Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin Madison

Too Cold.

UVA, JMU, VT
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Anonymous wrote:Her gpa at end of senior year won’t matter. If you do ED they’re looking at grades end of junior year plus courses in progress. Similar with RD but first semester senior grades are complete.

Yes, but when you view the median GPA at SHEV or Naviance, those are senior year grades. As a prior poster pointed out, your GPA jumps a lot junior and senior year if you take a lot of APs. Also Naviance matters more than anything for the individual student. The average admitted GPA for my kid’s HS, for example, is 4.1 because it’s a private school without a lot of AP options.

The senior year gpa doesn’t bounce that much. Remember it’s cumulative vet all four years z

It does for kids with APs. At some schools the highest possible GPA is a 4.0 or 4.1 the first two years, but a 4.5-4.75 the last two years. A 0.1 jump in GPA is about the difference between the 25th and 50th percentile statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:Her gpa at end of senior year won’t matter. If you do ED they’re looking at grades end of junior year plus courses in progress. Similar with RD but first semester senior grades are complete.

Yes, but when you view the median GPA at SHEV or Naviance, those are senior year grades. As a prior poster pointed out, your GPA jumps a lot junior and senior year if you take a lot of APs. Also Naviance matters more than anything for the individual student. The average admitted GPA for my kid’s HS, for example, is 4.1 because it’s a private school without a lot of AP options.

But for Langley it’s a 4.47. You have to compare against the top gpa possible at your high schoolZ the college counselor should help. Naviance will help. OP also needs to ask high school counselor if they will be checking the most rigorous box. That’s a necessity for UVA and OP’s kid should be in the top 6 percent of their class. Also OP’s daughter shouldn’t ho TO unless hooked. TO only favors the hooked

Yes, that’s why I said you need to look at Naviance. GPA varies from school to school. Also Dean J says repeatedly to stop looking at the GPA in isolation because, as you noted, it’s the rigor on the courses that matter.

TO does not favor those who are hooked. UVA is very explicit, verbally in their admission seminars, and in writing, that students do not need to submit scores, and tells kids not to take the SAT or submit a score if they do not want to do so. If schools lie about this they will end up being sued and they know that (per an actual counsel at UVA). Plus the existence of TO is leading to inflated SAT stats. If you want to see the real SAT averages for a school, go back to 2019. That’s what they will look like if school removed the test optional option.

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Anonymous wrote:Her gpa at end of senior year won’t matter. If you do ED they’re looking at grades end of junior year plus courses in progress. Similar with RD but first semester senior grades are complete.

Yes, but when you view the median GPA at SHEV or Naviance, those are senior year grades. As a prior poster pointed out, your GPA jumps a lot junior and senior year if you take a lot of APs. Also Naviance matters more than anything for the individual student. The average admitted GPA for my kid’s HS, for example, is 4.1 because it’s a private school without a lot of AP options.

But for Langley it’s a 4.47. You have to compare against the top gpa possible at your high schoolZ the college counselor should help. Naviance will help. OP also needs to ask high school counselor if they will be checking the most rigorous box. That’s a necessity for UVA and OP’s kid should be in the top 6 percent of their class. Also OP’s daughter shouldn’t ho TO unless hooked. TO only favors the hooked

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Anonymous wrote:Her gpa at end of senior year won’t matter. If you do ED they’re looking at grades end of junior year plus courses in progress. Similar with RD but first semester senior grades are complete.

Yes, but when you view the median GPA at SHEV or Naviance, those are senior year grades. As a prior poster pointed out, your GPA jumps a lot junior and senior year if you take a lot of APs. Also Naviance matters more than anything for the individual student. The average admitted GPA for my kid’s HS, for example, is 4.1 because it’s a private school without a lot of AP options.

The senior year gpa doesn’t bounce that much. Remember it’s cumulative vet all four years z

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Anonymous wrote:Her gpa at end of senior year won’t matter. If you do ED they’re looking at grades end of junior year plus courses in progress. Similar with RD but first semester senior grades are complete.

Yes, but when you view the median GPA at SHEV or Naviance, those are senior year grades. As a prior poster pointed out, your GPA jumps a lot junior and senior year if you take a lot of APs. Also Naviance matters more than anything for the individual student. The average admitted GPA for my kid’s HS, for example, is 4.1 because it’s a private school without a lot of AP options.

DP. Question: why does SHEV use senior year grades? Isn't that data pretty useless when college admissions are based solely on junior year grades (and 1st semester senior, if doing RD)? I always assumed SCHEV used the admission data/grades. Otherwise, what's the point?

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Anonymous wrote:OP's kid should focus on Virginia Tech and forget completely about UNC. She has no chance there and is setting herself up for disappointment. UVA is a maybe at best but clearly she doesn't want to go there for some ridiculous reason. UW-Madison is great but bigger and colder and no guaranteed admit either.

+100

Virginia Tech was a hard admit this year, so not sure that's guaranteed either.

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So envious of the kids who were admitted to VT. It was my DC's first choice but sadly, DC was denied.

For my money, Indiana University offers a lot of what UNC offers without being impossible for admission. Kelley Business School is a great place from which to launch a business career anywhere from Main Street to Wall Street. At the other extreme, in the arts, Jacobs Schoo of Music offers renowned programs. Everything in between is very good as well. With an enrollment of 30,000+, its size isn’t as overwhelming as some of the Big Ten’s mega universities. And Bloomington is simply a superb college town. Like UNC, it has great basketball traditions. And located well south of the Great Lakes it doesn’t have winters as harsh as most of the Big Ten.

Anonymous wrote:Her gpa at end of senior year won’t matter. If you do ED they’re looking at grades end of junior year plus courses in progress. Similar with RD but first semester senior grades are complete.

Yes, but when you view the median GPA at SHEV or Naviance, those are senior year grades. As a prior poster pointed out, your GPA jumps a lot junior and senior year if you take a lot of APs. Also Naviance matters more than anything for the individual student. The average admitted GPA for my kid’s HS, for example, is 4.1 because it’s a private school without a lot of AP options.

UVA is very very similar; more Greek life-focused and a bit more affluent student population. I almost went to UVA and ended up at UNC

Her gpa at end of senior year won’t matter. If you do ED they’re looking at grades end of junior year plus courses in progress. Similar with RD but first semester senior grades are complete.

Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks for the feedback. We are going to check out some of the schools listed.

I realize DD is probably a maybe at UVA, but she should have a 4.4 at the end of senior year, which puts her at median for the SHEV stats. A 4.45 is the highest possible GPA for her workload, and higher than the GPA for admitted students at her HS. I guess I will cross my fingers and hope TO works for her (and if she gets in, she changes her mind about attending!)

It’s all about comparing her to her peers, so do ED and it sounds like her chances are good! At our school, a 4.4 is still a maybe (and I wish I would have considered this before we moved-bad for admissions)

OP here - thanks for the feedback. We are going to check out some of the schools listed.

I realize DD is probably a maybe at UVA, but she should have a 4.4 at the end of senior year, which puts her at median for the SHEV stats. A 4.45 is the highest possible GPA for her workload, and higher than the GPA for admitted students at her HS. I guess I will cross my fingers and hope TO works for her (and if she gets in, she changes her mind about attending!)

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Anonymous wrote:I went to UNC OOS and picked it over UVA. It has a very different vibe than UVA. Both are great schools.

I had zero issue with the school being 82% instate. I made plenty of friends. Those numbers have been set since the 80s and apply to all schools in the NC state system (ECU, NC State, UNCW, etc.).

Wisconsin-Madison is the first school that comes to mind that is very close to UNC. My cousin’s daughter was denied at UNC and ended up in Madison after being suggested to apply there for the similarity and she LOVED it. She just graduated and is staying there.

You went to UNC, not UVA. So you're really in no position to compare "vibes" between the two schools. You can only know what you know, not what you don't know and haven't experienced.

That’s a ridiculous comment. There are people who have spent time at both schools who aren’t even students. To say someone can’t compare “vibes” of both these schools without attending both would make this entire forum worthless.