Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Based on the info you gave here, the va calculator says you should get $1,100
Already knew the calculator gives a pittance.
I’m not wondering what is legally mandated, I’m wondering what is fair.
X wants kids to live in a nice place, play sports, eat good food (and teens eat a lot!!) and thinks those things happen by magic.
If I picked what I would consider to be an affordable neighborhood, X would accuse me of placing the kids in danger.
I do wonder if a certain poster is familiar at all with housing costs in DC area.
It is not as if a 3 bedroom apartment or house is something every person would just easily have, unlike in rural areas where a house can be rented for 1k or less.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Child support is not payment for caring for your kids. You are not a babysitter. It is to help pay for the basics.
No, but if it means i am using my sick pay, taking time off for kid stuff, not quite able to devote 100% to job like other parent is, that is a measurable negative economic effect.
Yes, you are right. The system, however, does not care about this because it believes that one parent (usually the woman) should provide all the resources to raise a child for free.
You have identified the structural sexism in our current child custody/child rearing systems. Women still do the vast amount of child reading and use sick and vacation leave to do so because we have no paid family medical leave, or we dial down our careers or leave the workforce. This in turn affects our career opportunities because we are less available for work opportunities and we are perceived as being less committed to the company and our careers. Because of that we don’t get promoted or given pay raises as much. Later in life, after the kids are raised, our lack of career success further hobbles us because we are perceived as being behind the career track because we were not capable instead of merely being unavailable. Because we have lower earnings and are less often receiving benefits, we have lower retirement resources and more often end up in poverty.
Your only way out of this is negotiating an amount above child support minimums with the non-custodial parent. Good luck with that.
I am also a parent with full custody of the kids. Right now the father of my kids is on a 6 week overseas assignment that he gave me 5 days notice about. His career is great because for the entire life of my kids, he has been able to take multiple overseas work trips for weeks at a time on short notice. My career? It collapsed because he does not provide me with the same support when I have similar opportunities.
What are you ranting about? You don't get paid to take care of your kids. You have full custody. So, since you have full custody, he can do what he wants when he wants as he doesn't have custody. That was on you for demanding full custody and not having him share custody. That is what full custody means. He is under no obligation to provide you with any support and at best, he gets some visitation.
Child support is not a salary. If you need more money, get a better job. Simple. Go back to school in a higher paying field.
We have paid family medical leave. We have paid leave. With most professional jobs you are allowed sick/annual leave and you save it for when you need it. If you choose to go on a two week vacation then need two weeks off for illness too bad.
NP but the poster you’re responding to is spot on in her assessment of the weaknesses of our current system and how it disadvantages women. You sound like a jerk. Who is the we you’re referring to? Many jobs in the US do not have that.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:$1300/month sounds high given what I know about how paltry child support calculations are. My ex makes $5000K, I make $150K, and he pays $2K/month.
You make a really good income. So, do you spend $2500-3K on your child each month? Doubtful. You get a very good amount that should cover all expenses.
It costs at least $1000/month in rent alone for a second bedroom. It’s $500/month minimum on food. It’s more than $500/month on activities. This does not include clothing, medical care, social life, birthday or holiday gifts or parties, education, educational enrichment, camp, childcare/sitters, transportation, school supplies or fundraisers, utilities, travel, or anything else and he is not even a teenager yet. Hell I known people who spend $10K a year per child on sports alone. Seriously when someone makes $500K per year and has no child-related overhead and the other parent has 100% custody, why would you think that person should only spend $24K/year on said kid.
So, basically, you want a premium lifestyle. He is not obligated to provide them.
$500 a month on activities? GTFOH.
Why shouldn’t the kid have a premium lifestyle if their father is earning a premium salary and has no other obligations or dependents?
Because that is not how child support works. Even if OP and her Ex were still married no child is owed a premium lifestyle.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Child support is not payment for caring for your kids. You are not a babysitter. It is to help pay for the basics.
No, but if it means i am using my sick pay, taking time off for kid stuff, not quite able to devote 100% to job like other parent is, that is a measurable negative economic effect.
Yes, you are right. The system, however, does not care about this because it believes that one parent (usually the woman) should provide all the resources to raise a child for free.
You have identified the structural sexism in our current child custody/child rearing systems. Women still do the vast amount of child reading and use sick and vacation leave to do so because we have no paid family medical leave, or we dial down our careers or leave the workforce. This in turn affects our career opportunities because we are less available for work opportunities and we are perceived as being less committed to the company and our careers. Because of that we don’t get promoted or given pay raises as much. Later in life, after the kids are raised, our lack of career success further hobbles us because we are perceived as being behind the career track because we were not capable instead of merely being unavailable. Because we have lower earnings and are less often receiving benefits, we have lower retirement resources and more often end up in poverty.
Your only way out of this is negotiating an amount above child support minimums with the non-custodial parent. Good luck with that.
I am also a parent with full custody of the kids. Right now the father of my kids is on a 6 week overseas assignment that he gave me 5 days notice about. His career is great because for the entire life of my kids, he has been able to take multiple overseas work trips for weeks at a time on short notice. My career? It collapsed because he does not provide me with the same support when I have similar opportunities.
What are you ranting about? You don't get paid to take care of your kids. You have full custody. So, since you have full custody, he can do what he wants when he wants as he doesn't have custody. That was on you for demanding full custody and not having him share custody. That is what full custody means. He is under no obligation to provide you with any support and at best, he gets some visitation.
Child support is not a salary. If you need more money, get a better job. Simple. Go back to school in a higher paying field.
We have paid family medical leave. We have paid leave. With most professional jobs you are allowed sick/annual leave and you save it for when you need it. If you choose to go on a two week vacation then need two weeks off for illness too bad.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:$1300/month sounds high given what I know about how paltry child support calculations are. My ex makes $5000K, I make $150K, and he pays $2K/month.
You make a really good income. So, do you spend $2500-3K on your child each month? Doubtful. You get a very good amount that should cover all expenses.
It costs at least $1000/month in rent alone for a second bedroom. It’s $500/month minimum on food. It’s more than $500/month on activities. This does not include clothing, medical care, social life, birthday or holiday gifts or parties, education, educational enrichment, camp, childcare/sitters, transportation, school supplies or fundraisers, utilities, travel, or anything else and he is not even a teenager yet. Hell I known people who spend $10K a year per child on sports alone. Seriously when someone makes $500K per year and has no child-related overhead and the other parent has 100% custody, why would you think that person should only spend $24K/year on said kid.
So, basically, you want a premium lifestyle. He is not obligated to provide them.
$500 a month on activities? GTFOH.
Why shouldn’t the kid have a premium lifestyle if their father is earning a premium salary and has no other obligations or dependents?
Because that is not how child support works. Even if OP and her Ex were still married no child is owed a premium lifestyle.
Correct
Parents have to provide basics for kids to get by.
Some father's prioritize country club to private school fees. Not illegal
Others only provide clothing from Walmart, some from designer stores. Lifestyle choice.
Some wealthy people have the fancy car, country club membership, expensive vacations and yacht and holiday house, but are very frugal when it comes to kids expenses, demand they work, do chores even when the household has a housekeeper
OP’s question was not about what is legally required.
OP should not expect to have the same lifestyle as before and obviously doesn’t because the other parent is no longer there to help with housework, cooking, and driving kids around.
But what about the kids?
Kids lifestyle is also impacted by divorce. Mom is on her own and dad provides what is required by law. His support is for the kids expenses, which is something the custodial parent also pays for.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:$1300/month sounds high given what I know about how paltry child support calculations are. My ex makes $5000K, I make $150K, and he pays $2K/month.
You make a really good income. So, do you spend $2500-3K on your child each month? Doubtful. You get a very good amount that should cover all expenses.
It costs at least $1000/month in rent alone for a second bedroom. It’s $500/month minimum on food. It’s more than $500/month on activities. This does not include clothing, medical care, social life, birthday or holiday gifts or parties, education, educational enrichment, camp, childcare/sitters, transportation, school supplies or fundraisers, utilities, travel, or anything else and he is not even a teenager yet. Hell I known people who spend $10K a year per child on sports alone. Seriously when someone makes $500K per year and has no child-related overhead and the other parent has 100% custody, why would you think that person should only spend $24K/year on said kid.
So, basically, you want a premium lifestyle. He is not obligated to provide them.
$500 a month on activities? GTFOH.
Why shouldn’t the kid have a premium lifestyle if their father is earning a premium salary and has no other obligations or dependents?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Child support is not payment for caring for your kids. You are not a babysitter. It is to help pay for the basics.
No, but if it means i am using my sick pay, taking time off for kid stuff, not quite able to devote 100% to job like other parent is, that is a measurable negative economic effect.
Yes, you are right. The system, however, does not care about this because it believes that one parent (usually the woman) should provide all the resources to raise a child for free.
You have identified the structural sexism in our current child custody/child rearing systems. Women still do the vast amount of child reading and use sick and vacation leave to do so because we have no paid family medical leave, or we dial down our careers or leave the workforce. This in turn affects our career opportunities because we are less available for work opportunities and we are perceived as being less committed to the company and our careers. Because of that we don’t get promoted or given pay raises as much. Later in life, after the kids are raised, our lack of career success further hobbles us because we are perceived as being behind the career track because we were not capable instead of merely being unavailable. Because we have lower earnings and are less often receiving benefits, we have lower retirement resources and more often end up in poverty.
Your only way out of this is negotiating an amount above child support minimums with the non-custodial parent. Good luck with that.
I am also a parent with full custody of the kids. Right now the father of my kids is on a 6 week overseas assignment that he gave me 5 days notice about. His career is great because for the entire life of my kids, he has been able to take multiple overseas work trips for weeks at a time on short notice. My career? It collapsed because he does not provide me with the same support when I have similar opportunities.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:$1300/month sounds high given what I know about how paltry child support calculations are. My ex makes $5000K, I make $150K, and he pays $2K/month.
You make a really good income. So, do you spend $2500-3K on your child each month? Doubtful. You get a very good amount that should cover all expenses.
It costs at least $1000/month in rent alone for a second bedroom. It’s $500/month minimum on food. It’s more than $500/month on activities. This does not include clothing, medical care, social life, birthday or holiday gifts or parties, education, educational enrichment, camp, childcare/sitters, transportation, school supplies or fundraisers, utilities, travel, or anything else and he is not even a teenager yet. Hell I known people who spend $10K a year per child on sports alone. Seriously when someone makes $500K per year and has no child-related overhead and the other parent has 100% custody, why would you think that person should only spend $24K/year on said kid.
So, basically, you want a premium lifestyle. He is not obligated to provide them.
$500 a month on activities? GTFOH.
Why shouldn’t the kid have a premium lifestyle if their father is earning a premium salary and has no other obligations or dependents?
Because that is not how child support works. Even if OP and her Ex were still married no child is owed a premium lifestyle.
Correct
Parents have to provide basics for kids to get by.
Some father's prioritize country club to private school fees. Not illegal
Others only provide clothing from Walmart, some from designer stores. Lifestyle choice.
Some wealthy people have the fancy car, country club membership, expensive vacations and yacht and holiday house, but are very frugal when it comes to kids expenses, demand they work, do chores even when the household has a housekeeper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Child support is not payment for caring for your kids. You are not a babysitter. It is to help pay for the basics.
No, but if it means i am using my sick pay, taking time off for kid stuff, not quite able to devote 100% to job like other parent is, that is a measurable negative economic effect.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:$1300/month sounds high given what I know about how paltry child support calculations are. My ex makes $5000K, I make $150K, and he pays $2K/month.
You make a really good income. So, do you spend $2500-3K on your child each month? Doubtful. You get a very good amount that should cover all expenses.
It costs at least $1000/month in rent alone for a second bedroom. It’s $500/month minimum on food. It’s more than $500/month on activities. This does not include clothing, medical care, social life, birthday or holiday gifts or parties, education, educational enrichment, camp, childcare/sitters, transportation, school supplies or fundraisers, utilities, travel, or anything else and he is not even a teenager yet. Hell I known people who spend $10K a year per child on sports alone. Seriously when someone makes $500K per year and has no child-related overhead and the other parent has 100% custody, why would you think that person should only spend $24K/year on said kid.
So, basically, you want a premium lifestyle. He is not obligated to provide them.
$500 a month on activities? GTFOH.
Why shouldn’t the kid have a premium lifestyle if their father is earning a premium salary and has no other obligations or dependents?
Because that is not how child support works. Even if OP and her Ex were still married no child is owed a premium lifestyle.
Correct
Parents have to provide basics for kids to get by.
Some father's prioritize country club to private school fees. Not illegal
Others only provide clothing from Walmart, some from designer stores. Lifestyle choice.
Some wealthy people have the fancy car, country club membership, expensive vacations and yacht and holiday house, but are very frugal when it comes to kids expenses, demand they work, do chores even when the household has a housekeeper
OP’s question was not about what is legally required.
OP should not expect to have the same lifestyle as before and obviously doesn’t because the other parent is no longer there to help with housework, cooking, and driving kids around.
But what about the kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:$1300/month sounds high given what I know about how paltry child support calculations are. My ex makes $5000K, I make $150K, and he pays $2K/month.
You make a really good income. So, do you spend $2500-3K on your child each month? Doubtful. You get a very good amount that should cover all expenses.
It costs at least $1000/month in rent alone for a second bedroom. It’s $500/month minimum on food. It’s more than $500/month on activities. This does not include clothing, medical care, social life, birthday or holiday gifts or parties, education, educational enrichment, camp, childcare/sitters, transportation, school supplies or fundraisers, utilities, travel, or anything else and he is not even a teenager yet. Hell I known people who spend $10K a year per child on sports alone. Seriously when someone makes $500K per year and has no child-related overhead and the other parent has 100% custody, why would you think that person should only spend $24K/year on said kid.
So, basically, you want a premium lifestyle. He is not obligated to provide them.
$500 a month on activities? GTFOH.
Why shouldn’t the kid have a premium lifestyle if their father is earning a premium salary and has no other obligations or dependents?
Because that is not how child support works. Even if OP and her Ex were still married no child is owed a premium lifestyle.
Correct
Parents have to provide basics for kids to get by.
Some father's prioritize country club to private school fees. Not illegal
Others only provide clothing from Walmart, some from designer stores. Lifestyle choice.
Some wealthy people have the fancy car, country club membership, expensive vacations and yacht and holiday house, but are very frugal when it comes to kids expenses, demand they work, do chores even when the household has a housekeeper
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:$1300/month sounds high given what I know about how paltry child support calculations are. My ex makes $5000K, I make $150K, and he pays $2K/month.
You make a really good income. So, do you spend $2500-3K on your child each month? Doubtful. You get a very good amount that should cover all expenses.
It costs at least $1000/month in rent alone for a second bedroom. It’s $500/month minimum on food. It’s more than $500/month on activities. This does not include clothing, medical care, social life, birthday or holiday gifts or parties, education, educational enrichment, camp, childcare/sitters, transportation, school supplies or fundraisers, utilities, travel, or anything else and he is not even a teenager yet. Hell I known people who spend $10K a year per child on sports alone. Seriously when someone makes $500K per year and has no child-related overhead and the other parent has 100% custody, why would you think that person should only spend $24K/year on said kid.
So, basically, you want a premium lifestyle. He is not obligated to provide them.
$500 a month on activities? GTFOH.
Why shouldn’t the kid have a premium lifestyle if their father is earning a premium salary and has no other obligations or dependents?
Because that is not how child support works. Even if OP and her Ex were still married no child is owed a premium lifestyle.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:$1300/month sounds high given what I know about how paltry child support calculations are. My ex makes $5000K, I make $150K, and he pays $2K/month.
You make a really good income. So, do you spend $2500-3K on your child each month? Doubtful. You get a very good amount that should cover all expenses.
It costs at least $1000/month in rent alone for a second bedroom. It’s $500/month minimum on food. It’s more than $500/month on activities. This does not include clothing, medical care, social life, birthday or holiday gifts or parties, education, educational enrichment, camp, childcare/sitters, transportation, school supplies or fundraisers, utilities, travel, or anything else and he is not even a teenager yet. Hell I known people who spend $10K a year per child on sports alone. Seriously when someone makes $500K per year and has no child-related overhead and the other parent has 100% custody, why would you think that person should only spend $24K/year on said kid.
So, basically, you want a premium lifestyle. He is not obligated to provide them.
$500 a month on activities? GTFOH.
Why shouldn’t the kid have a premium lifestyle if their father is earning a premium salary and has no other obligations or dependents?
Because that is not how child support works. Even if OP and her Ex were still married no child is owed a premium lifestyle.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:$1300/month sounds high given what I know about how paltry child support calculations are. My ex makes $5000K, I make $150K, and he pays $2K/month.
You make a really good income. So, do you spend $2500-3K on your child each month? Doubtful. You get a very good amount that should cover all expenses.
It costs at least $1000/month in rent alone for a second bedroom. It’s $500/month minimum on food. It’s more than $500/month on activities. This does not include clothing, medical care, social life, birthday or holiday gifts or parties, education, educational enrichment, camp, childcare/sitters, transportation, school supplies or fundraisers, utilities, travel, or anything else and he is not even a teenager yet. Hell I known people who spend $10K a year per child on sports alone. Seriously when someone makes $500K per year and has no child-related overhead and the other parent has 100% custody, why would you think that person should only spend $24K/year on said kid.
So, basically, you want a premium lifestyle. He is not obligated to provide them.
$500 a month on activities? GTFOH.
Why shouldn’t the kid have a premium lifestyle if their father is earning a premium salary and has no other obligations or dependents?