriate, and also would contribute to inequity given some of the most distrustful populations are disadvantaged and at risk of even more learning loss if kicked out of schools.
There were a lot of democrats touting "follow the science" when they weren't actually reading the latest science.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 13:44
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Unethical?
Would you want to be a teacher exposed to infected kids for 8 hours a day? THAT is unethical.
^^^One reason teachers are leaving.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 13:36
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Unethical?
Would you want to be a teacher exposed to infected kids for 8 hours a day? THAT is unethical.
Would you want to be a teacher exposed to infected kids for 8 hours a day? THAT is unethical.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 13:32
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
Freedom???? Where have you been the past couple of weeks? There’s no freedom for any female capable of bearing children anymore in those states.
I’m pro-choice. Choosing to have or not have an abortion is something that may or may not affect me a few times in my (or my daughters’ lifetime).
What the Democrats did outweighed that by a million times. The Democrats took away my kids schools. The Democrats used the pandemic to take away so many of our freedoms. The Democrats took away people’s right to work with their bogus vaccine mandates. They Democrats (NYC) took away kid’s rights to do pretty much anything with an unethical vaccine mandate for kids age 5+. The Democrats pushed for travel restrictions and mask mandates.
Yes, that matter more to me because it affected every single individual in my family.
Are you a covid-hoaxer with all that smooth-brained clueless BS? Had we not done those things our death toll would have been far higher and the impacts far worse. And why are you even still nattering on about this? Schools were reopened long ago, the vaccines saved hundreds of thousands of lives and virtually all of the restrictions have been lifted. And for whatever bogus fears you have about the vaccines, after hundreds of millions of doses administered, the proven risk has been shown to be astronomically tiny, as in you'd have a magnitudes-of-order larger chance of some rare event like being struck by lightning than have any damaging side-effect from the vaccine.
NP, but I'm a healthcare worker who got vaccinated at first opportunity, got boosted, and has a vaccinated and boosted 8 year old.
However, I thought it was an ethical failure for school districts that mandated vaccinated prior to full FDA approval in children, particularly areas that mandated booster shots in children (young men). DC healthcare workers were not required to vaccinate until full FDA approval and the DC booster mandate that went into effect in the winter was (Very quietly, not reported in the news) later rescinded at the end of March in light of changing landscape of data on booster shots.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 13:29
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:
Guess it's good all these folks hate vaccines and love home schooling, because there aren't going to be enough teachers to teach.
Guess risking their lives for peanuts for ungrateful parents didn't seem like such a good plan.
What’s the story in the DMV? High vaccination rates and run by Democrats.
According to this, 581 unfilled positions and 973 teachers leaving. In ONE school district.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1065574.page;jsessionid=3323C5FFB26D043D22C42F56D8BCD837.dcum1
Anonymous
07/07/2022 13:27
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous
07/07/2022 13:22
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Guess it's good all these folks hate vaccines and love home schooling, because there aren't going to be enough teachers to teach.
Guess risking their lives for peanuts for ungrateful parents didn't seem like such a good plan.