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Anonymous wrote:Would you take your child out of MCPS if there was a private school voucher program so Montgomery County residents had school choice?

Sure, if you want to ruin any chance of an average family getting their kids a great education.

yeah, giving families MORE choice really ruins that

Go lurk on the DCPS board and tell me if more choice is creating better outcomes. I lived and worked in DC and I did not see a lot of positive outcomes from charters /school lottery unless you got a really good number or sibling preference. There was also a lot of situations where parents would be hopping from one school to the other or school is playing Hot potato to try and get rid of students

This describes our entire experience with DCPS. I don't blame the families seeking the best outcomes for their kids, but every year my child was in school there, their friends left for better lottery picks. Every single year. And of the half of their class that remained in their charter school? Half again mysteriously vanished mid-year.

I remember one kid, I used to volunteer and he and I were friends. He was really smart but he wasn't doing well academically and he had some behavior stuff--nothing worse than my own ASD kid, really. (Who at the time was undxed) But he was less blonde and his parents were less rich. One day he came up to me. He looked like he'd been crying.

"I wanted to say good-bye," he said.

I didn't really get it. The principal (who would be fired herself n six months) was hovering behind him and so were his parents. I smiled and said bye. I think I knew, but I wanted to be wrong.

That was his last day. I never found out why.

I think of him and the other kids that left that school mid-year a lot, actually. I also think of my daughter's classmates who graduated with her. We moved to MD. They all ended up at T3 charter middle schools. A few of those schools were closed in the next few years, meaning they'd change again. One girl did lottery into Latin.

She got the golden ticket.

Anonymous wrote:"is it time to push a new controversial topic in Moco to see if we sow some division and discord?" asked Kenny, the new intern at the Federalist who was looking for something to do besides himself in the men's bathroom.

Yep!

Anonymous wrote:No, as most private schools are $50K, so even $10K barely makes a dent. They aren't going to have vouchers so keep dreaming. And, we don't have enough private schools with space to make that work.

It’s a rich get richer scheme, essentially.

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Anonymous wrote:YES, please. Students and parents deserve a choice.

MCPS is SO dysfunctional. Feels like it is beyond repair.

You already have a choice to send kids private.

MCPS is still a top 1% school system nationwide

Charter Schools are by and large a failure, voucher programs are more giveaways for privates and those who seek to destroy government and the administrative state like insurrectionist Steve Bannon, and the ROI on privates is 0. So no

Only if you are wealthy. Why is it that just the wealthy get 'school choice' in Montgomery County. Let's have school choice for ALL families.

Again there are almost no private secular schools in the area that would be affordable with a voucher alone. We are talking about tuition in the neighborhood of 20,000 to $40,000 so even if you were able to get a $10,000 to $15,000 voucher you would still have to pay the extra. Maybe you should look into scholarships if you cannot afford private school

Which is why people like me will strenuously vote against using tax dollars to support private schools for the wealthy.

Anonymous wrote:No. I don't think that private schools are better than MCPS.

However, if there are private magnet schools under the supervision of MCPS and state education department, and if they can take MCPS kids who are magnet material but are rejected because they have a cohort in their home school, and MCPS can demonstrate quantitatively that they are top students - I am all for the voucher for these students.

Also, if there is a private special ed school that is extremely good and under MCPS supervision and state education department, and MCPS can objectively demonstrate that some MCPS student will be well served in such a school - I am all for the voucher for these students too.

In the case of both kinds of students - there has to be also a high income threshold of perhaps 300K. And a voucher of not more than 10K.

Each year, MCPS and MD dept of educatuon, must evaluate the student as well as the school to give out the voucher.

So you want schools that both don't exist and would never have enough revenue to exist.

No. I don't think that private schools are better than MCPS.

However, if there are private magnet schools under the supervision of MCPS and state education department, and if they can take MCPS kids who are magnet material but are rejected because they have a cohort in their home school, and MCPS can demonstrate quantitatively that they are top students - I am all for the voucher for these students.

Also, if there is a private special ed school that is extremely good and under MCPS supervision and state education department, and MCPS can objectively demonstrate that some MCPS student will be well served in such a school - I am all for the voucher for these students too.

In the case of both kinds of students - there has to be also a high income threshold of perhaps 300K. And a voucher of not more than 10K.

Each year, MCPS and MD dept of educatuon, must evaluate the student as well as the school to give out the voucher.

Anonymous wrote:Until I read these posts I never realized how many private schools that cost 15k are poised to offer space and services for so many kids with ieps? How do they do it, you ask?

Magic, one assumes.

Supposedly the almighty invisible hand of the market is just poised to create these schools.

One point that people don't also realize is that $15,000 per student is going to have to cover not just teacher salaries and supplies but rent or mortgage on a building. In DC most of the charters do not operate out of a traditional School building but out of a church or office building. If they have their own building they often did so because they fundraised like crazy to get that building

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Anonymous wrote:Would you take your child out of MCPS if there was a private school voucher program so Montgomery County residents had school choice?

Sure, if you want to ruin any chance of an average family getting their kids a great education.

yeah, giving families MORE choice really ruins that

Go lurk on the DCPS board and tell me if more choice is creating better outcomes. I lived and worked in DC and I did not see a lot of positive outcomes from charters /school lottery unless you got a really good number or sibling preference. There was also a lot of situations where parents would be hopping from one school to the other or school is playing Hot potato to try and get rid of students

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Anonymous wrote:YES, please. Students and parents deserve a choice.

MCPS is SO dysfunctional. Feels like it is beyond repair.

You already have a choice to send kids private.

MCPS is still a top 1% school system nationwide

Charter Schools are by and large a failure, voucher programs are more giveaways for privates and those who seek to destroy government and the administrative state like insurrectionist Steve Bannon, and the ROI on privates is 0. So no

Only if you are wealthy. Why is it that just the wealthy get 'school choice' in Montgomery County. Let's have school choice for ALL families.

Again there are almost no private secular schools in the area that would be affordable with a voucher alone. We are talking about tuition in the neighborhood of 20,000 to $40,000 so even if you were able to get a $10,000 to $15,000 voucher you would still have to pay the extra. Maybe you should look into scholarships if you cannot afford private school

Until I read these posts I never realized how many private schools that cost 15k are poised to offer space and services for so many kids with ieps? How do they do it, you ask?

Magic, one assumes.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you take your child out of MCPS if there was a private school voucher program so Montgomery County residents had school choice?

Sure, if you want to ruin any chance of an average family getting their kids a great education.

yeah, giving families MORE choice really ruins that

Again, please provide a list of secular private schools that will accept the voucher for the entire tuition.
Maybe add to that the number of available openings.
Are you really suggesting that if ALL families want private school choices, the options are there?

why would there be a list for something that does not yet exist?

How about this just give us a list of secular schools that have a tuition that is less than or equal to $16,000. Most private schools in the area are super expensive if they're not being subsidized by the Catholic church

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Anonymous wrote:Yes - I’ll take a voucher. DD is a 2e and has an IEP which MCPS isn’t even trying to follow. And it’s not super complicated.

A voucher for private would be cheaper for them than having to go to court. (And me…and my kid who is an emotional wreck from not getting support she needs.)

I've seen posts by people who said they moved to MCPS out of private because the private couldn't accommodate the SN. Public schools are required to offer IEP. Privates are not.

So, not sure why you think a private school would be better at providing the IEP.

There are a handful of private schools in the area that are specifically for students with special needs and everybody who attends to school has an IEP but there is not the economy of scale to accommodate thousands of children

The issue is that MCPS does not spent $16K on each kid. They spend significantly more on certain kids and much less on others.

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Anonymous wrote:This topic always makes me laugh. What is the most liberal place on the planet? Many would say the Netherlands. Legalized pot. Prostitution, legal. Free needles for addicts. And yep - direct pay (vouchers) for parents to choose their schools. The takoma Park crowd never takes liberalism to its logical conclusion with education. If you simply voucher the 16,000 per student MCPS supposedly pays to educate our kids in a supersized, filthy school (here’s looking at you Wootton) kids would largely be better off. But it proves MCPS is a Democratic Party jobs program more than an education system. Hard to fathom 3 billion a year to fund such a poor excuse of an education system but here we are. Public schools need to exist but be much smaller and more responsive. Never going to happen with powers that be in the county.

Post a list of private, secular schools that kids can attend for 16,000.

Dp who homeschools. I could do so much with that $$.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you take your child out of MCPS if there was a private school voucher program so Montgomery County residents had school choice?

Sure, if you want to ruin any chance of an average family getting their kids a great education.

Wait, what? Average kids in MCPS are not getting a 'great education'. Not on your life. Most are barely even getting an 'adequate education'.

Says an anonymous DCUM poster

No. That’s what the recent MCAP scores show. It’s what data on the MCPS website itself shows.