Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 13:24     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:No. You're the idiot.

Technical skills are the combination of innate abilities like balance and coordination and hard work. There are a whole host of innate abilities - height, balance, speed, strength, ball coordination, jumping, visio-spatial field awareness.

Of those athletes are usually defined as the ones with speed, strength, and jumping ability.

Soccer players need those skills in the something like the following order: ball coordination, balance, speed, visio-spatial field awareness. Maybe you could switch the visio-spatial awareness with speed - not sure.

Basketball players need them in a different order, perhaps: height, ball coordination, jumping ability, etc.

I don't know exactly what combination of skills LeBron possesses - he may be capable of being a good technical player almost immediately because of his innate skillset. But if so, it will be because he has great ball coordination and the work ethic to practise hard, not because he is tall or strong or fast.

And when a bunch of kids are playing soccer, the ones with great ball coordination are the ones you should be selecting for, not the fast, tall or strong ones. Sure - if a kid has great ball coordination AND has great speed then that's better than great ball coordination without great speed. But if you only get to have one, you pick the ball coordination every time.


For the love of God...stop embarrassing yourself. LeBron James would be a terrible soccer player. Name one 6'9" soccer player who has played professionally. One. Oh, there has never been one? Case closed. Meanwhile, you could name a thousand guys who have played professionally at 5'6". Maradona wasn't 5'6" with heels on.


Just imagine a young LeBron James playing in youth soccer. Due to size size alone, he would definitely dominate and be recruited by every youth soccer coaches/clubs in the DMV.

At 13 years old, LeBron was 6-feet tall. He entered high school at 6-foot-4, 170-pounds and grew to 6-foot-6, 200 pounds as a high school sophomore.


How would dominate if all he did was play soccer the exact trainings as Messi from the same age. He's is just as fast twice as strong. The only thing stopping him is injury.


Someone tell their village to come collect their idiot.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 13:22     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No. You're the idiot.

Technical skills are the combination of innate abilities like balance and coordination and hard work. There are a whole host of innate abilities - height, balance, speed, strength, ball coordination, jumping, visio-spatial field awareness.

Of those athletes are usually defined as the ones with speed, strength, and jumping ability.

Soccer players need those skills in the something like the following order: ball coordination, balance, speed, visio-spatial field awareness. Maybe you could switch the visio-spatial awareness with speed - not sure.

Basketball players need them in a different order, perhaps: height, ball coordination, jumping ability, etc.

I don't know exactly what combination of skills LeBron possesses - he may be capable of being a good technical player almost immediately because of his innate skillset. But if so, it will be because he has great ball coordination and the work ethic to practise hard, not because he is tall or strong or fast.

And when a bunch of kids are playing soccer, the ones with great ball coordination are the ones you should be selecting for, not the fast, tall or strong ones. Sure - if a kid has great ball coordination AND has great speed then that's better than great ball coordination without great speed. But if you only get to have one, you pick the ball coordination every time.


For the love of God...stop embarrassing yourself. LeBron James would be a terrible soccer player. Name one 6'9" soccer player who has played professionally. One. Oh, there has never been one? Case closed. Meanwhile, you could name a thousand guys who have played professionally at 5'6". Maradona wasn't 5'6" with heels on.


Just imagine a young LeBron James playing in youth soccer. Due to size size alone, he would definitely dominate and be recruited by every youth soccer coaches/clubs in the DMV.

At 13 years old, LeBron was 6-feet tall. He entered high school at 6-foot-4, 170-pounds and grew to 6-foot-6, 200 pounds as a high school sophomore.


How would dominate if all he did was play soccer the exact trainings as Messi from the same age. He's is just as fast twice as strong. The only thing stopping him is injury.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 13:21     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No. You're the idiot.

Technical skills are the combination of innate abilities like balance and coordination and hard work. There are a whole host of innate abilities - height, balance, speed, strength, ball coordination, jumping, visio-spatial field awareness.

Of those athletes are usually defined as the ones with speed, strength, and jumping ability.

Soccer players need those skills in the something like the following order: ball coordination, balance, speed, visio-spatial field awareness. Maybe you could switch the visio-spatial awareness with speed - not sure.

Basketball players need them in a different order, perhaps: height, ball coordination, jumping ability, etc.

I don't know exactly what combination of skills LeBron possesses - he may be capable of being a good technical player almost immediately because of his innate skillset. But if so, it will be because he has great ball coordination and the work ethic to practise hard, not because he is tall or strong or fast.

And when a bunch of kids are playing soccer, the ones with great ball coordination are the ones you should be selecting for, not the fast, tall or strong ones. Sure - if a kid has great ball coordination AND has great speed then that's better than great ball coordination without great speed. But if you only get to have one, you pick the ball coordination every time.


For the love of God...stop embarrassing yourself. LeBron James would be a terrible soccer player. Name one 6'9" soccer player who has played professionally. One. Oh, there has never been one? Case closed. Meanwhile, you could name a thousand guys who have played professionally at 5'6". Maradona wasn't 5'6" with heels on.


Just imagine a young LeBron James playing in youth soccer. Due to size size alone, he would definitely dominate and be recruited by every youth soccer coaches/clubs in the DMV.

At 13 years old, LeBron was 6-feet tall. He entered high school at 6-foot-4, 170-pounds and grew to 6-foot-6, 200 pounds as a high school sophomore.


And, there's the point. LeBron would dominate at 13 based upon sheer size. But, that's a short-term plan and a waste of resources in the long-term to focus on developing kids who we are fairly certain will not continue with soccer. Are we trying to develop soccer players or buy U14 trophies? Seems to me the American system is focused on the latter.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 13:16     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
Anonymous wrote:No. You're the idiot.

Technical skills are the combination of innate abilities like balance and coordination and hard work. There are a whole host of innate abilities - height, balance, speed, strength, ball coordination, jumping, visio-spatial field awareness.

Of those athletes are usually defined as the ones with speed, strength, and jumping ability.

Soccer players need those skills in the something like the following order: ball coordination, balance, speed, visio-spatial field awareness. Maybe you could switch the visio-spatial awareness with speed - not sure.

Basketball players need them in a different order, perhaps: height, ball coordination, jumping ability, etc.

I don't know exactly what combination of skills LeBron possesses - he may be capable of being a good technical player almost immediately because of his innate skillset. But if so, it will be because he has great ball coordination and the work ethic to practise hard, not because he is tall or strong or fast.

And when a bunch of kids are playing soccer, the ones with great ball coordination are the ones you should be selecting for, not the fast, tall or strong ones. Sure - if a kid has great ball coordination AND has great speed then that's better than great ball coordination without great speed. But if you only get to have one, you pick the ball coordination every time.


For the love of God...stop embarrassing yourself. LeBron James would be a terrible soccer player. Name one 6'9" soccer player who has played professionally. One. Oh, there has never been one? Case closed. Meanwhile, you could name a thousand guys who have played professionally at 5'6". Maradona wasn't 5'6" with heels on.


Just imagine a young LeBron James playing in youth soccer. Due to size size alone, he would definitely dominate and be recruited by every youth soccer coaches/clubs in the DMV.

At 13 years old, LeBron was 6-feet tall. He entered high school at 6-foot-4, 170-pounds and grew to 6-foot-6, 200 pounds as a high school sophomore.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 13:02     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
No. You're the idiot.

Technical skills are the combination of innate abilities like balance and coordination and hard work. There are a whole host of innate abilities - height, balance, speed, strength, ball coordination, jumping, visio-spatial field awareness.

Of those athletes are usually defined as the ones with speed, strength, and jumping ability.

Soccer players need those skills in the something like the following order: ball coordination, balance, speed, visio-spatial field awareness. Maybe you could switch the visio-spatial awareness with speed - not sure.

Basketball players need them in a different order, perhaps: height, ball coordination, jumping ability, etc.

I don't know exactly what combination of skills LeBron possesses - he may be capable of being a good technical player almost immediately because of his innate skillset. But if so, it will be because he has great ball coordination and the work ethic to practise hard, not because he is tall or strong or fast.

And when a bunch of kids are playing soccer, the ones with great ball coordination are the ones you should be selecting for, not the fast, tall or strong ones. Sure - if a kid has great ball coordination AND has great speed then that's better than great ball coordination without great speed. But if you only get to have one, you pick the ball coordination every time.


For the love of God...stop embarrassing yourself. LeBron James would be a terrible soccer player. Name one 6'9" soccer player who has played professionally. One. Oh, there has never been one? Case closed. Meanwhile, you could name a thousand guys who have played professionally at 5'6". Maradona wasn't 5'6" with heels on.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:50     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
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Anonymous wrote:You are all missing my point. I agree mostly with the prior couple of posts. But is a kid is short and light, even if they are fast and skilled, they lose in the physical part of the game. The best short players I have seen are SOLID. Not thin, not light. Weight matters. Again—not complaining!!! I wish I could sing, but guess what… I can’t. Genes are genes.


And that's why Messi never amounted to anything.


Messi is a superior athlete first. Im sure if were raised in the Dominican Republic he would have ended up a HOF shortstop.


First of all, no...no one of his size would play short stop.
Second, what's your point exactly?


My point is Messi isn't there strictly because of his hard work and technical skills. He is a superior athlete who then worked hard on his technical skills to master them. His success doesn't happen if he weren't the athlete he is.


This is hysterical. Yeah - Barcelona picked Messi up because he was an athlete. He literally had no technical skills at all when they discovered him hanging upside down from a tree in Patagonia. They're actually kicking themslves for missing out on Usain Bolt who would have been an even better soccer player than Messi had they picked him up. How could they miss such an obvious superstar? What idiots.


No youre the idiot it is going over your head. Look at it this way. Lebron James who has never played soccer. Give him one year of training and he will be better than your son will ever be. Not good enough to play pro maybe . But by just being a superior athlete makes him quicker to learn and out perform the average athlete. Now put a soccer ball in front of him from age 5 and the same coaching as Messi received there is a 100% chance he become a pro soccer player.


No. You're the idiot.

Technical skills are the combination of innate abilities like balance and coordination and hard work. There are a whole host of innate abilities - height, balance, speed, strength, ball coordination, jumping, visio-spatial field awareness.

Of those athletes are usually defined as the ones with speed, strength, and jumping ability.

Soccer players need those skills in the something like the following order: ball coordination, balance, speed, visio-spatial field awareness. Maybe you could switch the visio-spatial awareness with speed - not sure.

Basketball players need them in a different order, perhaps: height, ball coordination, jumping ability, etc.

I don't know exactly what combination of skills LeBron possesses - he may be capable of being a good technical player almost immediately because of his innate skillset. But if so, it will be because he has great ball coordination and the work ethic to practise hard, not because he is tall or strong or fast.

And when a bunch of kids are playing soccer, the ones with great ball coordination are the ones you should be selecting for, not the fast, tall or strong ones. Sure - if a kid has great ball coordination AND has great speed then that's better than great ball coordination without great speed. But if you only get to have one, you pick the ball coordination every time.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:26     Subject: Re:Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
My kid is a small, short, quick player and gets pushed around playing in the middle, but playing wing is okay. And speed wise it's been tough for my kid to keep up with some of the bigger kids in U13. It's been tough cause when they were all relatively the same size at U10/U11 my kid was one of the faster players. I would say find a team that will play players that deserve to play based on their ability rather than size. I will admit bigger players in certain positions like CB, 6 and 9 can make a big difference as they tend to be challenged less b/c of their size.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:09     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
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Anonymous wrote:You are all missing my point. I agree mostly with the prior couple of posts. But is a kid is short and light, even if they are fast and skilled, they lose in the physical part of the game. The best short players I have seen are SOLID. Not thin, not light. Weight matters. Again—not complaining!!! I wish I could sing, but guess what… I can’t. Genes are genes.


And that's why Messi never amounted to anything.


Messi is a superior athlete first. Im sure if were raised in the Dominican Republic he would have ended up a HOF shortstop.


First of all, no...no one of his size would play short stop.
Second, what's your point exactly?


My point is Messi isn't there strictly because of his hard work and technical skills. He is a superior athlete who then worked hard on his technical skills to master them. His success doesn't happen if he weren't the athlete he is.


This is hysterical. Yeah - Barcelona picked Messi up because he was an athlete. He literally had no technical skills at all when they discovered him hanging upside down from a tree in Patagonia. They're actually kicking themslves for missing out on Usain Bolt who would have been an even better soccer player than Messi had they picked him up. How could they miss such an obvious superstar? What idiots.


No youre the idiot it is going over your head. Look at it this way. Lebron James who has never played soccer. Give him one year of training and he will be better than your son will ever be. Not good enough to play pro maybe . But by just being a superior athlete makes him quicker to learn and out perform the average athlete. Now put a soccer ball in front of him from age 5 and the same coaching as Messi received there is a 100% chance he become a pro soccer player.


We have many incredibly fast, big kids on my son's high school team that are completely ineffective in the game. They can be right in front of an open goal and their shot will be nowhere on target, forget about trying to volley off a cross, etc. They also do a version of a 'kick run' dribble that they get stripped of over and over again. They CANNOT make a pass to save their lives---incredibly off target often to the other team's feet.

One of the two coaches sees that and will pull them out accordingly, the other Coach is more American soccer/American football mentality and hasn't been able to deduce: those kids in: we keep scoring and maintain possession. those kids out: we keep getting scored on and losing possession. When those untalented ones are in it is like ping pong--volleys back and forth and chaotic.

There, of course, are a few big kids that also have the smarts and talents and smaller kids that are very fast, skilled and physically can effectively shield and tackle the much larger opponents. Generalizations on size are usually not warranted. But, big will stand out to coaches that don't know the sport well.


Yep. Same with our travel team I will see the midfield collapse in on itself and we will have zero finishes in parts of the game for the same reason.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:02     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:You are all missing my point. I agree mostly with the prior couple of posts. But is a kid is short and light, even if they are fast and skilled, they lose in the physical part of the game. The best short players I have seen are SOLID. Not thin, not light. Weight matters. Again—not complaining!!! I wish I could sing, but guess what… I can’t. Genes are genes.


And that's why Messi never amounted to anything.


Messi is a superior athlete first. Im sure if were raised in the Dominican Republic he would have ended up a HOF shortstop.


First of all, no...no one of his size would play short stop.
Second, what's your point exactly?


My point is Messi isn't there strictly because of his hard work and technical skills. He is a superior athlete who then worked hard on his technical skills to master them. His success doesn't happen if he weren't the athlete he is.


This is hysterical. Yeah - Barcelona picked Messi up because he was an athlete. He literally had no technical skills at all when they discovered him hanging upside down from a tree in Patagonia. They're actually kicking themslves for missing out on Usain Bolt who would have been an even better soccer player than Messi had they picked him up. How could they miss such an obvious superstar? What idiots.


No youre the idiot it is going over your head. Look at it this way. Lebron James who has never played soccer. Give him one year of training and he will be better than your son will ever be. Not good enough to play pro maybe . But by just being a superior athlete makes him quicker to learn and out perform the average athlete. Now put a soccer ball in front of him from age 5 and the same coaching as Messi received there is a 100% chance he become a pro soccer player.


We have many incredibly fast, big kids on my son's high school team that are completely ineffective in the game. They can be right in front of an open goal and their shot will be nowhere on target, forget about trying to volley off a cross, etc. They also do a version of a 'kick run' dribble that they get stripped of over and over again. They CANNOT make a pass to save their lives---incredibly off target often to the other team's feet.

One of the two coaches sees that and will pull them out accordingly, the other Coach is more American soccer/American football mentality and hasn't been able to deduce: those kids in: we keep scoring and maintain possession. those kids out: we keep getting scored on and losing possession. When those untalented ones are in it is like ping pong--volleys back and forth and chaotic.

There, of course, are a few big kids that also have the smarts and talents and smaller kids that are very fast, skilled and physically can effectively shield and tackle the much larger opponents. Generalizations on size are usually not warranted. But, big will stand out to coaches that don't know the sport well.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 11:18     Subject: Re:Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Alot of this is actually subconscious bias. My kid is a small preteen kid who plays up a year. It's typical for him to be ID'd at any camp as the kid with the best skillset (footwork, quickness, tenacity). He has been recruited by many local clubs and always offered top team. But, when he gets on a roster (multiple coaches, multiple clubs), the bulk of the playing time goes to the bigger kids. It doesn't bother him because he just wants to have fun. But, it's just a nasty habit of American coaches to lean on size over skill. And, well, how's that working out for us on the international stage? Not so great, I'd argue


Playing a tiny kid up a year is idiotic.


You know what's more idiotic...letting a kid score goals nonstop on sitting ducks and letting the player regress into mediocrity. Little kids need to overcome their size challenges. Not a coincidence that many of the more skilled kids are the ones who have had older, bigger siblings push them around.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 10:56     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:You are all missing my point. I agree mostly with the prior couple of posts. But is a kid is short and light, even if they are fast and skilled, they lose in the physical part of the game. The best short players I have seen are SOLID. Not thin, not light. Weight matters. Again—not complaining!!! I wish I could sing, but guess what… I can’t. Genes are genes.


And that's why Messi never amounted to anything.


Messi is a superior athlete first. Im sure if were raised in the Dominican Republic he would have ended up a HOF shortstop.


First of all, no...no one of his size would play short stop.
Second, what's your point exactly?


My point is Messi isn't there strictly because of his hard work and technical skills. He is a superior athlete who then worked hard on his technical skills to master them. His success doesn't happen if he weren't the athlete he is.


This is hysterical. Yeah - Barcelona picked Messi up because he was an athlete. He literally had no technical skills at all when they discovered him hanging upside down from a tree in Patagonia. They're actually kicking themslves for missing out on Usain Bolt who would have been an even better soccer player than Messi had they picked him up. How could they miss such an obvious superstar? What idiots.


No youre the idiot it is going over your head. Look at it this way. Lebron James who has never played soccer. Give him one year of training and he will be better than your son will ever be. Not good enough to play pro maybe . But by just being a superior athlete makes him quicker to learn and out perform the average athlete. Now put a soccer ball in front of him from age 5 and the same coaching as Messi received there is a 100% chance he become a pro soccer player.


Tyreek Hill, the NFL’s fastest player, would be a better example. His speed, explosiveness and quickness/agility would be unstoppable if he had soccer skills too.


Yeah, that's why the world's fastest man got offered a contract in Malta's 2nd division and Sergio Busquets has a World Cup medal.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 10:38     Subject: Re:Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
Anonymous wrote:short people got, no reason to, short people got, no reason to!


Looks like someone needs to go back to grade-school level English class.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 10:34     Subject: Re:Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
short people got, no reason to, short people got, no reason to!
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 10:28     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:You are all missing my point. I agree mostly with the prior couple of posts. But is a kid is short and light, even if they are fast and skilled, they lose in the physical part of the game. The best short players I have seen are SOLID. Not thin, not light. Weight matters. Again—not complaining!!! I wish I could sing, but guess what… I can’t. Genes are genes.


And that's why Messi never amounted to anything.


Messi is a superior athlete first. Im sure if were raised in the Dominican Republic he would have ended up a HOF shortstop.


First of all, no...no one of his size would play short stop.
Second, what's your point exactly?


My point is Messi isn't there strictly because of his hard work and technical skills. He is a superior athlete who then worked hard on his technical skills to master them. His success doesn't happen if he weren't the athlete he is.


This is hysterical. Yeah - Barcelona picked Messi up because he was an athlete. He literally had no technical skills at all when they discovered him hanging upside down from a tree in Patagonia. They're actually kicking themslves for missing out on Usain Bolt who would have been an even better soccer player than Messi had they picked him up. How could they miss such an obvious superstar? What idiots.


No youre the idiot it is going over your head. Look at it this way. Lebron James who has never played soccer. Give him one year of training and he will be better than your son will ever be. Not good enough to play pro maybe . But by just being a superior athlete makes him quicker to learn and out perform the average athlete. Now put a soccer ball in front of him from age 5 and the same coaching as Messi received there is a 100% chance he become a pro soccer player.


Tyreek Hill, the NFL’s fastest player, would be a better example. His speed, explosiveness and quickness/agility would be unstoppable if he had soccer skills too.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 08:49     Subject: Tall kids playing; Short kids sitting
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are all missing my point. I agree mostly with the prior couple of posts. But is a kid is short and light, even if they are fast and skilled, they lose in the physical part of the game. The best short players I have seen are SOLID. Not thin, not light. Weight matters. Again—not complaining!!! I wish I could sing, but guess what… I can’t. Genes are genes.


And that's why Messi never amounted to anything.


Messi is a superior athlete first. Im sure if were raised in the Dominican Republic he would have ended up a HOF shortstop.


First of all, no...no one of his size would play short stop.
Second, what's your point exactly?


My point is Messi isn't there strictly because of his hard work and technical skills. He is a superior athlete who then worked hard on his technical skills to master them. His success doesn't happen if he weren't the athlete he is.


This is hysterical. Yeah - Barcelona picked Messi up because he was an athlete. He literally had no technical skills at all when they discovered him hanging upside down from a tree in Patagonia. They're actually kicking themslves for missing out on Usain Bolt who would have been an even better soccer player than Messi had they picked him up. How could they miss such an obvious superstar? What idiots.


No youre the idiot it is going over your head. Look at it this way. Lebron James who has never played soccer. Give him one year of training and he will be better than your son will ever be. Not good enough to play pro maybe . But by just being a superior athlete makes him quicker to learn and out perform the average athlete. Now put a soccer ball in front of him from age 5 and the same coaching as Messi received there is a 100% chance he become a pro soccer player.