Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 22:13     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is geography. Nothing can or should be done. Close your windows.


I was in a house that had double pane plus sound blocking window inserts. They said they got 4 hours of sleep a night. Sold and got out


This is not true. I live in Palisades off MacArthur and the noise is nbd. We live in a city, there’s a bit of noise. If you want pastoral, live in the country. We barely notice it, honestly. I’m mystified that people are so bothered by it.


I agree. I also live there and some claims here are completely exaggerated. Everyone can go check for themselves by spending a few hours in the area if they do not believe. And it is generally the loud ones that shout on listserve. Also please explain how the prices in the neighborhood keep going up if it is so unlivable.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 22:01     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is geography. Nothing can or should be done. Close your windows.


I was in a house that had double pane plus sound blocking window inserts. They said they got 4 hours of sleep a night. Sold and got out


This is not true. I live in Palisades off MacArthur and the noise is nbd. We live in a city, there’s a bit of noise. If you want pastoral, live in the country. We barely notice it, honestly. I’m mystified that people are so bothered by it.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 21:52     Subject: Plane noise
It’s interesting, since it’s pretty much a zero sum game with VA
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 21:49     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:Typically 20+ million passengers use DCA each year. The airport is not going to make major changes in its operations simply to appease a few disgruntled rich folks upstream.


Of course not. People just need to smarten up at some point and stop
wasting $ on this neighborhood

Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 21:48     Subject: Plane noise
No it didn’t. Stop minimizing the issue. Then on private list serves it’s all we can’t take it any longer.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 21:45     Subject: Plane noise
I am surprised someone still gets this worked up over this. The noise got dramatically better since they moved one of the navigation points to the other side of the river a couple of years ago. We live in one of the affected neighborhoods in DC and it really is not a big deal. And I am pretty sensitive to noise. Disclosing the noise is laughable. You should be able to hear the noise when viewing the house as the planes literally fly constantly.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 20:48     Subject: Re:Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I found this very useful when moving to the area. There are noise sensor networks for both DCA and IAD.

https://webtrak.emsbk.com/dca

https://webtrak.emsbk.com/iad

You can watch (not in real time, delayed by about an hour) the noise levels rise and fall with planes on various flight paths in the area. Historical data is also available, beyond that data feed, so you can look at different times of day.

Once I had the dB levels, I googled to find charts of what a certain number of decibels equated to in noise levels. (As loud as a normal conversation? As a drill? etc.).

This stuff is out there, it's public. As someone who was looking at buying in the area, once I picked up from the forums here that there were places where airport noise was an issue, I started googling and that's how I came across the sensor network info. (I also looked at flood maps and other historical flood data, tornado records, water treatment/sewage plants in the area, etc.) I know that most people don't do that level of due diligence, but it certainly helps avoid some things.

Even with the level of research I did, though, I didn't realize there are still helicopters from Mt. Weather that frequently fly over so low that my house shakes. It's very, very difficult to catch every possibility of something disruptive, when you don't live in an area already.


This is fun to watch. The planes do a great job staying with the river. Sensors are going up into the 70s, which is certainly noticeable outside, but should not be inside. Weather will be a factor, though. The sound will not carry as much on a summer afternoon.


It can be noticeable inside too.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 20:47     Subject: Plane noise
Typically 20+ million passengers use DCA each year. The airport is not going to make major changes in its operations simply to appease a few disgruntled rich folks upstream.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 20:38     Subject: Re:Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Blame Congress, they chiseled away at the plane limitations at National over the passed decades. One reason, I could never support John McCain.
Used to have a rule about planes after 10pm. Used to have a rule about lower sizes of planes. Used to have a rule that had max miles planes could fly from DC- they have inched that up over time.

Call your Congress Critter and demand the old rules.


Not going to happen. For one thing, the limitations were about building a market for IAD, not plane noise. Second, and more importantly, guess who flies out of DCA on a weekly basis and doesn’t want to have to drive to IAD or make a connection to get home?
I didn’t say it would be easy.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 20:10     Subject: Plane noise
Sadly, but should they? It’s truly detrimental to health
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 19:08     Subject: Plane noise
OMG. This issue gets so tiring. People in the Palisades have been complaining about plane noise from DCA for decades. It’s the same old whining year after year after year.

Nothing is going to change. Planes will continue to use the river for their takeoff or approach; they have no other reasonable path to follow. Don’t like the noise? Then move. More than enough people will be happy to replace you.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 17:02     Subject: Plane noise
This is fascinating. When and what intersection was this?
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 16:36     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I lived by a a flight path, 200 from feet train tracks in a busy street that was a corner house.

I don’t see why anything had to be disclosed. Folks have Google maps. Heck when we moved in walls had cracks in plaster due to vibrations.

I recall when 13 a girl during thanksgiving dinner crashed into out retaining wall with her mustang. Normal stuff


When did you live there? Because we are talking about an unending stream of planes flying at much lower altitudes than they did in the past. i


Cheap, great school district and a 200 feet walk home from train. House still there worth around 850k.

They widened street parking after house was built. My neighbor who bought new in 1923 as a newlywed feed neighbors cows over our back fence. That farm replaced with 1,700 unit apt complex with entrance in side of my house. We get 3,000 to 5,000 cars every morning by house and my backyard was visible from train so maybe 50,000 people on train could see into yard and yes I could pick out my house on planes headed south.

My brother and me if mom painted house, put up new gate or we even got a new car folks would always comment at work, school wherever. Kinda cool.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 16:32     Subject: Re:Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:I found this very useful when moving to the area. There are noise sensor networks for both DCA and IAD.

https://webtrak.emsbk.com/dca

https://webtrak.emsbk.com/iad

You can watch (not in real time, delayed by about an hour) the noise levels rise and fall with planes on various flight paths in the area. Historical data is also available, beyond that data feed, so you can look at different times of day.

Once I had the dB levels, I googled to find charts of what a certain number of decibels equated to in noise levels. (As loud as a normal conversation? As a drill? etc.).

This stuff is out there, it's public. As someone who was looking at buying in the area, once I picked up from the forums here that there were places where airport noise was an issue, I started googling and that's how I came across the sensor network info. (I also looked at flood maps and other historical flood data, tornado records, water treatment/sewage plants in the area, etc.) I know that most people don't do that level of due diligence, but it certainly helps avoid some things.

Even with the level of research I did, though, I didn't realize there are still helicopters from Mt. Weather that frequently fly over so low that my house shakes. It's very, very difficult to catch every possibility of something disruptive, when you don't live in an area already.


This is fun to watch. The planes do a great job staying with the river. Sensors are going up into the 70s, which is certainly noticeable outside, but should not be inside. Weather will be a factor, though. The sound will not carry as much on a summer afternoon.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2022 16:30     Subject: Re:Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Blame Congress, they chiseled away at the plane limitations at National over the passed decades. One reason, I could never support John McCain.
Used to have a rule about planes after 10pm. Used to have a rule about lower sizes of planes. Used to have a rule that had max miles planes could fly from DC- they have inched that up over time.

Call your Congress Critter and demand the old rules.


Not going to happen. For one thing, the limitations were about building a market for IAD, not plane noise. Second, and more importantly, guess who flies out of DCA on a weekly basis and doesn’t want to have to drive to IAD or make a connection to get home?