Anonymous
05/06/2022 13:45
Subject: Re:Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, the dog senses your fear, and is reacting to it. Maybe it thinks you're going to attack it if it doesn't attack you first. Maybe, instead of treating the dog as a threat, try being nice to it for a change. Give it a wave and a smile, and bring treats for it. You'll gain a friend.
Is this a troll post? OP ignore them. I really can’t believe there are idiots like this. The dog is not under the owner’s control. The OP doesn’t need to alter her own behavior, in particular, in her OWN yard, to avoid being attacked by a dog. I am a dog owner and the person who wrote this is crazy. If a dog isn’t under an owner’s control then it should always be leashed/tied up.
If you're really a dog owner like you claim, and you treat your dogs the way you treat other posters, then you sound like an abusive owner.
DP. I just told my dog “I really can’t believe there are idiots out there who don’t leash their dogs. They are crazy. I am going to make sure you are always leashed”. She just wagged her tail then came over for scratches. Am I abusive? Does she just have a bad case of Stockholm syndrome?
The so-called “troll” has it right. OP needs to look in the mirror. Just as parents are held to a higher standard than children, so too all of us humans must be held to a higher standard than dogs. OP’s fear communicates aggression to the neighbor’s dog, and it responds in kind.
Thank you for this post. It should be pinned to this forum.
Here in Arlington the Animal Welfare League contracts with the County to provide so-called animal control services. But since AWLA answers to the pet-owner community, it always engages first in mediation before sanctioning the dog as a final resort. In mediation the dog owners can respond to hysterical anti-dog people in a supportive and understanding arena. The dog is truly innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It may mean occasional fence-hopping and biting and mauling occur, but most of the time things work out for the best.
Dog trainer here. This myth needs to die. No, dog aggression is NOT caused by people being afraid. I've seen OP's scenario happen many times before. People get a dog, throw it in the backyard, and don't socialize it (COVID is not an excuse, I socialized MANY dogs during COVID). The dog develops something called "barrier aggression" or "barrier frustration", where they can't get to something due to the fence and they react out of frustration. Over time this escalates into full-blown aggressive behavior. Half of the houses in my neighborhood have dogs like this, you go on a walk and dogs are throwing themselves at fences, snarling, barking, if there's 2 dogs often they'll start attacking each other.
People with these dogs need to either keep their dogs inside and get training (which they won't do, because let's be honest, if they couldn't be bothered to socialize their dog, they're not going to train it) or surrender it. Throwing a dog in a backyard with no social outlets is CRUEL.
Dogs are not humans, they are considered property and do not have the right of innocent until proven guilty. Mauling is unacceptable. Children being scared to go in their own backyard and getting killed is unacceptable. It drives me absolutely crazy that so many people (and rescues are often the worst offenders) think that dangerous dogs can live alongside humans with no problems. If an animal is a threat to humans, it needs to be exterminated. If a bear or coyote or mountain lion was charging people in their backyards, it would be euthanized.
The so-called "pro-dog" people are insane. I've seen dogs where they were so aggressive they put their owners in the hospital, and they still refused to take any action, thinking that either being loving or being "alpha" will fix the problem. It won't.
Anonymous
05/06/2022 12:21
Subject: Re:Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the neighbor isn't going to do anything unless you force their hand. You can suggest that they attach a hot wire to both the top and bottom pf the fence on their side. A small electric fence charger, a ground rod, standoffs and wire aren't going to break the bank and might deter the dog from digging under or climbing over the fence. I doubt they will be receptive though. Point a security camera at the back yard so that you will have a video to send to animal control the next time. Also, call and report any and all incidents to animal control.
Sorry but, that is cruel and there are other ways to control the dog than that.
Have you ever actually touched hotwire? We had to use it to protect our chickens from wild predators. It’s not excruciatingly painful, just enough to deter dangerous animals from hurting or killing.
I hope you don’t eat meat, because Hotwire is used to confine cattle. Or go to any zoos, because all the exhibits have Hotwire to keep wild animals out.
The things you mention are irrelevant. Cruel is cruel whether I visit zoos or eat meat. You don't have to be "pure" to call something out. I also think choke chains and e-collars are cruel.
I'm vegetarian and have my own chickens for eggs. No animals are tortured or killed because of me. Is it "cruel" for me to use hot wire to protect my hens from neighborhood dogs that escape? Or would it be less cruel for me to let them die? Or should O just buy factory farmed eggs from the store?
Examine yourself before calling out others. Hot wire is NOTHING compared to the cruelty that happens due to your need to eat food.
Anonymous
05/06/2022 12:19
Subject: Re:Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, the dog senses your fear, and is reacting to it. Maybe it thinks you're going to attack it if it doesn't attack you first. Maybe, instead of treating the dog as a threat, try being nice to it for a change. Give it a wave and a smile, and bring treats for it. You'll gain a friend.
Is this a troll post? OP ignore them. I really can’t believe there are idiots like this. The dog is not under the owner’s control. The OP doesn’t need to alter her own behavior, in particular, in her OWN yard, to avoid being attacked by a dog. I am a dog owner and the person who wrote this is crazy. If a dog isn’t under an owner’s control then it should always be leashed/tied up.
If you're really a dog owner like you claim, and you treat your dogs the way you treat other posters, then you sound like an abusive owner.
DP. I just told my dog “I really can’t believe there are idiots out there who don’t leash their dogs. They are crazy. I am going to make sure you are always leashed”. She just wagged her tail then came over for scratches. Am I abusive? Does she just have a bad case of Stockholm syndrome?
The so-called “troll” has it right. OP needs to look in the mirror. Just as parents are held to a higher standard than children, so too all of us humans must be held to a higher standard than dogs. OP’s fear communicates aggression to the neighbor’s dog, and it responds in kind.
Here in Arlington the Animal Welfare League contracts with the County to provide so-called animal control services. But since AWLA answers to the pet-owner community, it always engages first in mediation before sanctioning the dog as a final resort. In mediation the dog owners can respond to hysterical anti-dog people in a supportive and understanding arena. The dog is truly innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It may mean occasional fence-hopping and biting and mauling occur, but most of the time things work out for the best.
Dog trainer here. This myth needs to die. No, dog aggression is NOT caused by people being afraid. I've seen OP's scenario happen many times before. People get a dog, throw it in the backyard, and don't socialize it (COVID is not an excuse, I socialized MANY dogs during COVID). The dog develops something called "barrier aggression" or "barrier frustration", where they can't get to something due to the fence and they react out of frustration. Over time this escalates into full-blown aggressive behavior. Half of the houses in my neighborhood have dogs like this, you go on a walk and dogs are throwing themselves at fences, snarling, barking, if there's 2 dogs often they'll start attacking each other.
People with these dogs need to either keep their dogs inside and get training (which they won't do, because let's be honest, if they couldn't be bothered to socialize their dog, they're not going to train it) or surrender it. Throwing a dog in a backyard with no social outlets is CRUEL.
Dogs are not humans, they are considered property and do not have the right of innocent until proven guilty. Mauling is unacceptable. Children being scared to go in their own backyard and getting killed is unacceptable. It drives me absolutely crazy that so many people (and rescues are often the worst offenders) think that dangerous dogs can live alongside humans with no problems. If an animal is a threat to humans, it needs to be exterminated. If a bear or coyote or mountain lion was charging people in their backyards, it would be euthanized.
The so-called "pro-dog" people are insane. I've seen dogs where they were so aggressive they put their owners in the hospital, and they still refused to take any action, thinking that either being loving or being "alpha" will fix the problem. It won't.
Anonymous
05/06/2022 11:41
Subject: Re:Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the neighbor isn't going to do anything unless you force their hand. You can suggest that they attach a hot wire to both the top and bottom pf the fence on their side. A small electric fence charger, a ground rod, standoffs and wire aren't going to break the bank and might deter the dog from digging under or climbing over the fence. I doubt they will be receptive though. Point a security camera at the back yard so that you will have a video to send to animal control the next time. Also, call and report any and all incidents to animal control.
Sorry but, that is cruel and there are other ways to control the dog than that.
Have you ever actually touched hotwire? We had to use it to protect our chickens from wild predators. It’s not excruciatingly painful, just enough to deter dangerous animals from hurting or killing.
I hope you don’t eat meat, because Hotwire is used to confine cattle. Or go to any zoos, because all the exhibits have Hotwire to keep wild animals out.
The things you mention are irrelevant. Cruel is cruel whether I visit zoos or eat meat. You don't have to be "pure" to call something out. I also think choke chains and e-collars are cruel.
Anonymous
05/06/2022 11:39
Subject: Re:Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that was really scary, OP. We breed and train German Shepherd Dogs. I know how scary a dog running at you can be. Just a suggestion- Can you find out if the dog is truly aggressive? I worked with a large German Shepherd who would chase anything that moved, including people. But, once he caught them, all he wanted to do was play. I am NOT excusing the behavior. At all. But it does change the way you might proceed. A truly aggressive dog should never be tolerated. Maybe ask the neighbor to leash the dog while you assess? You might be surprised.
If the dog is aggressive, I would call animal control and report the incident.
Leaping a fence to run at a human, snarling, is aggressive. Not every aggressive dog is a killer. The dog may not have intended to maul OP, but its behavior is definitely aggressive.
Anonymous
05/06/2022 11:29
Subject: Re:Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the neighbor isn't going to do anything unless you force their hand. You can suggest that they attach a hot wire to both the top and bottom pf the fence on their side. A small electric fence charger, a ground rod, standoffs and wire aren't going to break the bank and might deter the dog from digging under or climbing over the fence. I doubt they will be receptive though. Point a security camera at the back yard so that you will have a video to send to animal control the next time. Also, call and report any and all incidents to animal control.
Sorry but, that is cruel
No it's not. Used for lots of livestock including horses. They learn.
It is cruel. https://crueltyfreesoul.com/are-electric-fences-cruel/there are other ways to control the dog than that.
Anonymous
05/06/2022 10:00
Subject: Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
OP I do dog rescue. Zero tolerance for this. Dangerous dogs give all dogs a bad rep. Glad you are taking decisive action.
Anonymous
05/06/2022 09:58
Subject: Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:I contacted animal control and sent them screenshots of my conversations with the neighbor about their dog.
Good luck! I hope it works out for you. That incident seemed scary.
Anonymous
05/06/2022 09:57
Subject: Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
I contacted animal control and sent them screenshots of my conversations with the neighbor about their dog.
Anonymous
05/06/2022 02:56
Subject: Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
OP again. I’ve been on my city’s Reddit. Tons of posts about loose dogs repeatedly chasing kids and other dogs. And animal control does very little even if they respond. Seems like until a dog manages to bite someone, it’s ignored.
Anonymous
05/06/2022 02:41
Subject: Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:I have been through a similar situation and put up with an aggressive dog for a long time, not wanting to rock the boat. I learned the hard way that an aggressive dog becomes emboldened. It ended up attacked my own small dog and my daughter, knocking her down and biting her on the neck, when she was walking down the street. Animal control took it away. Please do not wait a minute longer. It could end in real harm.
OP here. This is what really concerns me. I have a daughter who is very small for her age. When we were out for a walk in mid-March, the neighbor was walking the dog and I could see her eyeing my daughter and began to stand between them. The neighbor was talking about how the dog just hadn’t been “properly socialized because of Covid.” I told her I’d send her contact info for a dog behaviorist I has employed before. I sent it but I don’t think she’s contacted him or anyone else. My daughter is scared to walk out the kitchen door and get right into the car because the dog is constantly watching and barking at us in our kitchen. It can see us through the glass doors. My daughter repeats “don’t be scared, don’t be scared” to herself over and over.
I texted my neighbor as far back as January that her dog looked like it was going to get over the fence any day. A few weeks later she asked if she could try “introducing” me and the dog. I held out my hand for the dog to sniff and she snapped at my hand. I told the neighbor I was not doing that. And we have kept to ourselves and just ignored the dog. The dog has remained fixated on us.
When the dog got over the fence the other day, I tried talking to the neighbor and her husband about how very close the dog came to biting me. I asked them to seriously consider keeping this dog in a neighborhood with so many young children including their own. I was shut down and told it was their “decision as a family to work with the dog.” I think they are plum crazy. I told them they should seriously consider that the dog is a liability to their family. They were very defensive so I asked them to take a couple of days to really think on this. I told them if the situation were reversed, it would not be a difficult decision for me to rehome the dog. Today the husband started building the fence.
My husband doesn’t want me to make a report to animal control because he doesn’t want to escalate the tension. My husband and I aren’t sure it would do any good anyway. This isn’t the DMV and the city government is definitely lacking. Knowing me, I’m probably going to call AC anyway. As far as I’m concerned, the relationship with the neighbors is toast.
Anonymous
05/05/2022 23:11
Subject: Re:Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, the dog senses your fear, and is reacting to it. Maybe it thinks you're going to attack it if it doesn't attack you first. Maybe, instead of treating the dog as a threat, try being nice to it for a change. Give it a wave and a smile, and bring treats for it. You'll gain a friend.
Is this a troll post? OP ignore them. I really can’t believe there are idiots like this. The dog is not under the owner’s control. The OP doesn’t need to alter her own behavior, in particular, in her OWN yard, to avoid being attacked by a dog. I am a dog owner and the person who wrote this is crazy. If a dog isn’t under an owner’s control then it should always be leashed/tied up.
If you're really a dog owner like you claim, and you treat your dogs the way you treat other posters, then you sound like an abusive owner.
DP. I just told my dog “I really can’t believe there are idiots out there who don’t leash their dogs. They are crazy. I am going to make sure you are always leashed”. She just wagged her tail then came over for scratches. Am I abusive? Does she just have a bad case of Stockholm syndrome?
You didn't say to your dog what the PP said, and you know it. So yes, that makes you abusive, because you're a liar, and liars abuse the truth.
Anonymous
05/05/2022 22:23
Subject: Re:Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, the dog senses your fear, and is reacting to it. Maybe it thinks you're going to attack it if it doesn't attack you first. Maybe, instead of treating the dog as a threat, try being nice to it for a change. Give it a wave and a smile, and bring treats for it. You'll gain a friend.
Is this a troll post? OP ignore them. I really can’t believe there are idiots like this. The dog is not under the owner’s control. The OP doesn’t need to alter her own behavior, in particular, in her OWN yard, to avoid being attacked by a dog. I am a dog owner and the person who wrote this is crazy. If a dog isn’t under an owner’s control then it should always be leashed/tied up.
If you're really a dog owner like you claim, and you treat your dogs the way you treat other posters, then you sound like an abusive owner.
DP. I just told my dog “I really can’t believe there are idiots out there who don’t leash their dogs. They are crazy. I am going to make sure you are always leashed”. She just wagged her tail then came over for scratches. Am I abusive? Does she just have a bad case of Stockholm syndrome?
The so-called “troll” has it right. OP needs to look in the mirror. Just as parents are held to a higher standard than children, so too all of us humans must be held to a higher standard than dogs. OP’s fear communicates aggression to the neighbor’s dog, and it responds in kind.
Here in Arlington the Animal Welfare League contracts with the County to provide so-called animal control services. But since AWLA answers to the pet-owner community, it always engages first in mediation before sanctioning the dog as a final resort. In mediation the dog owners can respond to hysterical anti-dog people in a supportive and understanding arena. The dog is truly innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It may mean occasional fence-hopping and biting and mauling occur, but most of the time things work out for the best.
Anonymous
05/05/2022 17:36
Subject: Re:Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the neighbor isn't going to do anything unless you force their hand. You can suggest that they attach a hot wire to both the top and bottom pf the fence on their side. A small electric fence charger, a ground rod, standoffs and wire aren't going to break the bank and might deter the dog from digging under or climbing over the fence. I doubt they will be receptive though. Point a security camera at the back yard so that you will have a video to send to animal control the next time. Also, call and report any and all incidents to animal control.
Sorry but, that is cruel and there are other ways to control the dog than that.
No it's not. Used for lots of livestock including horses. They learn.
Anonymous
05/05/2022 15:17
Subject: Re:Neighbors dog came over the fence and came after me
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The dog's owner sounds negligent. Check the dog's paws. It's very likely that its nails are overgrown and are causing the aggressive behavior. If they can be trimmed, the dog will probably calm down and be the friendly playful dog that its owner claims it is.
Yes that's definitely it. Go over and check their paws.
Also, check the dog's belly. Is the rib cage visible? Then the dog is probably under fed and angry. Give it some food and it will calm down.
Why not check for ear mites, too? Shouldn't be a problem.
Op I hope you have called animal control by now.