Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 21:17     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

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Anonymous wrote:I was through M Street this AM and was surprised. Pretty awful aesthetically and functionally, unless the goal is to discourage people from coming to Georgetown? If that’s the case, they’ve don’t a great job.


I completely disagree. Georgetown is much more pleasant with wider sidewalks. It seems most others agree, as it feels busier than ever.

Unfortunately, it’s not “busier than ever”. Do historic streets lined with depression grey-painted jersey barriers provide a welcoming aesthetic for a neighborhood highly dependent on attracting people to come and spend money? It looks it it’s working for you personally but it seems that you are not representative of general consumers.

https://dcist.com/story/21/03/11/georgetown-pushes-to-overcome-its-flurry-of-closures/


DP. I agree that the streets of Georgetown would be much more attractive with permanently wider sidewalks and fewer cars, driving or parked. The jersey walls should only be a temporary solution.

They could commission artists to paint them. They could instead use different materials in keeping with the historic character of the neighborhood, like iron. They could extend the sidewalk. They could go back to way it used to be. Instead they have chosen to make Georgetown look like it’s under military occupation, which is absolutely the worst possible choice for this historic neighborhood.


Actually I think that the omnipresent, unhistorical cars have a far bigger aesthetic and functional impact than the jersey walls on the historic character of Georgetown.


I am not sure what you are advocating, unless less safe streets and a return to horses and buggies (notably automobiles were originally called horseless carriages afterall).

The unpleasant aesthetics aside, particularly on the quality of the streetscape, the jersey barriers make the neighborhood less safe. Research demonstrates that barriers, and a jersey barrier is the most extreme, create less safe road conditions. Shared streets, particularly removing barriers, is the safest approach that would improve safety and the quality of the neighborhood.


Banning cars built post-WWII in georgetown? that actually is a really good idea. Why do we only regulate the buildings, but not cars in georgetown? Seems like a missed opportunity.

Why stop at cars? Let’s ban all post WWII technology.

Did the history of Georgetown stop at WWII? I don’t get why that’s such an important date. Someone previously said the year 1800 was the most important date. Is there a reason for that? What was important about 1800?

Best period in the history of Georgetown was the early 1980s. 18 drinking age. St Elmos Fire.

If only they could have frozen that Georgetown in time. Best period in the history of Georgetown ever.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 16:15     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

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Anonymous wrote:I was through M Street this AM and was surprised. Pretty awful aesthetically and functionally, unless the goal is to discourage people from coming to Georgetown? If that’s the case, they’ve don’t a great job.


I completely disagree. Georgetown is much more pleasant with wider sidewalks. It seems most others agree, as it feels busier than ever.

Unfortunately, it’s not “busier than ever”. Do historic streets lined with depression grey-painted jersey barriers provide a welcoming aesthetic for a neighborhood highly dependent on attracting people to come and spend money? It looks it it’s working for you personally but it seems that you are not representative of general consumers.

https://dcist.com/story/21/03/11/georgetown-pushes-to-overcome-its-flurry-of-closures/


DP. I agree that the streets of Georgetown would be much more attractive with permanently wider sidewalks and fewer cars, driving or parked. The jersey walls should only be a temporary solution.

They could commission artists to paint them. They could instead use different materials in keeping with the historic character of the neighborhood, like iron. They could extend the sidewalk. They could go back to way it used to be. Instead they have chosen to make Georgetown look like it’s under military occupation, which is absolutely the worst possible choice for this historic neighborhood.


Actually I think that the omnipresent, unhistorical cars have a far bigger aesthetic and functional impact than the jersey walls on the historic character of Georgetown.


I am not sure what you are advocating, unless less safe streets and a return to horses and buggies (notably automobiles were originally called horseless carriages afterall).

The unpleasant aesthetics aside, particularly on the quality of the streetscape, the jersey barriers make the neighborhood less safe. Research demonstrates that barriers, and a jersey barrier is the most extreme, create less safe road conditions. Shared streets, particularly removing barriers, is the safest approach that would improve safety and the quality of the neighborhood.


Banning cars built post-WWII in georgetown? that actually is a really good idea. Why do we only regulate the buildings, but not cars in georgetown? Seems like a missed opportunity.

Why stop at cars? Let’s ban all post WWII technology.

Did the history of Georgetown stop at WWII? I don’t get why that’s such an important date. Someone previously said the year 1800 was the most important date. Is there a reason for that? What was important about 1800?
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 16:12     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

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Why stop at cars? Let’s ban all post WWII technology.


As being incompatible with the Georgetown historic district? OK, if that's what you want.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 15:43     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was through M Street this AM and was surprised. Pretty awful aesthetically and functionally, unless the goal is to discourage people from coming to Georgetown? If that’s the case, they’ve don’t a great job.


I completely disagree. Georgetown is much more pleasant with wider sidewalks. It seems most others agree, as it feels busier than ever.

Unfortunately, it’s not “busier than ever”. Do historic streets lined with depression grey-painted jersey barriers provide a welcoming aesthetic for a neighborhood highly dependent on attracting people to come and spend money? It looks it it’s working for you personally but it seems that you are not representative of general consumers.

https://dcist.com/story/21/03/11/georgetown-pushes-to-overcome-its-flurry-of-closures/


DP. I agree that the streets of Georgetown would be much more attractive with permanently wider sidewalks and fewer cars, driving or parked. The jersey walls should only be a temporary solution.

They could commission artists to paint them. They could instead use different materials in keeping with the historic character of the neighborhood, like iron. They could extend the sidewalk. They could go back to way it used to be. Instead they have chosen to make Georgetown look like it’s under military occupation, which is absolutely the worst possible choice for this historic neighborhood.


Actually I think that the omnipresent, unhistorical cars have a far bigger aesthetic and functional impact than the jersey walls on the historic character of Georgetown.


I am not sure what you are advocating, unless less safe streets and a return to horses and buggies (notably automobiles were originally called horseless carriages afterall).

The unpleasant aesthetics aside, particularly on the quality of the streetscape, the jersey barriers make the neighborhood less safe. Research demonstrates that barriers, and a jersey barrier is the most extreme, create less safe road conditions. Shared streets, particularly removing barriers, is the safest approach that would improve safety and the quality of the neighborhood.


Banning cars built post-WWII in georgetown? that actually is a really good idea. Why do we only regulate the buildings, but not cars in georgetown? Seems like a missed opportunity.

Why stop at cars? Let’s ban all post WWII technology.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 11:42     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

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Anonymous wrote:There are plenty empty office buildings and shopping centers along major roads in MC. Why don’t County repurpose them to residential usage first? Environmentally, it puts people near transit so less spread and pollution. More green space will be saved.

What does this have to do with dangerous and unsightly depression grey jersey barriers in Georgetown.


How are they dangerous? Other than that it's more dangerous for a driver to hit a jersey wall than a sidewalk with pedestrians.

They increase the likelihood of accidents.


Data? Evidence?
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 11:42     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was through M Street this AM and was surprised. Pretty awful aesthetically and functionally, unless the goal is to discourage people from coming to Georgetown? If that’s the case, they’ve don’t a great job.


I completely disagree. Georgetown is much more pleasant with wider sidewalks. It seems most others agree, as it feels busier than ever.

Unfortunately, it’s not “busier than ever”. Do historic streets lined with depression grey-painted jersey barriers provide a welcoming aesthetic for a neighborhood highly dependent on attracting people to come and spend money? It looks it it’s working for you personally but it seems that you are not representative of general consumers.

https://dcist.com/story/21/03/11/georgetown-pushes-to-overcome-its-flurry-of-closures/


DP. I agree that the streets of Georgetown would be much more attractive with permanently wider sidewalks and fewer cars, driving or parked. The jersey walls should only be a temporary solution.

They could commission artists to paint them. They could instead use different materials in keeping with the historic character of the neighborhood, like iron. They could extend the sidewalk. They could go back to way it used to be. Instead they have chosen to make Georgetown look like it’s under military occupation, which is absolutely the worst possible choice for this historic neighborhood.


Actually I think that the omnipresent, unhistorical cars have a far bigger aesthetic and functional impact than the jersey walls on the historic character of Georgetown.


I am not sure what you are advocating, unless less safe streets and a return to horses and buggies (notably automobiles were originally called horseless carriages afterall).

The unpleasant aesthetics aside, particularly on the quality of the streetscape, the jersey barriers make the neighborhood less safe. Research demonstrates that barriers, and a jersey barrier is the most extreme, create less safe road conditions. Shared streets, particularly removing barriers, is the safest approach that would improve safety and the quality of the neighborhood.


Banning cars built post-WWII in georgetown? that actually is a really good idea. Why do we only regulate the buildings, but not cars in georgetown? Seems like a missed opportunity.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 06:43     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty empty office buildings and shopping centers along major roads in MC. Why don’t County repurpose them to residential usage first? Environmentally, it puts people near transit so less spread and pollution. More green space will be saved.

What does this have to do with dangerous and unsightly depression grey jersey barriers in Georgetown.


How are they dangerous? Other than that it's more dangerous for a driver to hit a jersey wall than a sidewalk with pedestrians.

They increase the likelihood of accidents.


Citation please. Specifically, about jersey walls increasing the likelihood of crashes on city streets with frequent traffic signals and lots of pedestrians, bicyclists, and buses using the roads.

Does the "citation" need to also only be relevant for historic districts? LOL.

Yes. But only in the Mid-Atlantic region. LOL.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2021 21:44     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty empty office buildings and shopping centers along major roads in MC. Why don’t County repurpose them to residential usage first? Environmentally, it puts people near transit so less spread and pollution. More green space will be saved.

What does this have to do with dangerous and unsightly depression grey jersey barriers in Georgetown.


How are they dangerous? Other than that it's more dangerous for a driver to hit a jersey wall than a sidewalk with pedestrians.

They increase the likelihood of accidents.


Citation please. Specifically, about jersey walls increasing the likelihood of crashes on city streets with frequent traffic signals and lots of pedestrians, bicyclists, and buses using the roads.

Does the "citation" need to also only be relevant for historic districts? LOL.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2021 14:01     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

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Anonymous wrote:There are plenty empty office buildings and shopping centers along major roads in MC. Why don’t County repurpose them to residential usage first? Environmentally, it puts people near transit so less spread and pollution. More green space will be saved.

What does this have to do with dangerous and unsightly depression grey jersey barriers in Georgetown.


Sorry, I meant to type to the MC 2050 thread
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2021 13:51     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty empty office buildings and shopping centers along major roads in MC. Why don’t County repurpose them to residential usage first? Environmentally, it puts people near transit so less spread and pollution. More green space will be saved.

What does this have to do with dangerous and unsightly depression grey jersey barriers in Georgetown.


How are they dangerous? Other than that it's more dangerous for a driver to hit a jersey wall than a sidewalk with pedestrians.

They increase the likelihood of accidents.


Citation please. Specifically, about jersey walls increasing the likelihood of crashes on city streets with frequent traffic signals and lots of pedestrians, bicyclists, and buses using the roads.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2021 13:48     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty empty office buildings and shopping centers along major roads in MC. Why don’t County repurpose them to residential usage first? Environmentally, it puts people near transit so less spread and pollution. More green space will be saved.

What does this have to do with dangerous and unsightly depression grey jersey barriers in Georgetown.


How are they dangerous? Other than that it's more dangerous for a driver to hit a jersey wall than a sidewalk with pedestrians.

They increase the likelihood of accidents.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2021 13:31     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty empty office buildings and shopping centers along major roads in MC. Why don’t County repurpose them to residential usage first? Environmentally, it puts people near transit so less spread and pollution. More green space will be saved.

What does this have to do with dangerous and unsightly depression grey jersey barriers in Georgetown.


How are they dangerous? Other than that it's more dangerous for a driver to hit a jersey wall than a sidewalk with pedestrians.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2021 13:30     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

Anonymous wrote:There are plenty empty office buildings and shopping centers along major roads in MC. Why don’t County repurpose them to residential usage first? Environmentally, it puts people near transit so less spread and pollution. More green space will be saved.


You want the county to buy office buildings and shopping centers along arterials, demolish the buildings, and build housing units on the property? Could you give an example of an office building or shopping center you think the county should buy?

Also, how is this relevant to jersey walls in Georgetown, which is the topic of this thread.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2021 13:28     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

Anonymous wrote:There are plenty empty office buildings and shopping centers along major roads in MC. Why don’t County repurpose them to residential usage first? Environmentally, it puts people near transit so less spread and pollution. More green space will be saved.

What does this have to do with dangerous and unsightly depression grey jersey barriers in Georgetown.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2021 13:22     Subject: Georgetown Jersey Barriers

There are plenty empty office buildings and shopping centers along major roads in MC. Why don’t County repurpose them to residential usage first? Environmentally, it puts people near transit so less spread and pollution. More green space will be saved.