Anonymous
10/13/2021 10:19
Subject: TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If students are responsible for younger siblings, working, and don't have parental support, how will they handle the workload at TJ?
Not saying they shouldn't be given a shot but it doesn't seem like an environment in which they would be able to keep up.
That's their business, not yours. You are looking for a reason not to admit them or for them not to apply. Stop.
Besides, in many of those instances, "care" involves literally just being at home so that the party in question isn't home alone. That doesn't preclude one from doing homework. It does, however, preclude being out at an extracurricular activity.
First, I said in my post that I wasn't saying they shouldn't be given a shot
Second, if the entire process is being re-arranged to accommodate these students and then they fail because the problems they face are still there we will again hear calls for more accommodation. As a taxpayer, its actually my business since those pushing for this made it so. You can't reconfigure everything based on these factors and then say its no one's business. They've made it our business.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 10:17
Subject: TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well it was not meeting it prior to this year either given how many kids were prepping for the test. If it was to really serve the tippy top kids that “need” TJ those kids would not need to prep. The whole factory business of prep schools made a mockery of that supposed goal TJ was trying to serve. So unless they can figure out a way around the preppers and the years long planning people did to strategize what activities to do to get in….I am happier with the new system.
Just shut the f up. It was the number 1 high school in the U.S. Clearly, the admissions process was getting the best and brightest. Stop all the Asian hate.
It was ranked number 1 by several publications because of the students' performance on standardized exams. Given that the admissions process overselected for test-taking ability and incentivized expensive and time-consuming courses, it shouldn't be surprising that the school ranked highly in those metrics.
Also, who said anything about Asians? Is the Asian identity so wrapped up in TJ that you can't separate the two?
You people say "preppers" to mean Asians. And it is ranked number 1 based on 6 criteria. No one cares about performance deciding a competitive process until its dominated by Asians. You are such a racist.
I'm not Pp you are arguing with but i am the one who said that the "preppers" gutted any sense of TJ's "true purpose" as being a school for the super gifted kids who "really need it". I stand by that. I frankly don't care what race they are - I don't like the notion of incentivizing a system that requires the kids to go to outside classes to prep for an entrance test and to plan years ahead with private extracurriculers to put on their application. If there were a way to more naturally select teh kids who "really need it" I'd support that. Since there's not, I support dialing down the crazy amp-up to TJ applications and think the % per school and revisions to the process seem a decent way to try to get there. I don't care at all about increasing URM shares at TJ (nice but not my personal priority); I'm just saying that I prefer the new approach when considering if it would be a good fit for my own child.
If I understand well, current criteria now favor: having the disposable income to buy a rental property in an admissions-favorable school zone; having the means to groom a flawless, empty GPA; having the ability to write a persuasive sob story. Ostensibly, this was done to make it more difficult for wealthy, over-privileged, politically-connected people to gain a leg up on the admissions process.
I don't have a sense for the exact degree to which prep has distorted the picture of who is truly advanced/gifted. I am pretty confident, though, that the perceptions of impact have been heavily skewed by racial bias.
Thankfully, you do not understand well.
Let's just shut down TJ at this point. It's too divisive. Not worth the resources.
Oh, it's the if my kid can't have it no one else should poster. The debate around TJ has been contentious for years but now it should be shutdown because your side didn't win. Ok
Anonymous
10/13/2021 10:14
Subject: TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:If students are responsible for younger siblings, working, and don't have parental support, how will they handle the workload at TJ?
Not saying they shouldn't be given a shot but it doesn't seem like an environment in which they would be able to keep up.
That's their business, not yours. You are looking for a reason not to admit them or for them not to apply. Stop.
Besides, in many of those instances, "care" involves literally just being at home so that the party in question isn't home alone. That doesn't preclude one from doing homework. It does, however, preclude being out at an extracurricular activity.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 10:10
Subject: Re:TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen the focus rightly or wrongly is to have more poor and brown people in the school now
I thought it was to get more white people in st the expense of Asians?
Anonymous
10/13/2021 10:05
Subject: TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Every school should have its quotas.
That’s the only thing hat would make it fair.
Might as well shut it down at that point since it will no longer serve its intended purpose.
The intended purpose is to provide a quality STEM education to FCPS ( and a few out of county) students. That purpose will still be served. It just won't be provided to who you think it should be.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 09:53
Subject: TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
If students are responsible for younger siblings, working, and don't have parental support, how will they handle the workload at TJ?
Not saying they shouldn't be given a shot but it doesn't seem like an environment in which they would be able to keep up.
Not saying they shouldn't be given a shot but it doesn't seem like an environment in which they would be able to keep up.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 09:07
Subject: Re:TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an important piece. What a shame the cretins in charge of FCPS have never given the matter of TJ admissions a sliver of the attention this author devoted to the topic.
https://www.inquiremore.com/p/culture-not-racism-explains-asian
It is about what's in it for me NOW, not about the truth or long term. So stop with your logic.
Interesting piece but the school board are trying to serve all students by leveling the playing field as it were and making admissions more equitable. It's not just a prize for those who can afford expensive prep classes.
How about a test and anyone that wants to prep can take a free class? Would that be OK?
The only way this is a starter at all is if the free class is offered during the school day. Otherwise it brings up all of the other problems that exist with extracurriculars.
Yes, God forbit there might be kids that are really driven and prioritize the chance to get into TJ above other activities. Definitely don't want any kids like that going to TJ.
two things:
1) In many cases, those "other activities" involve taking care of either younger or older family members because their parents work multiple jobs - or being unable to get to any such activities because of lack of transportation.
2) Given that TJ offers most of the "other activities" that I imagine you were referring to, why should kids be expected to give those up in pursuit of admission?
Anonymous
10/13/2021 07:49
Subject: TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These people just need to move on. FCPS has made a decision because they saw flaws in the previous system. Why not atleast give the new one a chance?
The decision was made with a huge influence from the people already cheating the system. We have lottery magnets all throughout the county. No one is complaining about those not having ‘merit’.
Until the entire county has equal access, no justice is done.
Why stop at the county? It is aGovernor’s school and serves more than FCPS. Perhaps it should open up more spots for kids outside FCPS as well.
I agree and even to close by DC and Maryland.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 06:43
Subject: TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Other activities for some is catching the school bus home because their parents don’t have a car and have to budget for public transport. It’s babysitting younger siblings while parents are working. It’s cooking the family’s dinner snd other housework. It’s taking their grandparents to doctors appointments. It’s having a paying job to pay the household bills.
Get out of your privileged bubble.
Get out of your privileged bubble.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 23:47
Subject: Re:TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an important piece. What a shame the cretins in charge of FCPS have never given the matter of TJ admissions a sliver of the attention this author devoted to the topic.
https://www.inquiremore.com/p/culture-not-racism-explains-asian
It is about what's in it for me NOW, not about the truth or long term. So stop with your logic.
Interesting piece but the school board are trying to serve all students by leveling the playing field as it were and making admissions more equitable. It's not just a prize for those who can afford expensive prep classes.
How about a test and anyone that wants to prep can take a free class? Would that be OK?
The only way this is a starter at all is if the free class is offered during the school day. Otherwise it brings up all of the other problems that exist with extracurriculars.
Yes, God forbit there might be kids that are really driven and prioritize the chance to get into TJ above other activities. Definitely don't want any kids like that going to TJ.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 12:19
Subject: Re:TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an important piece. What a shame the cretins in charge of FCPS have never given the matter of TJ admissions a sliver of the attention this author devoted to the topic.
https://www.inquiremore.com/p/culture-not-racism-explains-asian
It is about what's in it for me NOW, not about the truth or long term. So stop with your logic.
Interesting piece but the school board are trying to serve all students by leveling the playing field as it were and making admissions more equitable. It's not just a prize for those who can afford expensive prep classes.
How about a test and anyone that wants to prep can take a free class? Would that be OK?
The only way this is a starter at all is if the free class is offered during the school day. Otherwise it brings up all of the other problems that exist with extracurriculars.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 12:08
Subject: TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These people just need to move on. FCPS has made a decision because they saw flaws in the previous system. Why not atleast give the new one a chance?
The decision was made with a huge influence from the people already cheating the system. We have lottery magnets all throughout the county. No one is complaining about those not having ‘merit’.
Until the entire county has equal access, no justice is done.
Why stop at the county? It is aGovernor’s school and serves more than FCPS. Perhaps it should open up more spots for kids outside FCPS as well.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 11:58
Subject: Re:TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an important piece. What a shame the cretins in charge of FCPS have never given the matter of TJ admissions a sliver of the attention this author devoted to the topic.
https://www.inquiremore.com/p/culture-not-racism-explains-asian
It is about what's in it for me NOW, not about the truth or long term. So stop with your logic.
Interesting piece but the school board are trying to serve all students by leveling the playing field as it were and making admissions more equitable. It's not just a prize for those who can afford expensive prep classes.
How about a test and anyone that wants to prep can take a free class? Would that be OK?
Anonymous
10/11/2021 20:29
Subject: Re:TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an important piece. What a shame the cretins in charge of FCPS have never given the matter of TJ admissions a sliver of the attention this author devoted to the topic.
https://www.inquiremore.com/p/culture-not-racism-explains-asian
It is about what's in it for me NOW, not about the truth or long term. So stop with your logic.
Interesting piece but the school board are trying to serve all students by leveling the playing field as it were and making admissions more equitable. It's not just a prize for those who can afford expensive prep classes.
Anonymous
10/11/2021 00:00
Subject: Re:TJ admission should be a pure lottery for all who meet application requirements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an important piece. What a shame the cretins in charge of FCPS have never given the matter of TJ admissions a sliver of the attention this author devoted to the topic.
https://www.inquiremore.com/p/culture-not-racism-explains-asian
It is about what's in it for me NOW, not about the truth or long term. So stop with your logic.
Yes, I agree. The School Board members only think about the short-term political benefits they expect to get from sticking it to Asian kids who work harder.