Anonymous wrote:My ES kids are anecdotally reporting lots of people out of school, and I really can't turn positive this week (specific work travel under preparation since last September). We are already a medium- to high-caution household, with everyone always masked (KF-94 or N-95) indoors, most shopping done online, etc.--but the kids are in school. Do I keep them home? We're already reducing other indoor activities from today, but it feels like so many people are getting sick right now (some probably covid, some probably not). Advice?

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Anonymous wrote:Woah. Given the vaccine was 12% effective this seems insane. Asymptomatic negative kids have to stay home for a full week of school??

Ok so to summarize:
MCPS got rid of the mask mandate
As of literally this week, they said based on cdc guidance and dept of health guidance, they no longer needed to contact trace
Cdc guidance still says unvaxxed individuals need to quarantine after close contact
But since mcps isn’t contact tracing, unvaxxed individuals in a class or activity or grade level now need to quarantine for 5 days if 3 or more students test positive

So even if a not-sick child, who can’t control whether his parents vaccinated him, showed up to school religiously wearing a kn95 mask, and tested negative (!!) he must miss up to a week of school because other children decided to go maskless in his class and infect each other? And the school dropped all the mitigations?

Just so everyone knows, our school got a letter too. It said students who are eligible for the booster but not boosted would have to quarantine too unless they had covid in the last 90 days. My kids are too young for the booster, but this is getting ridiculous considering there is no vaccine (or booster) mandate and no one was notified of this policy change in advance.

There better not be a vaccine or a booster mandate FOR KIDS or I will truly lose my shit. There is ZERO chance I want to get my 6 year old vaccinated at this point, when she already caught Covid at school in January. Not a chance.

I imagine once the vaccine is fully approved for kids that it will be mandated just like other vaccines are. So prepare to lose your sh-t or make other school arrangements.

Why would you think that? The vaccine is marginally effective. And it could be over a year before it gets fully FDA approved for kids age 5-12. By that time, the variants will be SO different that the current shot will provide even less protection.

It would be stupid for MCPS to mandate an outdated Covid vaccine for 6 year olds. Hopefully they are not dumb enough to do that, but I guess you never know.

Vaccines still reduce the chance of getting infected with the coronavirus, developing symptomatic covid, transmitting the virus, and dramatically reduce the chance of hospitalization or death.

Anonymous wrote:My ES kids are anecdotally reporting lots of people out of school, and I really can't turn positive this week (specific work travel under preparation since last September). We are already a medium- to high-caution household, with everyone always masked (KF-94 or N-95) indoors, most shopping done online, etc.--but the kids are in school. Do I keep them home? We're already reducing other indoor activities from today, but it feels like so many people are getting sick right now (some probably covid, some probably not). Advice?

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Anonymous wrote:Woah. Given the vaccine was 12% effective this seems insane. Asymptomatic negative kids have to stay home for a full week of school??

Ok so to summarize:
MCPS got rid of the mask mandate
As of literally this week, they said based on cdc guidance and dept of health guidance, they no longer needed to contact trace
Cdc guidance still says unvaxxed individuals need to quarantine after close contact
But since mcps isn’t contact tracing, unvaxxed individuals in a class or activity or grade level now need to quarantine for 5 days if 3 or more students test positive

So even if a not-sick child, who can’t control whether his parents vaccinated him, showed up to school religiously wearing a kn95 mask, and tested negative (!!) he must miss up to a week of school because other children decided to go maskless in his class and infect each other? And the school dropped all the mitigations?

Just so everyone knows, our school got a letter too. It said students who are eligible for the booster but not boosted would have to quarantine too unless they had covid in the last 90 days. My kids are too young for the booster, but this is getting ridiculous considering there is no vaccine (or booster) mandate and no one was notified of this policy change in advance.

There better not be a vaccine or a booster mandate FOR KIDS or I will truly lose my shit. There is ZERO chance I want to get my 6 year old vaccinated at this point, when she already caught Covid at school in January. Not a chance.

I imagine once the vaccine is fully approved for kids that it will be mandated just like other vaccines are. So prepare to lose your sh-t or make other school arrangements.

Why would you think that? The vaccine is marginally effective. And it could be over a year before it gets fully FDA approved for kids age 5-12. By that time, the variants will be SO different that the current shot will provide even less protection.

It would be stupid for MCPS to mandate an outdated Covid vaccine for 6 year olds. Hopefully they are not dumb enough to do that, but I guess you never know.

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Anonymous wrote:Woah. Given the vaccine was 12% effective this seems insane. Asymptomatic negative kids have to stay home for a full week of school??

Ok so to summarize:
MCPS got rid of the mask mandate
As of literally this week, they said based on cdc guidance and dept of health guidance, they no longer needed to contact trace
Cdc guidance still says unvaxxed individuals need to quarantine after close contact
But since mcps isn’t contact tracing, unvaxxed individuals in a class or activity or grade level now need to quarantine for 5 days if 3 or more students test positive

So even if a not-sick child, who can’t control whether his parents vaccinated him, showed up to school religiously wearing a kn95 mask, and tested negative (!!) he must miss up to a week of school because other children decided to go maskless in his class and infect each other? And the school dropped all the mitigations?

Just so everyone knows, our school got a letter too. It said students who are eligible for the booster but not boosted would have to quarantine too unless they had covid in the last 90 days. My kids are too young for the booster, but this is getting ridiculous considering there is no vaccine (or booster) mandate and no one was notified of this policy change in advance.

There better not be a vaccine or a booster mandate FOR KIDS or I will truly lose my shit. There is ZERO chance I want to get my 6 year old vaccinated at this point, when she already caught Covid at school in January. Not a chance.

I imagine once the vaccine is fully approved for kids that it will be mandated just like other vaccines are. So prepare to lose your sh-t or make other school arrangements.

Why would you think that? The vaccine is marginally effective. And it could be over a year before it gets fully FDA approved for kids age 5-12. By that time, the variants will be SO different that the current shot will provide even less protection.

It would be stupid for MCPS to mandate an outdated Covid vaccine for 6 year olds. Hopefully they are not dumb enough to do that, but I guess you never know.

Oh I absolutely think MCPS is dumb enough to do that, and will be encouraged by DHHS to do so. I think they are smart enough to limit the mandates while under EUA.

There’s a chance, of course, that FDA never fully approves it for the reasons you mention.

People are already skeptical of the FDA. If the FDA fully approves the current, outdated shot for kids age 5-12, leading to school mandates, all public trust in our federal public health agencies will be lost.

You mean if they don't approve it.

No. Based on the data we have on kids age 5-12, and considering the shot’s performance against the new variants that have arisen, there is no justification for the FDA to fully approve the current Pfizer Covid shot.

If they go ahead and fully approve it anyway, then something is clearly amiss.

I agree, but suspect they will because a) it still helps with hospitalization and case severity, b) there are very few safety concerns, c) as a society we’ve tied so much to being “fully vaccinated” that it will be hard to undo. Perhaps they just keep the current one under EUA until a more effective vaccine is developed? Companies are working on a new one right?

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Anonymous wrote:Woah. Given the vaccine was 12% effective this seems insane. Asymptomatic negative kids have to stay home for a full week of school??

Ok so to summarize:
MCPS got rid of the mask mandate
As of literally this week, they said based on cdc guidance and dept of health guidance, they no longer needed to contact trace
Cdc guidance still says unvaxxed individuals need to quarantine after close contact
But since mcps isn’t contact tracing, unvaxxed individuals in a class or activity or grade level now need to quarantine for 5 days if 3 or more students test positive

So even if a not-sick child, who can’t control whether his parents vaccinated him, showed up to school religiously wearing a kn95 mask, and tested negative (!!) he must miss up to a week of school because other children decided to go maskless in his class and infect each other? And the school dropped all the mitigations?

Just so everyone knows, our school got a letter too. It said students who are eligible for the booster but not boosted would have to quarantine too unless they had covid in the last 90 days. My kids are too young for the booster, but this is getting ridiculous considering there is no vaccine (or booster) mandate and no one was notified of this policy change in advance.

There better not be a vaccine or a booster mandate FOR KIDS or I will truly lose my shit. There is ZERO chance I want to get my 6 year old vaccinated at this point, when she already caught Covid at school in January. Not a chance.

I imagine once the vaccine is fully approved for kids that it will be mandated just like other vaccines are. So prepare to lose your sh-t or make other school arrangements.

Why would you think that? The vaccine is marginally effective. And it could be over a year before it gets fully FDA approved for kids age 5-12. By that time, the variants will be SO different that the current shot will provide even less protection.

It would be stupid for MCPS to mandate an outdated Covid vaccine for 6 year olds. Hopefully they are not dumb enough to do that, but I guess you never know.

Oh I absolutely think MCPS is dumb enough to do that, and will be encouraged by DHHS to do so. I think they are smart enough to limit the mandates while under EUA.

There’s a chance, of course, that FDA never fully approves it for the reasons you mention.

People are already skeptical of the FDA. If the FDA fully approves the current, outdated shot for kids age 5-12, leading to school mandates, all public trust in our federal public health agencies will be lost.

You mean if they don't approve it.

No. Based on the data we have on kids age 5-12, and considering the shot’s performance against the new variants that have arisen, there is no justification for the FDA to fully approve the current Pfizer Covid shot.

If they go ahead and fully approve it anyway, then something is clearly amiss.

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Anonymous wrote:Woah. Given the vaccine was 12% effective this seems insane. Asymptomatic negative kids have to stay home for a full week of school??

Ok so to summarize:
MCPS got rid of the mask mandate
As of literally this week, they said based on cdc guidance and dept of health guidance, they no longer needed to contact trace
Cdc guidance still says unvaxxed individuals need to quarantine after close contact
But since mcps isn’t contact tracing, unvaxxed individuals in a class or activity or grade level now need to quarantine for 5 days if 3 or more students test positive

So even if a not-sick child, who can’t control whether his parents vaccinated him, showed up to school religiously wearing a kn95 mask, and tested negative (!!) he must miss up to a week of school because other children decided to go maskless in his class and infect each other? And the school dropped all the mitigations?

Just so everyone knows, our school got a letter too. It said students who are eligible for the booster but not boosted would have to quarantine too unless they had covid in the last 90 days. My kids are too young for the booster, but this is getting ridiculous considering there is no vaccine (or booster) mandate and no one was notified of this policy change in advance.

There better not be a vaccine or a booster mandate FOR KIDS or I will truly lose my shit. There is ZERO chance I want to get my 6 year old vaccinated at this point, when she already caught Covid at school in January. Not a chance.

I imagine once the vaccine is fully approved for kids that it will be mandated just like other vaccines are. So prepare to lose your sh-t or make other school arrangements.

Why would you think that? The vaccine is marginally effective. And it could be over a year before it gets fully FDA approved for kids age 5-12. By that time, the variants will be SO different that the current shot will provide even less protection.

It would be stupid for MCPS to mandate an outdated Covid vaccine for 6 year olds. Hopefully they are not dumb enough to do that, but I guess you never know.

Oh I absolutely think MCPS is dumb enough to do that, and will be encouraged by DHHS to do so. I think they are smart enough to limit the mandates while under EUA.

There’s a chance, of course, that FDA never fully approves it for the reasons you mention.

People are already skeptical of the FDA. If the FDA fully approves the current, outdated shot for kids age 5-12, leading to school mandates, all public trust in our federal public health agencies will be lost.

You mean if they don't approve it.

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Anonymous wrote:Your kids have all had covid like six times at this point. Don't come crying to to me when their toes turn purple. I could show you study after study about how bad that is, but you won't listen.

Weird post? If you are worried about purple toes, you should probably just keep your kids at home for the next several years. You sound somewhat strangely gleeful that some kids might have purple toes?

You sound extremely guilty about repeatedly exposing your family to a virus with debilitating long-term effects. Perhaps the penny has dropped? That's not glee in my voice, btw. It's exhaustion. I'm tired tired of careless people who break things.

I'm sure you are exhausted- it takes a LOT of work to never be exposed to this extremely contagious virus. Let me guess- virtual academy, bot parents WAH or SAH, grocery delivery, KN95s when you must go out somewhere, even for walks in the neighborhood? That is no doubt exhausting to keep up that level of effort for over 2 years.

Nope. We mask everywhere inside. Not outside.

I'm sorry your family couldn't be arsed and your kids will have long-term health problems and cognitive deficits because of that.

Anonymous wrote:So what are cautious folks doing now? I was willing to roll the dice and still send my kids to school (masked) when cases were low but now they're not and now all mitigation is gone (our ES discontinued outdoor lunch too although MS student can still eat outside). At what point do you keep kids home again? I really really don't want to jeopardize their long term health with the unknown effects. And I don't want to get sick either!

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Anonymous wrote:Your kids have all had covid like six times at this point. Don't come crying to to me when their toes turn purple. I could show you study after study about how bad that is, but you won't listen.

Weird post? If you are worried about purple toes, you should probably just keep your kids at home for the next several years. You sound somewhat strangely gleeful that some kids might have purple toes?

You sound extremely guilty about repeatedly exposing your family to a virus with debilitating long-term effects. Perhaps the penny has dropped? That's not glee in my voice, btw. It's exhaustion. I'm tired tired of careless people who break things.

I'm sure you are exhausted- it takes a LOT of work to never be exposed to this extremely contagious virus. Let me guess- virtual academy, bot parents WAH or SAH, grocery delivery, KN95s when you must go out somewhere, even for walks in the neighborhood? That is no doubt exhausting to keep up that level of effort for over 2 years.

Nope. We mask everywhere inside. Not outside.


75% of kids have had Covid. So yours have probably had it - dismount the high horse.
I'm sorry your family couldn't be arsed and your kids will have long-term health problems and cognitive deficits because of that.

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Anonymous wrote:Woah. Given the vaccine was 12% effective this seems insane. Asymptomatic negative kids have to stay home for a full week of school??

Ok so to summarize:
MCPS got rid of the mask mandate
As of literally this week, they said based on cdc guidance and dept of health guidance, they no longer needed to contact trace
Cdc guidance still says unvaxxed individuals need to quarantine after close contact
But since mcps isn’t contact tracing, unvaxxed individuals in a class or activity or grade level now need to quarantine for 5 days if 3 or more students test positive

So even if a not-sick child, who can’t control whether his parents vaccinated him, showed up to school religiously wearing a kn95 mask, and tested negative (!!) he must miss up to a week of school because other children decided to go maskless in his class and infect each other? And the school dropped all the mitigations?

Just so everyone knows, our school got a letter too. It said students who are eligible for the booster but not boosted would have to quarantine too unless they had covid in the last 90 days. My kids are too young for the booster, but this is getting ridiculous considering there is no vaccine (or booster) mandate and no one was notified of this policy change in advance.

There better not be a vaccine or a booster mandate FOR KIDS or I will truly lose my shit. There is ZERO chance I want to get my 6 year old vaccinated at this point, when she already caught Covid at school in January. Not a chance.

I imagine once the vaccine is fully approved for kids that it will be mandated just like other vaccines are. So prepare to lose your sh-t or make other school arrangements.

Why would you think that? The vaccine is marginally effective. And it could be over a year before it gets fully FDA approved for kids age 5-12. By that time, the variants will be SO different that the current shot will provide even less protection.

It would be stupid for MCPS to mandate an outdated Covid vaccine for 6 year olds. Hopefully they are not dumb enough to do that, but I guess you never know.

Oh I absolutely think MCPS is dumb enough to do that, and will be encouraged by DHHS to do so. I think they are smart enough to limit the mandates while under EUA.

There’s a chance, of course, that FDA never fully approves it for the reasons you mention.

People are already skeptical of the FDA. If the FDA fully approves the current, outdated shot for kids age 5-12, leading to school mandates, all public trust in our federal public health agencies will be lost.

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Anonymous wrote:Woah. Given the vaccine was 12% effective this seems insane. Asymptomatic negative kids have to stay home for a full week of school??

Ok so to summarize:
MCPS got rid of the mask mandate
As of literally this week, they said based on cdc guidance and dept of health guidance, they no longer needed to contact trace
Cdc guidance still says unvaxxed individuals need to quarantine after close contact
But since mcps isn’t contact tracing, unvaxxed individuals in a class or activity or grade level now need to quarantine for 5 days if 3 or more students test positive

So even if a not-sick child, who can’t control whether his parents vaccinated him, showed up to school religiously wearing a kn95 mask, and tested negative (!!) he must miss up to a week of school because other children decided to go maskless in his class and infect each other? And the school dropped all the mitigations?

Just so everyone knows, our school got a letter too. It said students who are eligible for the booster but not boosted would have to quarantine too unless they had covid in the last 90 days. My kids are too young for the booster, but this is getting ridiculous considering there is no vaccine (or booster) mandate and no one was notified of this policy change in advance.

There better not be a vaccine or a booster mandate FOR KIDS or I will truly lose my shit. There is ZERO chance I want to get my 6 year old vaccinated at this point, when she already caught Covid at school in January. Not a chance.

I imagine once the vaccine is fully approved for kids that it will be mandated just like other vaccines are. So prepare to lose your sh-t or make other school arrangements.

Why would you think that? The vaccine is marginally effective. And it could be over a year before it gets fully FDA approved for kids age 5-12. By that time, the variants will be SO different that the current shot will provide even less protection.

It would be stupid for MCPS to mandate an outdated Covid vaccine for 6 year olds. Hopefully they are not dumb enough to do that, but I guess you never know.

Oh I absolutely think MCPS is dumb enough to do that, and will be encouraged by DHHS to do so. I think they are smart enough to limit the mandates while under EUA.

There’s a chance, of course, that FDA never fully approves it for the reasons you mention.

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Anonymous wrote:Your kids have all had covid like six times at this point. Don't come crying to to me when their toes turn purple. I could show you study after study about how bad that is, but you won't listen.

Weird post? If you are worried about purple toes, you should probably just keep your kids at home for the next several years. You sound somewhat strangely gleeful that some kids might have purple toes?

You sound extremely guilty about repeatedly exposing your family to a virus with debilitating long-term effects. Perhaps the penny has dropped? That's not glee in my voice, btw. It's exhaustion. I'm tired tired of careless people who break things.

I'm sure you are exhausted- it takes a LOT of work to never be exposed to this extremely contagious virus. Let me guess- virtual academy, bot parents WAH or SAH, grocery delivery, KN95s when you must go out somewhere, even for walks in the neighborhood? That is no doubt exhausting to keep up that level of effort for over 2 years.

Nope. We mask everywhere inside. Not outside.

I'm sorry your family couldn't be arsed and your kids will have long-term health problems and cognitive deficits because of that.