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Anonymous wrote:These responses are almost all from women, with maybe an incel here and there.

Which makes it representative of the relationship forum.

Any DCUM Relationship thread that asks, "men, what do you think" will be answered primarily by women who will womensplain what men should think.

Women can incredible amounts of money and time on makeup and clothes, but even the dumbest man can easily imagine what you look like sans.

Being agreeable and feminine goes a long ways, but that's non-PC advice by DCUM standards.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that the reason why men don’t recommend too much makeup is because many American women don’t know how to do the make-up in the right (classy, feminine) way. Sometimes make-up makes women look angry if not done right. This is just my humble opinion (I am not an expert in this, just my observation). If you don’t agree, that’s fine. This is just one man’s opinion. For example, ladies in other countries do the make-up in a way that’s subtle (doesn’t look like make-up) but enhance overall attractiveness. Look up how South Korean ladies do their make-up. I am not advocating more make-up as I personally don’t like too much make-up.

Well Mr. Man, different areas of the world have different makeup styles. Women in America are not trying to make themselves look like white South Korean. You can just look up East v. West makeup.

Okay. How about comparing with ladies in Paris? I see ladies in LA or Manhattan do better job in their makeup. In most other cities including DC, do you really think that women (and men) have a good sense of fashion in general?

Ha, no, but that has nothing to do with whether Americans or South Koreans do makeup better. They’re just going for a different aesthetic. In DC I think women go for “look presentable with the least effort possible so that effort can be spent on my career instead.”

“Look presentable with the least effort possible” do you think that most people look presentable? How good are they? This requires skills. This is different than no makeup. You think that women in Paris don’t spend enough efforts on their career? OP asked for suggestions and I am just sharing my thoughts.

Well your “thought” was to suggest women look up an Asian makeup routine because Americans are bad at makeup. That’s a terrible suggestion, because South Korean makeup technique is different from the minimalist aesthetic you’re probably thinking of. The popular South Korean aesthetic is to make women look very young; doe-eyed, cutesy, etc. So sure, share your opinion, but this is the internet and people are going to push back.

And yeah I think DC women look “presentable” even if their makeup isn’t perfect. Sheesh. It’s super harsh for you to say women here generally don’t. I think you might be conflating presentable with what’s attractive to *you* specifically. It’s also odd for you to nitpick not just how much makeup somebody is wearing but how well it’s executed and critique the chosen aesthetic.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that the reason why men don’t recommend too much makeup is because many American women don’t know how to do the make-up in the right (classy, feminine) way. Sometimes make-up makes women look angry if not done right. This is just my humble opinion (I am not an expert in this, just my observation). If you don’t agree, that’s fine. This is just one man’s opinion. For example, ladies in other countries do the make-up in a way that’s subtle (doesn’t look like make-up) but enhance overall attractiveness. Look up how South Korean ladies do their make-up. I am not advocating more make-up as I personally don’t like too much make-up.

Well Mr. Man, different areas of the world have different makeup styles. Women in America are not trying to make themselves look like white South Korean. You can just look up East v. West makeup.

Okay. How about comparing with ladies in Paris? I see ladies in LA or Manhattan do better job in their makeup. In most other cities including DC, do you really think that women (and men) have a good sense of fashion in general?

Ha, no, but that has nothing to do with whether Americans or South Koreans do makeup better. They’re just going for a different aesthetic. In DC I think women go for “look presentable with the least effort possible so that effort can be spent on my career instead.”

“Look presentable with the least effort possible” do you think that most people look presentable? How good are they? This requires skills. This is different than no makeup. You think that women in Paris don’t spend enough efforts on their career? OP asked for suggestions and I am just sharing my thoughts.

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Anonymous wrote:Exercise (aerobic and strength)
Lose weight (90% of American women should)
Dress well (and age appropriate)
Look after your hair and skin
Don't smoke
Don't get sloppy drunk in public
Don't be dumb (unless you can lean into it)
Don't be in a weird substrata (religious/trumpers/cults)
Don't be weird (in a bad way - needy etc. good to be quirky)
Don't live beyond means/ confuse style for "brands"
Have a life with meaning/purpose so "searching for a man" isn't your main defining characteristic....

Thank you for your advice, Mr. Do*che. .

DP here. Woman. This is actually true. I have seen plenty of divorced women who are on the prowl, and desperate to marry money. It is sad, for all of us.

Agree. First reply was triggered by seeing themselves described...

Anonymous wrote:my guess is most men actually do want makeup, even when they say they don't. What they think is is no makeup is actually very skillful minimal makeup done to look like natural perfection.

100% yes.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a woman but I need to say this:

Do not try to change for the dating scene. Men always complain that women change after getting married and having kids, and some of that is due to women trying to be somebody they are not when they were dating. Having kids saps you of so much energy and it’s going to be almost impossible to keep up with how much you authentically want to act and groom. The fake stuff you add to catch a man is unsustainable.

Many women agree with you, as one can tell from their dating app profile pics that clearly say, "I'm not even trying".

Perhaps. But maybe they way they take care of themselves is just not what is attractive to you. Like I have always taken care of my health and my skin, and I wear minimal makeup. I never wear jewelry and though I wear clothes that fit my fashion sense is not great. I wear my hair in its natural waves and never get highlights or anything. Many men probably look at me and think I don’t try, and that’s okay. I’m not for everybody. But I also never feel pressure to get back to how I was when I was dating my husband 15 years ago because the way I presented myself then wasn’t an act I had to sustain.

Anonymous wrote:These responses are almost all from women, with maybe an incel here and there.

Which makes it representative of the relationship forum.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that the reason why men don’t recommend too much makeup is because many American women don’t know how to do the make-up in the right (classy, feminine) way. Sometimes make-up makes women look angry if not done right. This is just my humble opinion (I am not an expert in this, just my observation). If you don’t agree, that’s fine. This is just one man’s opinion. For example, ladies in other countries do the make-up in a way that’s subtle (doesn’t look like make-up) but enhance overall attractiveness. Look up how South Korean ladies do their make-up. I am not advocating more make-up as I personally don’t like too much make-up.

Well Mr. Man, different areas of the world have different makeup styles. Women in America are not trying to make themselves look like white South Korean. You can just look up East v. West makeup.

Okay. How about comparing with ladies in Paris? I see ladies in LA or Manhattan do better job in their makeup. In most other cities including DC, do you really think that women (and men) have a good sense of fashion in general?

Ha, no, but that has nothing to do with whether Americans or South Koreans do makeup better. They’re just going for a different aesthetic. In DC I think women go for “look presentable with the least effort possible so that effort can be spent on my career instead.”

These responses are almost all from women, with maybe an incel here and there.

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Anonymous wrote:If women have any gray hair - keep it colored.

Nothing screams “I do not care how bad I look now - I am just O-L-D!!” than a woman who is letting her gray roots grow in or has that dull, gray dishwater colored hair.

Keeping your grays properly colored (even if it has to be done every ten days or so) shows a man that you care.
It keeps you looking polished and shows that you are not ready yet to let your old age take over you.

However after 65+, you can let your grays show.
Because at that stage of life, everyone and their Mother know that you likely are 💯% gray and that even if you color your mane, your skin will contradict it.

Said no man, ever.

This is written by a woman, as, I suspect, most of these comments.

I doubt it. I'm a man, and I agree with it. Gray hair is how women over 35 say, "I've given up".

I know a guy who told me that he knew it was shallow, but hated that the woman he was dating didn't color her grey hair. She was in late 40s. I said. "yeah, don't ever say that out loud again."

Anonymous wrote:I went out last Friday and men were coming up to me like I was honey. I wore black and white wrap unlined dress, nude flat sandals, just a little mascara, no jewelry, no bag. I did have my phone in my hand.
Where I'm from less is more. Finally men seemed to agree or they are desperate after staying home for so long during covid. So glad less is in again even if it only seems like it.

Where were you and do you have big b**bs?

my guess is most men actually do want makeup, even when they say they don't. What they think is is no makeup is actually very skillful minimal makeup done to look like natural perfection.

Anonymous wrote:I think that the reason why men don’t recommend too much makeup is because many American women don’t know how to do the make-up in the right (classy, feminine) way. Sometimes make-up makes women look angry if not done right. This is just my humble opinion (I am not an expert in this, just my observation). If you don’t agree, that’s fine. This is just one man’s opinion. For example, ladies in other countries do the make-up in a way that’s subtle (doesn’t look like make-up) but enhance overall attractiveness. Look up how South Korean ladies do their make-up. I am not advocating more make-up as I personally don’t like too much make-up.

Step 1: Have flawless, porcelain skin thanks to genetics.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that the reason why men don’t recommend too much makeup is because many American women don’t know how to do the make-up in the right (classy, feminine) way. Sometimes make-up makes women look angry if not done right. This is just my humble opinion (I am not an expert in this, just my observation). If you don’t agree, that’s fine. This is just one man’s opinion. For example, ladies in other countries do the make-up in a way that’s subtle (doesn’t look like make-up) but enhance overall attractiveness. Look up how South Korean ladies do their make-up. I am not advocating more make-up as I personally don’t like too much make-up.

Well Mr. Man, different areas of the world have different makeup styles. Women in America are not trying to make themselves look like white South Korean. You can just look up East v. West makeup.

Okay. How about comparing with ladies in Paris? I see ladies in LA or Manhattan do better job in their makeup. In most other cities including DC, do you really think that women (and men) have a good sense of fashion in general?