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Anonymous wrote:I saw today two groups of kids around 3 and under near Western Avenue. It was a sad scene. One group the kids were fully masked sitting on a brick wall literally doing nothing, while three providers were looking at their phone. The other group of kids fully masked (covered nearly the entirety of their little faces) on the lawn doing next to nothing while their two caregivers sat on a bench and on their phones and talking to each other. None of the kids were engaging with the caregivers, but yep, they were fully masked.

I would start caring about other matters. I shudder to think of the learning delays these kids will have.

This has nothing to do with masking. This is a bad day care/teacher situation. Even if they weren't masked they wouldn't be engaging the kids.

It’s bad in a number of respects, including masking outdoors. It was like their mouths were taped shut.

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Anonymous wrote:curious what this mental health condition is that developed suddenly at age 2? as a mental health provider, we have always had huge waitlists unfortunately. More of my patients (older than daycare) are nervous about schools going mask optional than about wearing masks.

and fully agree the 3 hours of unmasked lunch/nap is a recipe for covid spread. that's why I know many people picking their kids up at lunch/nap time.

I don’t know anyone at our daycare picking their kids up for lunch/nap. That’s like half the day- how would parents work? We’ve had one case in my kids’ daycare classes in 1.5 years, so despite this “recipe for spread”, the doomsday scenario hasn’t materialized.

It’s amazing that in such a highly educated area that parents are nervous about getting rid of useless cloth face coverings that are going off and in all day.

People reveal their privilege when they make statements like this about childcare as if the typical family has that kind of flexibility.

Unfortunately the pandemic has normalized parents transferring their anxiety onto their small children. It has also normalized making broad-ranging assumptions about the needs, temperament, and abilities of other people's children. We accept a wide range for potty training but expect mask compliance at 24 months.

+1

For low-income parents, no day care often means no pay
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/02/22/child-care-covid-inequality/

If poorly worn cloth masks are reducing the spread of Covid in daycare they should keep the masks. But that seems highly, highly unlikely.

It's variant dependent. The masks on kids worked well for alpha and delta strains. Didn't work great on omicron.

There's also the case of the teachers/caregivers - you can't force them to take off their masks. I expect them to keep on the masks a lot longer than the kids.

Most kids probably got it outside day care from parents or social interactions.

Anonymous wrote:I saw today two groups of kids around 3 and under near Western Avenue. It was a sad scene. One group the kids were fully masked sitting on a brick wall literally doing nothing, while three providers were looking at their phone. The other group of kids fully masked (covered nearly the entirety of their little faces) on the lawn doing next to nothing while their two caregivers sat on a bench and on their phones and talking to each other. None of the kids were engaging with the caregivers, but yep, they were fully masked.

I would start caring about other matters. I shudder to think of the learning delays these kids will have.

This has nothing to do with masking. This is a bad day care/teacher situation. Even if they weren't masked they wouldn't be engaging the kids.

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Anonymous wrote:curious what this mental health condition is that developed suddenly at age 2? as a mental health provider, we have always had huge waitlists unfortunately. More of my patients (older than daycare) are nervous about schools going mask optional than about wearing masks.

and fully agree the 3 hours of unmasked lunch/nap is a recipe for covid spread. that's why I know many people picking their kids up at lunch/nap time.

Not gonna share those specifics, sorry. If you don't believe me, I don't care. You obviously don't have the power to change anything even if you were willing to spend a little time thinking about the impact of masking the young children that you yourself admit you don't work with .

Very few kids have real mental health issues at age 2.

That's what I thought but.two different therapists have diagnosed her with the same condition. It's not common but from what I am hearing more kids are presenting with it.

Maybe you are the problem.

Yup mental issues are always the parents fault, right?

This is a two year old. And the parents blame masking? They don't even consider it may be a bad school fit or something else.

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There's also the case of the teachers/caregivers - you can't force them to take off their masks. I expect them to keep on the masks a lot longer than the kids.

Btw, one of the most offensive things I see in DCUM is people using other groups (often BIPOC or low income people) to advance their interests. You do not know what the totality of child care workers want. Stop trying to speak for them you patronizing little twat.

While I have seen one or two posters that want teachers to stop wearing masks, most of us want masks to be OPTIONAL. That means teachers can wear the masks if they want to.

You sound triggered. You’re the only one who brought race into this.

Like I said, they are more likely to remain masked is. You gonna rip it off the teacher’s face when you send Aiden and Charlotte in without a mask?

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There's also the case of the teachers/caregivers - you can't force them to take off their masks. I expect them to keep on the masks a lot longer than the kids.

Btw, one of the most offensive things I see in DCUM is people using other groups (often BIPOC or low income people) to advance their interests. You do not know what the totality of child care workers want. Stop trying to speak for them you patronizing little twat.

While I have seen one or two posters that want teachers to stop wearing masks, most of us want masks to be OPTIONAL. That means teachers can wear the masks if they want to.

I saw today two groups of kids around 3 and under near Western Avenue. It was a sad scene. One group the kids were fully masked sitting on a brick wall literally doing nothing, while three providers were looking at their phone. The other group of kids fully masked (covered nearly the entirety of their little faces) on the lawn doing next to nothing while their two caregivers sat on a bench and on their phones and talking to each other. None of the kids were engaging with the caregivers, but yep, they were fully masked.

I would start caring about other matters. I shudder to think of the learning delays these kids will have.

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Anonymous wrote:curious what this mental health condition is that developed suddenly at age 2? as a mental health provider, we have always had huge waitlists unfortunately. More of my patients (older than daycare) are nervous about schools going mask optional than about wearing masks.

and fully agree the 3 hours of unmasked lunch/nap is a recipe for covid spread. that's why I know many people picking their kids up at lunch/nap time.

I don’t know anyone at our daycare picking their kids up for lunch/nap. That’s like half the day- how would parents work? We’ve had one case in my kids’ daycare classes in 1.5 years, so despite this “recipe for spread”, the doomsday scenario hasn’t materialized.

It’s amazing that in such a highly educated area that parents are nervous about getting rid of useless cloth face coverings that are going off and in all day.

People reveal their privilege when they make statements like this about childcare as if the typical family has that kind of flexibility.

Unfortunately the pandemic has normalized parents transferring their anxiety onto their small children. It has also normalized making broad-ranging assumptions about the needs, temperament, and abilities of other people's children. We accept a wide range for potty training but expect mask compliance at 24 months.

+1

For low-income parents, no day care often means no pay
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/02/22/child-care-covid-inequality/

If poorly worn cloth masks are reducing the spread of Covid in daycare they should keep the masks. But that seems highly, highly unlikely.

It's variant dependent. The masks on kids worked well for alpha and delta strains. Didn't work great on omicron.

There's also the case of the teachers/caregivers - you can't force them to take off their masks. I expect them to keep on the masks a lot longer than the kids.

I'm sorry, but there is barely any good data (from randomized studies, not the garbage study on masking that the CDC is pushing) on masking in general and what we do have raises serious questions about how well cloth masks worked in the general population pre Delta. As worn by toddlers in child care settings it just doesn't even remotely possible to me that they have played any significant role in preventing Covid spread.

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Anonymous wrote:curious what this mental health condition is that developed suddenly at age 2? as a mental health provider, we have always had huge waitlists unfortunately. More of my patients (older than daycare) are nervous about schools going mask optional than about wearing masks.

and fully agree the 3 hours of unmasked lunch/nap is a recipe for covid spread. that's why I know many people picking their kids up at lunch/nap time.

I don’t know anyone at our daycare picking their kids up for lunch/nap. That’s like half the day- how would parents work? We’ve had one case in my kids’ daycare classes in 1.5 years, so despite this “recipe for spread”, the doomsday scenario hasn’t materialized.

It’s amazing that in such a highly educated area that parents are nervous about getting rid of useless cloth face coverings that are going off and in all day.

People reveal their privilege when they make statements like this about childcare as if the typical family has that kind of flexibility.

Unfortunately the pandemic has normalized parents transferring their anxiety onto their small children. It has also normalized making broad-ranging assumptions about the needs, temperament, and abilities of other people's children. We accept a wide range for potty training but expect mask compliance at 24 months.

+1

For low-income parents, no day care often means no pay
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/02/22/child-care-covid-inequality/

If poorly worn cloth masks are reducing the spread of Covid in daycare they should keep the masks. But that seems highly, highly unlikely.

It's variant dependent. The masks on kids worked well for alpha and delta strains. Didn't work great on omicron.

There's also the case of the teachers/caregivers - you can't force them to take off their masks. I expect them to keep on the masks a lot longer than the kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:curious what this mental health condition is that developed suddenly at age 2? as a mental health provider, we have always had huge waitlists unfortunately. More of my patients (older than daycare) are nervous about schools going mask optional than about wearing masks.

and fully agree the 3 hours of unmasked lunch/nap is a recipe for covid spread. that's why I know many people picking their kids up at lunch/nap time.

I don’t know anyone at our daycare picking their kids up for lunch/nap. That’s like half the day- how would parents work? We’ve had one case in my kids’ daycare classes in 1.5 years, so despite this “recipe for spread”, the doomsday scenario hasn’t materialized.

It’s amazing that in such a highly educated area that parents are nervous about getting rid of useless cloth face coverings that are going off and in all day.

People reveal their privilege when they make statements like this about childcare as if the typical family has that kind of flexibility.

Unfortunately the pandemic has normalized parents transferring their anxiety onto their small children. It has also normalized making broad-ranging assumptions about the needs, temperament, and abilities of other people's children. We accept a wide range for potty training but expect mask compliance at 24 months.

+1

For low-income parents, no day care often means no pay
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/02/22/child-care-covid-inequality/

If poorly worn cloth masks are reducing the spread of Covid in daycare they should keep the masks. But that seems highly, highly unlikely.

I think this might be our daycare - we recently did a survey about masking and "the future of the pandemic" a few weeks ago, but I haven't seen the results.

Our kid's daycare colds, coughs, and croup have declined significantly since he started masking in September (when he graduated to the 2's). That said, our entire household got Omicron in late January. Nearly his entire class was infected. And this is a daycare program that is very good about masking.

So yeah, masking little kids won't stop Omicron or a future variant with similar transmissibility. But his lack of colds and croup have been amazing. We didn't have one close exposure/quarantine in the fall semester or bout of illness - it was incredible.

We are also low-key pro-masking. We are not going to get noisy about it, but we also don't wear a mask outside or at the playground. Given our recent infection, we are enjoying letting down our guard a bit for the next month or two.

That said, we answered in the survey that we support continued masking. The silent majority is speaking.

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Anonymous wrote:curious what this mental health condition is that developed suddenly at age 2? as a mental health provider, we have always had huge waitlists unfortunately. More of my patients (older than daycare) are nervous about schools going mask optional than about wearing masks.

and fully agree the 3 hours of unmasked lunch/nap is a recipe for covid spread. that's why I know many people picking their kids up at lunch/nap time.

I don’t know anyone at our daycare picking their kids up for lunch/nap. That’s like half the day- how would parents work? We’ve had one case in my kids’ daycare classes in 1.5 years, so despite this “recipe for spread”, the doomsday scenario hasn’t materialized.

It’s amazing that in such a highly educated area that parents are nervous about getting rid of useless cloth face coverings that are going off and in all day.

People reveal their privilege when they make statements like this about childcare as if the typical family has that kind of flexibility.

Unfortunately the pandemic has normalized parents transferring their anxiety onto their small children. It has also normalized making broad-ranging assumptions about the needs, temperament, and abilities of other people's children. We accept a wide range for potty training but expect mask compliance at 24 months.

In DC masks mandates have not been outlawed yet so you have no choice

Anonymous wrote:curious what this mental health condition is that developed suddenly at age 2? as a mental health provider, we have always had huge waitlists unfortunately. More of my patients (older than daycare) are nervous about schools going mask optional than about wearing masks.

and fully agree the 3 hours of unmasked lunch/nap is a recipe for covid spread. that's why I know many people picking their kids up at lunch/nap time.

I don’t know anyone at our daycare picking their kids up for lunch/nap. That’s like half the day- how would parents work? We’ve had one case in my kids’ daycare classes in 1.5 years, so despite this “recipe for spread”, the doomsday scenario hasn’t materialized.

It’s amazing that in such a highly educated area that parents are nervous about getting rid of useless cloth face coverings that are going off and in all day.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:curious what this mental health condition is that developed suddenly at age 2? as a mental health provider, we have always had huge waitlists unfortunately. More of my patients (older than daycare) are nervous about schools going mask optional than about wearing masks.

and fully agree the 3 hours of unmasked lunch/nap is a recipe for covid spread. that's why I know many people picking their kids up at lunch/nap time.

Not gonna share those specifics, sorry. If you don't believe me, I don't care. You obviously don't have the power to change anything even if you were willing to spend a little time thinking about the impact of masking the young children that you yourself admit you don't work with .

Very few kids have real mental health issues at age 2.

That's what I thought but.two different therapists have diagnosed her with the same condition. It's not common but from what I am hearing more kids are presenting with it.

Maybe you are the problem.

Yup mental issues are always the parents fault, right?