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Anonymous wrote:Now the crazy states are working on allowing for alternate electors just because they don’t like how their citizens voted

Nobody sees a serious problem here? Our citizens are not supposed to have their votes overruled. We don’t have election by state legislatures

If it was really happening like that wouldn’t the democrats who control Congress and the president act?

What do you think the voting rights bill covered? WTF; do some of you just spend your days huffing paint…?

If the republicans were in the same spot as the democrats are right now, they would have already passed and sign the bill in to law. It’s a lack of will by the democrats at this point. Manchin and company are happy.

This was the plan.

Under Eastman's scheme, Pence would have declared Trump the winner with more Electoral College votes after the seven states were thrown out, at 232 votes to 222. Anticipating "howls" from Democrats protesting the overturning of the election, the memo proposes, Pence would instead say that no candidate had reached 270 votes in the Electoral College. That would throw the election to the House of Representatives, where each state would get one vote. Since Republicans controlled 26 state delegations, a majority could vote for Trump to win the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/politics/trump-pence-election-memo/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:Now the crazy states are working on allowing for alternate electors just because they don’t like how their citizens voted

Nobody sees a serious problem here? Our citizens are not supposed to have their votes overruled. We don’t have election by state legislatures

If it was really happening like that wouldn’t the democrats who control Congress and the president act?

What do you think the voting rights bill covered? WTF; do some of you just spend your days huffing paint…?

Anonymous wrote:Now the crazy states are working on allowing for alternate electors just because they don’t like how their citizens voted

Nobody sees a serious problem here? Our citizens are not supposed to have their votes overruled. We don’t have election by state legislatures

If it was really happening like that wouldn’t the democrats who control Congress and the president act?

Now the crazy states are working on allowing for alternate electors just because they don’t like how their citizens voted

Nobody sees a serious problem here? Our citizens are not supposed to have their votes overruled. We don’t have election by state legislatures

Anonymous wrote:Pence does not certified the election, new pro trump state delegates from states Biden won are accepted and the Supreme Court rules in favor of trump or something similar and Trump stays in office. What would have happened next? Does everyone just go along with it? If there were protest trump would have deployed the army and friendly states’ nationals guard to restore order with mass arrest. Maybe there are no protest? How do you see it playing out?

Those are a lot of long-shot things, not just one. Pence had a ceremonial role, he didn’t certify the election and didn’t have authority to stop it from happening. Congress would vote on any contested states, as they did, and approve the state-certified returns. There were no alternate electors certified by any state. The contested states all certified Biden. The Supreme Court can’t throw out the whole election even if they want to. They have to have legitimate cases coming up from the federal and state courts challenging specific state elections and there were none. The only way Trump could have stayed was a fascist military coup but the military leadership was never on board.

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Yes, he was planning being in power after the Constitutionally mandated expiration of office.

He was planning on a third and fourth term.

He can’t. He has no power as of January 20. If no other president is approved Pelosi would have been sworn in. End of story.

He would have claimed the alternate slate was valid and as such he was still president.

But if the slate was not accepted by Congress, he can say what he wants but he has no power as of noon on 1/20.

You know what is funny. Some lawyer at the White House drafted that executive order and put the 60 days in knowing that Trump would be out and not be in power so the whole thing would not matter.

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SCOTUS has come out with two radical decisions in the past few weeks.

First is essentially laying the foundation for overturning settled law. If the GOP is so hellbent on making abortion illegal, then they should pass a law to that extent. Otherwise, the freedom for a woman to manage her body should supersede.

Second, the SCOTUS has basically said the government doesn't have the legal ability to protect the health and safety of workers in this country, despite the US Constitution specifically given that right at the top of the document.

Let’s be real. There is no freedom to manage your body in the Constitution. Roe may have been right morally but there is no basis for it. And even in a crisis our whole system is based on the notion of limits to government power. Biden had no authority even if is the right decision. You know who has the authority with both of these issues: Congress. Put abortion aside. Congress could pass a law that gave Biden the power to issue that order. They could do it today. It would be constitutional. But they have not.

DP here. Congress did pass the law. It's called the Occupational Health and Safety Act which establishes the Occupational Health and Safety Administration. SCOTUS ruled that OSHA has no authority to regulate hazards that are present both within and outside a workplace, overturning the vaccine mandates. This is BS, since OSHA absolutely regulates things like fire safety. Last I checked, fires can happen pretty much anywhere.

I guess OSHA can no long do this. The Feds should just stop enforcing OSHA regulations. At some point don’t you have to give the Supreme Court what it wants? Biden should have a press conference and say the Supreme Court says we have no power to enforce OSHA regulations. See how that goes over.

Come on. The supreme court said that the president had no authority to make such a blanket rule. Same as OSHA cannot apply steel mill procedures in office just because those procedures are better. OSHA can't apply fire regulation applicable to an oil refinery at a construction site.

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Yes, he was planning being in power after the Constitutionally mandated expiration of office.

He was planning on a third and fourth term.

He can’t. He has no power as of January 20. If no other president is approved Pelosi would have been sworn in. End of story.

He would have claimed the alternate slate was valid and as such he was still president.

But if the slate was not accepted by Congress, he can say what he wants but he has no power as of noon on 1/20.

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Anonymous wrote:+1

SCOTUS has come out with two radical decisions in the past few weeks.

First is essentially laying the foundation for overturning settled law. If the GOP is so hellbent on making abortion illegal, then they should pass a law to that extent. Otherwise, the freedom for a woman to manage her body should supersede.

Second, the SCOTUS has basically said the government doesn't have the legal ability to protect the health and safety of workers in this country, despite the US Constitution specifically given that right at the top of the document.

Let’s be real. There is no freedom to manage your body in the Constitution. Roe may have been right morally but there is no basis for it. And even in a crisis our whole system is based on the notion of limits to government power. Biden had no authority even if is the right decision. You know who has the authority with both of these issues: Congress. Put abortion aside. Congress could pass a law that gave Biden the power to issue that order. They could do it today. It would be constitutional. But they have not.

re: the bolded...yes, which is why the government should have NO role in managing women's bodies. This is the core hypocricy to the GOP position on abortion.

I agree with you! The federal government has no role in managing women's bodies. That is up to the states.

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Anonymous wrote:If Pence did not certify and no one was certified, Pelosi becomes President on 1/20/21. Trump’s term ends.

If a new slate of electors came from a state and pence and congress accepted? Trump president. Not a coup. That is how the process works.

Supreme Court has no jurisdiction to review this.

And when the alternate slate is fraudulently created a and certified as it turns out is the case in 2020?

The alternate slate --- if certified by the state can't be fraudulent.

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Anonymous wrote:+1

SCOTUS has come out with two radical decisions in the past few weeks.

First is essentially laying the foundation for overturning settled law. If the GOP is so hellbent on making abortion illegal, then they should pass a law to that extent. Otherwise, the freedom for a woman to manage her body should supersede.

Second, the SCOTUS has basically said the government doesn't have the legal ability to protect the health and safety of workers in this country, despite the US Constitution specifically given that right at the top of the document.

Let’s be real. There is no freedom to manage your body in the Constitution. Roe may have been right morally but there is no basis for it. And even in a crisis our whole system is based on the notion of limits to government power. Biden had no authority even if is the right decision. You know who has the authority with both of these issues: Congress. Put abortion aside. Congress could pass a law that gave Biden the power to issue that order. They could do it today. It would be constitutional. But they have not.

DP here. Congress did pass the law. It's called the Occupational Health and Safety Act which establishes the Occupational Health and Safety Administration. SCOTUS ruled that OSHA has no authority to regulate hazards that are present both within and outside a workplace, overturning the vaccine mandates. This is BS, since OSHA absolutely regulates things like fire safety. Last I checked, fires can happen pretty much anywhere.

Not BS. No one thought Biden's order would pass muster. That law does not give him this type of indiscriminate power. It doesn't regulate fire everywhere dude.

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Anonymous wrote:+1

SCOTUS has come out with two radical decisions in the past few weeks.

First is essentially laying the foundation for overturning settled law. If the GOP is so hellbent on making abortion illegal, then they should pass a law to that extent. Otherwise, the freedom for a woman to manage her body should supersede.

Second, the SCOTUS has basically said the government doesn't have the legal ability to protect the health and safety of workers in this country, despite the US Constitution specifically given that right at the top of the document.

Let’s be real. There is no freedom to manage your body in the Constitution. Roe may have been right morally but there is no basis for it. And even in a crisis our whole system is based on the notion of limits to government power. Biden had no authority even if is the right decision. You know who has the authority with both of these issues: Congress. Put abortion aside. Congress could pass a law that gave Biden the power to issue that order. They could do it today. It would be constitutional. But they have not.

DP here. Congress did pass the law. It's called the Occupational Health and Safety Act which establishes the Occupational Health and Safety Administration. SCOTUS ruled that OSHA has no authority to regulate hazards that are present both within and outside a workplace, overturning the vaccine mandates. This is BS, since OSHA absolutely regulates things like fire safety. Last I checked, fires can happen pretty much anywhere.

I guess OSHA can no long do this. The Feds should just stop enforcing OSHA regulations. At some point don’t you have to give the Supreme Court what it wants? Biden should have a press conference and say the Supreme Court says we have no power to enforce OSHA regulations. See how that goes over.

Ahh, the GOP, bringing back the 1850s. I wonder when a case will be brought to the SC to allow children to get out of school and go back to work. These clown “justices” will approve anything their oligarch w*oremasters want.

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Anonymous wrote:+1

SCOTUS has come out with two radical decisions in the past few weeks.

First is essentially laying the foundation for overturning settled law. If the GOP is so hellbent on making abortion illegal, then they should pass a law to that extent. Otherwise, the freedom for a woman to manage her body should supersede.

Second, the SCOTUS has basically said the government doesn't have the legal ability to protect the health and safety of workers in this country, despite the US Constitution specifically given that right at the top of the document.

Let’s be real. There is no freedom to manage your body in the Constitution. Roe may have been right morally but there is no basis for it. And even in a crisis our whole system is based on the notion of limits to government power. Biden had no authority even if is the right decision. You know who has the authority with both of these issues: Congress. Put abortion aside. Congress could pass a law that gave Biden the power to issue that order. They could do it today. It would be constitutional. But they have not.

DP here. Congress did pass the law. It's called the Occupational Health and Safety Act which establishes the Occupational Health and Safety Administration. SCOTUS ruled that OSHA has no authority to regulate hazards that are present both within and outside a workplace, overturning the vaccine mandates. This is BS, since OSHA absolutely regulates things like fire safety. Last I checked, fires can happen pretty much anywhere.

I guess OSHA can no long do this. The Feds should just stop enforcing OSHA regulations. At some point don’t you have to give the Supreme Court what it wants? Biden should have a press conference and say the Supreme Court says we have no power to enforce OSHA regulations. See how that goes over.