Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 11:16     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:This whole post is confusing. There are plenty of summer swim teams out there that are not very competitive where your non-year round swimmer will be able to swim at A meets. It sounds like instead of finding one of those, you want to change the whole structure of summer swim to basically kick out kids who swim year round. Sorry, but life doesn’t work that way.

You have options - switch teams, get your child to swim faster, or just learn to enjoy it. You aren’t going to talk everyone into this whole new way of doing things. Especially since what you are suggesting is extremely unfair to kids who work hard.


+1 the entitlement is mind-boggling. "These kids are faster because they train more, so my kid has to swim b meets and our family is below that but also unwilling to put in the work it would take to swim faster." Ok. Many options here, but op chose complaining.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 11:03     Subject: Re:Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:For those kids that do year round swimming, how many days do your kids practice in the winter/spring? our kid is 6 and she does 1x a week during the fall/spring.


That is probably right amount for a 6 year old. My DD is 11 and swims 4x a week, Sept - May, and then they move to long course and its 3x a week, June - July.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 11:02     Subject: Re:Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:For those kids that do year round swimming, how many days do your kids practice in the winter/spring? our kid is 6 and she does 1x a week during the fall/spring.

My 10 year old swims 4x a week. When she first started club she was 9 and did 3x a week.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 11:01     Subject: Re:Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:For those kids that do year round swimming, how many days do your kids practice in the winter/spring? our kid is 6 and she does 1x a week during the fall/spring.


Our 10 year old swims 4 times a week during fall-spring. Five times a week during the summer.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:55     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that there needs to be a way to encourage summer only swimmers. If they can't ever get into the A meets because of the year round swimmers, the incentive is gone. That's why low key, small pools are fun because everyone has a chance to get into A meets. It's a doable thing.


Some “year round swimmers” are only year round because they swim once a week with a program offered by… their summer swim team.

Even if you were to bar year round swimmers from A meets, there would be kids who still don’t make A meets. What about them? If only everyone had a chance to swim at meets. Maybe teams could add a second meet every week and call it a B meet. That seems fair.

Lol, I don’t understand what people want, they have structured it so that the non year round kids can still compete and generally will be competing against other non year round kids. Apparently that is not good enough, they want Larlo to be in the meet for the faster swimmers, even though he is not fast?


Larlo is going to be crying at the end of his race, because he got beaten by the winter team kids so badly.

This isn't a situation where you can be "fair." Kids who swim year round are going to be stronger and faster. It develops pretty quickly by age 10 or so. You can't even than playing field because the summer only kids don't have the training. If it bothers you, then don't swim. Swimming is a very technical sport and it's a year round sport.

Or you can find one of the less competitive smaller pools and swim there. Whatever.


I definitely think spending a summer getting trounced in A meets would be the most disincentivizing thing, not competing in B meets and having the chance to place and get ribbons. I think this is a parent issue not a kid issue, the parents want to be able to say their kid swims in A meets. If you asked a kid would you rather swim and have a chance to win or place, or swim against stronger kids and lose every time, the kid is going to take the option where they have a chance to win or place.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:51     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
This whole post is confusing. There are plenty of summer swim teams out there that are not very competitive where your non-year round swimmer will be able to swim at A meets. It sounds like instead of finding one of those, you want to change the whole structure of summer swim to basically kick out kids who swim year round. Sorry, but life doesn’t work that way.

You have options - switch teams, get your child to swim faster, or just learn to enjoy it. You aren’t going to talk everyone into this whole new way of doing things. Especially since what you are suggesting is extremely unfair to kids who work hard.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:48     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that there needs to be a way to encourage summer only swimmers. If they can't ever get into the A meets because of the year round swimmers, the incentive is gone. That's why low key, small pools are fun because everyone has a chance to get into A meets. It's a doable thing.


Some “year round swimmers” are only year round because they swim once a week with a program offered by… their summer swim team.

Even if you were to bar year round swimmers from A meets, there would be kids who still don’t make A meets. What about them? If only everyone had a chance to swim at meets. Maybe teams could add a second meet every week and call it a B meet. That seems fair.

Lol, I don’t understand what people want, they have structured it so that the non year round kids can still compete and generally will be competing against other non year round kids. Apparently that is not good enough, they want Larlo to be in the meet for the faster swimmers, even though he is not fast?


Larlo is going to be crying at the end of his race, because he got beaten by the winter team kids so badly.

This isn't a situation where you can be "fair." Kids who swim year round are going to be stronger and faster. It develops pretty quickly by age 10 or so. You can't even than playing field because the summer only kids don't have the training. If it bothers you, then don't swim. Swimming is a very technical sport and it's a year round sport.

Or you can find one of the less competitive smaller pools and swim there. Whatever.

Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:43     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that there needs to be a way to encourage summer only swimmers. If they can't ever get into the A meets because of the year round swimmers, the incentive is gone. That's why low key, small pools are fun because everyone has a chance to get into A meets. It's a doable thing.


Some “year round swimmers” are only year round because they swim once a week with a program offered by… their summer swim team.

Even if you were to bar year round swimmers from A meets, there would be kids who still don’t make A meets. What about them? If only everyone had a chance to swim at meets. Maybe teams could add a second meet every week and call it a B meet. That seems fair.

Lol, I don’t understand what people want, they have structured it so that the non year round kids can still compete and generally will be competing against other non year round kids. Apparently that is not good enough, they want Larlo to be in the meet for the faster swimmers, even though he is not fast?
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:31     Subject: Re:Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
For those kids that do year round swimming, how many days do your kids practice in the winter/spring? our kid is 6 and she does 1x a week during the fall/spring.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:21     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that there needs to be a way to encourage summer only swimmers. If they can't ever get into the A meets because of the year round swimmers, the incentive is gone. That's why low key, small pools are fun because everyone has a chance to get into A meets. It's a doable thing.


Some “year round swimmers” are only year round because they swim once a week with a program offered by… their summer swim team.

Even if you were to bar year round swimmers from A meets, there would be kids who still don’t make A meets. What about them? If only everyone had a chance to swim at meets. Maybe teams could add a second meet every week and call it a B meet. That seems fair.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:12     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that there needs to be a way to encourage summer only swimmers. If they can't ever get into the A meets because of the year round swimmers, the incentive is gone. That's why low key, small pools are fun because everyone has a chance to get into A meets. It's a doable thing.


Most of the B only swimmers at our pool LOVE summer swim. They come back every single year all through high school. Why? Because summer swim is FUN. It's a chance to hang out at the pool with friends, get some exercise, and have a great time. I'm sure some of them probably wish they could occasionally make an A meet but they swim every summer regardless. Some are athletes focused on other sports. Others aren't athletes at all, but do summer swim because it is fun and low key.

Our team has 200 kids. Only a small fraction will be swimming A meets this year but it's still all one team.

Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:10     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that there needs to be a way to encourage summer only swimmers. If they can't ever get into the A meets because of the year round swimmers, the incentive is gone. That's why low key, small pools are fun because everyone has a chance to get into A meets. It's a doable thing.


There is. It’s called doing well in your b meet swim. If your b meet time is good enough they will move you up. This is a seriously confused parent probably of a very young child.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:09     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course the kids who practice 100 days a week will dominate. I go to a pressure cooker swim team pool. The summer kids mostly swim in B meets. They are still on the team and have fun.


It’s just unfair and it doesn’t incentivize the summer swim kiddos!!


Whoever you are. This is life. It’s totally fair. It’s called competition. The kids who study more do better. The kids who do more athletics are more athletic. How do you get through any day of life? Your problem is that you don’t feel comfortable not being at the top and don’t like seeing people better than you. That’s an internal issue to work out. Regarding swim is your kid improving and having fun and feeling part of the team? If so it’s a win in most parent’s books. What you are feeling is jealousy. Which you probably have in other areas of your life.


And btw there are not tons of teachers who get a high from coaching your very average swimmer. Someone else with a better mindset would realize hey I have a great coach/coaches and competitive swimmers for my kid even though he/she is not that great a swimmer.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:09     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
I think the issue is that there needs to be a way to encourage summer only swimmers. If they can't ever get into the A meets because of the year round swimmers, the incentive is gone. That's why low key, small pools are fun because everyone has a chance to get into A meets. It's a doable thing.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 10:05     Subject: Do winter swim kids dominate summer swim?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course the kids who practice 100 days a week will dominate. I go to a pressure cooker swim team pool. The summer kids mostly swim in B meets. They are still on the team and have fun.


It’s just unfair and it doesn’t incentivize the summer swim kiddos!!


Whoever you are. This is life. It’s totally fair. It’s called competition. The kids who study more do better. The kids who do more athletics are more athletic. How do you get through any day of life? Your problem is that you don’t feel comfortable not being at the top and don’t like seeing people better than you. That’s an internal issue to work out. Regarding swim is your kid improving and having fun and feeling part of the team? If so it’s a win in most parent’s books. What you are feeling is jealousy. Which you probably have in other areas of your life.