Anonymous wrote:Only someone with a cold, dead heart would put a fetus above the life of a 9 year old child, and think it's better to force a child to carry a pregnancy to term than to terminate. And yet here we are today. This kind of extremist, barbaric thinking is spreading throughout the anti-abortion movement.

I'm sure there are some anti-abortionists who will claim they are more moderate and would not want children to be forced to go through labor and delivery. But I am skeptical they will ever fight against this part of their movement as long as it means they get to rob adult women of their bodily autonomy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/26/health/texas-abortion-law-risky-pregnancy.html

Dr. Ingrid Skop, an obstetrician in San Antonio who belongs to the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said that even a girl as young as 9 or 10, impregnated by a father or a brother, could carry a baby to term without health risks.

“If she is developed enough to be menstruating and become pregnant, and reached sexual maturity, she can safely give birth to a baby,” Dr. Skop said.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the festering fascism in the GOP suggests they care that there’s support for abortion?

Pew's polling data would suggest your perception is not well supported. In fact, if you wade deeply into that data, you'll see that support for abortion restrictions is declining.

Oh okay, you’re brick wall trolling.

No, I'm looking at actual data and evidence rather than hype and click bait. There is probably no greater wedge issue than abortion and there is a lot of motivation to make it appear that people are opposed to it. But there just isn't evidence that the majority oppose it. The majority support abortion rights. I'm a conservative and support abortion rights. A sizable minority of Republicans support abortion rights-- sizable enough that a clear majority of Americans are pro choice.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the festering fascism in the GOP suggests they care that there’s support for abortion?

Pew's polling data would suggest your perception is not well supported. In fact, if you wade deeply into that data, you'll see that support for abortion restrictions is declining.

Oh okay, you’re brick wall trolling.

No, I'm looking at actual data and evidence rather than hype and click bait. There is probably no greater wedge issue than abortion and there is a lot of motivation to make it appear that people are opposed to it. But there just isn't evidence that the majority oppose it. The majority support abortion rights. I'm a conservative and support abortion rights. A sizable minority of Republicans support abortion rights-- sizable enough that a clear majority of Americans are pro choice.

It’s just too bad that minority has no sway in your party.

Anonymous wrote:How is this thread political? Who cares about some random crazy man? I really don’t understand this sub. It would be different if it was a thread about actual politicians or the Texas law.

Anonymous wrote:How is this thread political? Who cares about some random crazy man? I really don’t understand this sub. It would be different if it was a thread about actual politicians or the Texas law.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the festering fascism in the GOP suggests they care that there’s support for abortion?

Pew's polling data would suggest your perception is not well supported. In fact, if you wade deeply into that data, you'll see that support for abortion restrictions is declining.

Oh okay, you’re brick wall trolling.

No, I'm looking at actual data and evidence rather than hype and click bait. There is probably no greater wedge issue than abortion and there is a lot of motivation to make it appear that people are opposed to it. But there just isn't evidence that the majority oppose it. The majority support abortion rights. I'm a conservative and support abortion rights. A sizable minority of Republicans support abortion rights-- sizable enough that a clear majority of Americans are pro choice.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the festering fascism in the GOP suggests they care that there’s support for abortion?

Pew's polling data would suggest your perception is not well supported. In fact, if you wade deeply into that data, you'll see that support for abortion restrictions is declining.

Oh okay, you’re brick wall trolling.

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Anonymous wrote:She doesn’t say it’s fine for them to do so, just that the body is designed that it’s not a risk. Someone stating a car can go 150mph with no issue is not saying it’s ok to drive 150, just that it could happen.

She is actually saying something which is not based in medical science. Young girls are at much higher risk of several pregnancy complications. She is basically saying the opposite. If you can get pregnant, pregnancy doesn't carry significant risk (i.e. your body is ready to have a baby). This is not consistent with our best understanding of human physiology.

You an OB? She is…..

So you think making 9 year olds give birth is a defensible idea.

That’s not what she said at all. Try to comprehend what you read.

She said a 9 year old could safely go through pregnancy, l&d, and she said this as a way to justify not allowing a pregnant 9 year old to have an abortion. Do you agree with her?

I have no idea if a 9 year old can safely go through a pregnancy, as I am not a Dr. She did not say she would "make a 9 year old give birth" as quoted above. If you want to debate something, you can't make up what someone said, and debate it like they said it.
You are all worked up over something made up, not something a person actually said.

She absolutely supports making a pregnant 9 year old go to term. She absolutely supports banning pregnant children from getting abortions. Prove us wrong.

Anti-abortionists are getting bolder about declaring their extreme positions.

I don't have to "prove you wrong" as it is your statement, and in the title of the thread, therefore it is upon you to prove it, not assume it, The quote in the OP is

Dr. Ingrid Skop, an obstetrician in San Antonio who belongs to the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said that even a girl as young as 9 or 10, impregnated by a father or a brother, could carry a baby to term without health risks.

“If she is developed enough to be menstruating and become pregnant, and reached sexual maturity, she can safely give birth to a baby,” Dr. Skop said.

Show me where that says she supports "making a 9 year old go to term" You wont find it. All it says is someone that young "could" carry a baby to term without health risks. You are assuming she means something else and getting offended by it, thats on you.

OP here. She is chair of American Association of "Pro-life" Obstetricians/Gynecologists which supports the banning of abortion in all cases except where the mother is in imminent danger of dying. This organization, of which she is chair, supports the restrictive abortion ban in Texas and elsewhere that do not allow for exceptions in the case of rape and incest. That is why she has testified in its favor. Can you make the connection?

To put it another way, she and her organization wholeheartedly support laws that would ban a 9 year old from having an abortion if her pregnancy is discovered around 8 weeks. Neither she nor her organization have advocated for the law to make those exceptions.

Hence her declaration that it was perfectly safe for a 9 year old to give birth, which no physician in her right might would agree with. She stated that to ward of criticism that a law without a rape / incest exception would force abused children to give birth.

Or are you REALLY arguing that she believes pregnant children should have access to abortion? Do you truly believe that? Because the opposite of believing that a pregnant 9 year old should have legal access to abortion is to believe that a pregnant 9 year old should carry the pregnancy to term.

All of what you just wrote can be 100% true, she can believe all of that, however you are adding stuff to the original statement to try and prove that is what she meant. You are reading into what she said and not actually reading what she did in fact say. Making "the connection" as you put it is a lot different than saying "She said X". People here are saying "She said X" and I am saying she did not say it, so the retort is "She meant X" She might have meant X, but that is not what she said.

DP here. Are you this dense IRL? Or do you just play a moron on DCUM?

If someone was here posting “Biden said X” and when called out to prove it said “well he meant X” you’d have an issue with it. Why is this different?

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible and coming to every red state

The war on women is real and Trumper’s thank you so much did this horrific issue. Ugh

You can thank the left for getting Trump elected in the first place.
Stop pushing identity politics, de facto open borders, and stop reverse discrimination and erasing definition of male and female, and you will have the moderates and independents on board. Normal people do not want 9 and 10 year olds forced to carry pregnancy to term.
As long as we aren’t quite in Handmaid’s Tale, the wealthy will always have options.
I’ve plenty of money and my kids are dual citizens in country where they would be able to access abortion freely.
I would do anything to prevent my 10 year old daughter having to carry pregnancy to term.
These people are monsters.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the festering fascism in the GOP suggests they care that there’s support for abortion?

Pew's polling data would suggest your perception is not well supported. In fact, if you wade deeply into that data, you'll see that support for abortion restrictions is declining.