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Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

I actually bet the number of high SES kids at the schools in 5th grade isn’t as different as you think. LT sends some high SES kids to SH every year whereas Brent and Maury send almost none to their respective feeders.

Not true about Maury. Significant numbers trying Eliot-Hine.

Doesn't EH have like 20 white kids total? "Significant numbers" seems like a pretty big stretch there. My impression is that UMC POCs are even less likely to try these middle schools for reasons I totally understand.

Maury has a small 5th grade class and a lot of them are enrolling. I expect this to continue with UMC Payne families too. I’m not trying to prove anything about race either way. Everyone would love to have a neighborhood MS so we and I assume most other families have an open mind.

Honestly, if I were a family that had only been at Maury from PK to 5th, I too would have an open mind, because I would never have seen how chaotic a school can really be. As a OOB family new to Maury this year, I simply cannot believe how much nicer this school is compared to my IB. It actually makes me angry to know that such a vast difference can occur between schools that are within walking distance of one another.

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Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

I actually bet the number of high SES kids at the schools in 5th grade isn’t as different as you think. LT sends some high SES kids to SH every year whereas Brent and Maury send almost none to their respective feeders.

Not true about Maury. Significant numbers trying Eliot-Hine.

Doesn't EH have like 20 white kids total? "Significant numbers" seems like a pretty big stretch there. My impression is that UMC POCs are even less likely to try these middle schools for reasons I totally understand.

Maury has a small 5th grade class and a lot of them are enrolling. I expect this to continue with UMC Payne families too. I’m not trying to prove anything about race either way. Everyone would love to have a neighborhood MS so we and I assume most other families have an open mind.

Yes, I assume a big chunk of every 5th grade class enrolls at its feeder. My point was that LT has way more kids in 5th grade (3 classes now), so the drop off between 4th and 5th is much less. My point was just that the previous poster would probably be surprised how comparable the number of high SES kids in the three 5th grade classes are. I completely agree that LT has had more IB attrition before then, though as everyone acknowledges, that is changing year on year. From the very beginning, my only claim was that if I were choosing a school for a young ES student, I think the classroom experience in the three schools is likely pretty comparable and LT has at least one benefit in terms of class size. I have no doubt Maury and Brent have identifiable comparative advantages as well, I just don’t think lack of diversity is one of them. I completely understand wanting a sizeable UMC on/above grade level cohort; LT clearly has that. That’s all.

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Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

Most people Brent and Maury by 5th because they don't like the middle school options. That will continue to happen until people like the middle school options.

Not quite. This year, and last year, no more than half the IB families left between 4th and 5th at both schools, not most.

If you go back 5 or 6 years, half the Brent and Maury IB families left between K and 4th grade. That's where LT is right now.

Brent is 66% IB while LT is 57%, so while Brent is definitely ahead of LT, I don’t actually think those are orders of magnitude different like some posters would seem to suggest. There is actually a much mugger gap between Maury (87%) and Brent than between Brent and LT.

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Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

Most people Brent and Maury by 5th because they don't like the middle school options. That will continue to happen until people like the middle school options.

Not quite. This year, and last year, no more than half the IB families left between 4th and 5th at both schools, not most.

If you go back 5 or 6 years, half the Brent and Maury IB families left between K and 4th grade. That's where LT is right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

I actually bet the number of high SES kids at the schools in 5th grade isn’t as different as you think. LT sends some high SES kids to SH every year whereas Brent and Maury send almost none to their respective feeders.

Not true about Maury. Significant numbers trying Eliot-Hine.

Doesn't EH have like 20 white kids total? "Significant numbers" seems like a pretty big stretch there. My impression is that UMC POCs are even less likely to try these middle schools for reasons I totally understand.

Maury has a small 5th grade class and a lot of them are enrolling. I expect this to continue with UMC Payne families too. I’m not trying to prove anything about race either way. Everyone would love to have a neighborhood MS so we and I assume most other families have an open mind.

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Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

I actually bet the number of high SES kids at the schools in 5th grade isn’t as different as you think. LT sends some high SES kids to SH every year whereas Brent and Maury send almost none to their respective feeders.

Not true about Maury. Significant numbers trying Eliot-Hine.

Doesn't EH have like 20 white kids total? "Significant numbers" seems like a pretty big stretch there. My impression is that UMC POCs are even less likely to try these middle schools for reasons I totally understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Watkins is an option too! Don't forget about us!

Don't worry, no one is forgetting about Watkins.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/southeast-dc-football-field-shooting-o-street-shooting-homicide-investigations/65-542cf39b-8f90-4603-a8c5-79e808eb6a1b

If shootings near schools are a reason not to send a kid somewhere, there aren't going to be many choices. Definitely have to rule out Eaton, Mundo Verde, and a lot more.

Someone was murdered last night at Watkins.

Someone was carjacked during Watkins morning dropoff a few years ago and the assailant fled with a 5-year-old:

https://www.popville.com/2018/10/carjacking-and-kidnapping-at-watkins-elementary-dropoff-on-capitol-hill-this-morning/

Sorry, what were you saying about Eaton?

Yes, someone was killed on Watkins' field last night and there was a carjacking 3 years ago. Someone was shot on Eaton's playground in front of over 100 witnesses this summer https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/court-documents-say-man-shot-in-cleveland-park-had-been-targeted-before/2707559/ and there have been several shootings within a couple blocks of Mundo Verde's P St. location. Honestly and sadly, there are very few schools in DC that haven't had a shooting within a block or two in the past year, and probably fewer that haven't had a carjacking.

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Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

I actually bet the number of high SES kids at the schools in 5th grade isn’t as different as you think. LT sends some high SES kids to SH every year whereas Brent and Maury send almost none to their respective feeders.

Not true about Maury. Significant numbers trying Eliot-Hine.

Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

I actually bet the number of high SES kids at the schools in 5th grade isn’t as different as you think. LT sends some high SES kids to SH every year whereas Brent and Maury send almost none to their respective feeders.

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Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

I don't know why high SES families move to the Hill in the first place. Why not just buy in NW?

I mean, can't you say that about anything? I don't know why high SES families live in NW in the first place. Why not just buy in Chevy Chase?

I don't know why high SES families go on ski trips to Vail. Why not just go to Aspen?

Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

I don't know why high SES families move to the Hill in the first place. Why not just buy in NW?

Anonymous wrote:Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

Most people Brent and Maury by 5th because they don't like the middle school options. That will continue to happen until people like the middle school options.

Anonymous wrote:You sound jealous.

There are embassy families on the Hill these days, international organization families, foreign consultants, journalists, entrepreneurs and so forth who elect not to live in Upper NW paying 40K for privates for elementary. Some make do with DCPS EotP, generally Ross, Maury and Brent.

I'll admit to not caring how many of the white kids at my kids' school are in fact the children of foreign entrepreneurs

Give us a break. Most high SES families of all stripes who enroll at LT for ECE still leave by 4th or 5th grade. But it was the very same story at Brent and Maury for the first decade after each of these schools started to "turn." LT will catch up soon enough, within 4 or 5 years. It takes a lot longer for neighborhood parents in a gentrifying area to collectively feel confident about the upper ES grades in a DCPS school that new parents tend to think. The reality is that embassy types are about the last neighborhood parents stay through 4th or 5th.

Anonymous wrote:You sound jealous.

There are embassy families on the Hill these days, international organization families, foreign consultants, journalists, entrepreneurs and so forth who elect not to live in Upper NW paying 40K for privates for elementary. Some make do with DCPS EotP, generally Ross, Maury and Brent.

The vast majority of embassy families live in NW (not surprising, since that's where the vast, vast majority of embassies are) and go to DCPSes WOTP (Murch has a ton), so this is a strange take. Like if you live in NW you have to go to a private? But if you live on Capitol Hill (or in Dupont, seemingly) you don't? Anyway, I'll believe there are a few such families at Brent and Maury if you say so and I can't say I'm aware of any embassy families at LT offhand, but the idea that there are no "international organization families, foreign consultants, journalists, entrepreneurs and so forth" at LT is definitely wrong and I'm not sure why or how you would possibly know the comparative figures for any particular schools in that regard.