Anonymous
01/11/2022 12:25
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Good news. Although I think they’ll lose the argument ultimately in the courts.
But the fact that the vaccines here primarily lower severity and only have a marginal impact on transmission really isn’t particularly important for the justification that you are protecting patients and other employees. There’s a cost that has to be weighed against in protecting against a disease of this risk profile, namely losing valuable employees.
+1 million
Anonymous
01/11/2022 12:24
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.
+1 million
Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.
“Against science”?
You are fcked in the head.
Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.
An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.
Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.
This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.
You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/
Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.
This.
The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.
Of course they are useful.
They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.
Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?
Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 11:24
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no vaccine which prevent Omicron.
Vaccines have always been a game of odds, they are not 100% foolproof cures.
Sad that you don't understand basic science.
DP but the science is relatively well understood at this point regarding the current vaccines.
They are relatively low performing at limiting infection and symptomatic disease. They are to date moderately effective at preventing severe disease.
United has 3,000 people out this single week alone in a company with a vaccine mandate.
How many are on a respirator?
Timely article.
https://www.axios.com/united-airlines-ceo-covid-vaccine-mandate-c33cebde-faee-45ef-b1da-0ebdb337b09e.html
United Airlines: Employee deaths dropped to zero after vaccine mandate
"Kirby said that prior to the vaccine mandate, "tragically, more than one United employee on average *per week* was dying from COVID,” but "we’ve now gone eight straight weeks with zero COVID-related deaths among our vaccinated employees."
He said in the letter that there are approximately 3,000 employees who have tested positive for the virus but added that no vaccinated employee is hospitalized."
This is a no brainer way for businesses to bring down healthcare costs. And help with staffing issues (shorter absences). And, you know, keep your employees alive.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 10:46
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.
+1 million
Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.
“Against science”?
You are fcked in the head.
Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.
An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.
Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.
This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.
You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/
Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.
This.
The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.
Of course they are useful.
They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 10:44
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no vaccine which prevent Omicron.
Vaccines have always been a game of odds, they are not 100% foolproof cures.
Sad that you don't understand basic science.
DP but the science is relatively well understood at this point regarding the current vaccines.
They are relatively low performing at limiting infection and symptomatic disease. They are to date moderately effective at preventing severe disease.
United has 3,000 people out this single week alone in a company with a vaccine mandate.
How many are on a respirator?
Anonymous
01/11/2022 09:36
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no vaccine which prevent Omicron.
Vaccines have always been a game of odds, they are not 100% foolproof cures.
Sad that you don't understand basic science.
DP but the science is relatively well understood at this point regarding the current vaccines.
They are relatively low performing at limiting infection and symptomatic disease. They are to date moderately effective at preventing severe disease.
United has 3,000 people out this single week alone in a company with a vaccine mandate.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 09:30
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Good news. Although I think they’ll lose the argument ultimately in the courts.
But the fact that the vaccines here primarily lower severity and only have a marginal impact on transmission really isn’t particularly important for the justification that you are protecting patients and other employees. There’s a cost that has to be weighed against in protecting against a disease of this risk profile, namely losing valuable employees.
But the fact that the vaccines here primarily lower severity and only have a marginal impact on transmission really isn’t particularly important for the justification that you are protecting patients and other employees. There’s a cost that has to be weighed against in protecting against a disease of this risk profile, namely losing valuable employees.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 09:26
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.
+1 million
Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.
“Against science”?
You are fcked in the head.
Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.
An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.
Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.
This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.
You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/
Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.
This.
The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 09:10
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:There is no vaccine which prevent Omicron.
Vaccines have always been a game of odds, they are not 100% foolproof cures.
Sad that you don't understand basic science.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 09:03
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:There is no vaccine which prevent Omicron.
Vaccines don’t “prevent”. They minimize the # of severe infections.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 09:01
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
There is no vaccine which prevent Omicron.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 08:56
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.
+1 million
Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.
“Against science”?
You are fcked in the head.
Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.
An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.
Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.
This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.
You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/
Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.
Something >>>>>> nothing
And when you get to the scale of millions of infections with a crazy contagious strain like omicron, anything that can help lower hospitalization #s helps our whole community.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 08:51
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.
+1 million
Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.
There are so many levels of stupid in both of these posts, but neither poster is willing to consider facts that would undermine their preferred worldview.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 08:43
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.
+1 million
Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.
“Against science”?
You are fcked in the head.
Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.
An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.
Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.
This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.
You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/
Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 07:50
Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.
+1 million
Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.
“Against science”?
You are fcked in the head.
Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.
An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.
Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.
This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.
You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/