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Anonymous wrote:I do not worry about speech delay as much as I worry about kids' not seeing facial expression and not learning to read social cues, see emotions and connect emotions with facial expressions, or words with facial expressions except what they see in caregivers' eyes. I mean, we have no choice but yes, it bothers me as well. But I say, we should be grateful anyone even working in daycares, teachers are quitting in droves and no, they are not comfortable cuddling and hugging kids, and that is even worse than kids not seeing faces. It must be very stressful for teachers to work in daycare right now. I wish this would be over, it creates a whole host of issues that we never faced before! Courage everyone. Just make sure to spend a lot of time with your child at home.

I hadn’t even considered the lack of cuddles. This makes me think I need to extend my leave. I’m supposed to go back when my baby is 16 weeks but I just don’t think I can stomach this.

The caregivers at our daycare are just as hands-on and cuddly with the infants and toddlers now as they were pre-pandemic.

They shouldn’t be cuddling. And they are masked. I would extend leave as long as possible or find other arrangements with an infant.

I call troll lol

NOPE. Just a mom.

So, what do you propose they do? Leave them isolated in cribs for 8-10 hours a day? Hands off approach, unless they are feeding a child or changing a diaper?
Just love you people who are so privileged that you think it is easy for everyone to extend their leave or "find other arrangements" for infant care. You realize the majority of the country doesn't have that luxury, right?

Ignore the crazy poster who thinks daycare teachers aren't cuddling babies. That person is not in touch with reality.

My baby’s daycare teachers are NOT cuddling the babies or hugging the toddlers. That is my reality and I’m very much in touch with it. No close face contact at all.

Omg your daycare is bonkers

No, it isn’t.

You kept telling yourself that

Oh, Jesus, come on! NP here with a child in daycare and a former daycare teacher, the teachers aren’t “cuddling” your babies! Even pre-covid, most have a 3 to 1 ratio, and the teachers can’t cuddle all of them all the time. Now with covid and masks (that the babies love to pull off) they hold them even less.

Believe what you want, PP, but you’re in serious denial and ridiculously defensive.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not worry about speech delay as much as I worry about kids' not seeing facial expression and not learning to read social cues, see emotions and connect emotions with facial expressions, or words with facial expressions except what they see in caregivers' eyes. I mean, we have no choice but yes, it bothers me as well. But I say, we should be grateful anyone even working in daycares, teachers are quitting in droves and no, they are not comfortable cuddling and hugging kids, and that is even worse than kids not seeing faces. It must be very stressful for teachers to work in daycare right now. I wish this would be over, it creates a whole host of issues that we never faced before! Courage everyone. Just make sure to spend a lot of time with your child at home.

I hadn’t even considered the lack of cuddles. This makes me think I need to extend my leave. I’m supposed to go back when my baby is 16 weeks but I just don’t think I can stomach this.

The caregivers at our daycare are just as hands-on and cuddly with the infants and toddlers now as they were pre-pandemic.

They shouldn’t be cuddling. And they are masked. I would extend leave as long as possible or find other arrangements with an infant.

I call troll lol

NOPE. Just a mom.

So, what do you propose they do? Leave them isolated in cribs for 8-10 hours a day? Hands off approach, unless they are feeding a child or changing a diaper?
Just love you people who are so privileged that you think it is easy for everyone to extend their leave or "find other arrangements" for infant care. You realize the majority of the country doesn't have that luxury, right?

Ignore the crazy poster who thinks daycare teachers aren't cuddling babies. That person is not in touch with reality.

My baby’s daycare teachers are NOT cuddling the babies or hugging the toddlers. That is my reality and I’m very much in touch with it. No close face contact at all.

Omg your daycare is bonkers

No, it isn’t.

You kept telling yourself that

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Anonymous wrote:I do not worry about speech delay as much as I worry about kids' not seeing facial expression and not learning to read social cues, see emotions and connect emotions with facial expressions, or words with facial expressions except what they see in caregivers' eyes. I mean, we have no choice but yes, it bothers me as well. But I say, we should be grateful anyone even working in daycares, teachers are quitting in droves and no, they are not comfortable cuddling and hugging kids, and that is even worse than kids not seeing faces. It must be very stressful for teachers to work in daycare right now. I wish this would be over, it creates a whole host of issues that we never faced before! Courage everyone. Just make sure to spend a lot of time with your child at home.

I hadn’t even considered the lack of cuddles. This makes me think I need to extend my leave. I’m supposed to go back when my baby is 16 weeks but I just don’t think I can stomach this.

The caregivers at our daycare are just as hands-on and cuddly with the infants and toddlers now as they were pre-pandemic.

They shouldn’t be cuddling. And they are masked. I would extend leave as long as possible or find other arrangements with an infant.

I call troll lol

NOPE. Just a mom.

So, what do you propose they do? Leave them isolated in cribs for 8-10 hours a day? Hands off approach, unless they are feeding a child or changing a diaper?
Just love you people who are so privileged that you think it is easy for everyone to extend their leave or "find other arrangements" for infant care. You realize the majority of the country doesn't have that luxury, right?

Ignore the crazy poster who thinks daycare teachers aren't cuddling babies. That person is not in touch with reality.

My baby’s daycare teachers are NOT cuddling the babies or hugging the toddlers. That is my reality and I’m very much in touch with it. No close face contact at all.

Omg your daycare is bonkers

No, it isn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not worry about speech delay as much as I worry about kids' not seeing facial expression and not learning to read social cues, see emotions and connect emotions with facial expressions, or words with facial expressions except what they see in caregivers' eyes. I mean, we have no choice but yes, it bothers me as well. But I say, we should be grateful anyone even working in daycares, teachers are quitting in droves and no, they are not comfortable cuddling and hugging kids, and that is even worse than kids not seeing faces. It must be very stressful for teachers to work in daycare right now. I wish this would be over, it creates a whole host of issues that we never faced before! Courage everyone. Just make sure to spend a lot of time with your child at home.

I hadn’t even considered the lack of cuddles. This makes me think I need to extend my leave. I’m supposed to go back when my baby is 16 weeks but I just don’t think I can stomach this.

The caregivers at our daycare are just as hands-on and cuddly with the infants and toddlers now as they were pre-pandemic.

They shouldn’t be cuddling. And they are masked. I would extend leave as long as possible or find other arrangements with an infant.

I call troll lol

NOPE. Just a mom.

So, what do you propose they do? Leave them isolated in cribs for 8-10 hours a day? Hands off approach, unless they are feeding a child or changing a diaper?
Just love you people who are so privileged that you think it is easy for everyone to extend their leave or "find other arrangements" for infant care. You realize the majority of the country doesn't have that luxury, right?

Ignore the crazy poster who thinks daycare teachers aren't cuddling babies. That person is not in touch with reality.

My baby’s daycare teachers are NOT cuddling the babies or hugging the toddlers. That is my reality and I’m very much in touch with it. No close face contact at all.

Omg your daycare is bonkers

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Anonymous wrote:I do not worry about speech delay as much as I worry about kids' not seeing facial expression and not learning to read social cues, see emotions and connect emotions with facial expressions, or words with facial expressions except what they see in caregivers' eyes. I mean, we have no choice but yes, it bothers me as well. But I say, we should be grateful anyone even working in daycares, teachers are quitting in droves and no, they are not comfortable cuddling and hugging kids, and that is even worse than kids not seeing faces. It must be very stressful for teachers to work in daycare right now. I wish this would be over, it creates a whole host of issues that we never faced before! Courage everyone. Just make sure to spend a lot of time with your child at home.

I hadn’t even considered the lack of cuddles. This makes me think I need to extend my leave. I’m supposed to go back when my baby is 16 weeks but I just don’t think I can stomach this.

The caregivers at our daycare are just as hands-on and cuddly with the infants and toddlers now as they were pre-pandemic.

They shouldn’t be cuddling. And they are masked. I would extend leave as long as possible or find other arrangements with an infant.

I call troll lol

NOPE. Just a mom.

So, what do you propose they do? Leave them isolated in cribs for 8-10 hours a day? Hands off approach, unless they are feeding a child or changing a diaper?
Just love you people who are so privileged that you think it is easy for everyone to extend their leave or "find other arrangements" for infant care. You realize the majority of the country doesn't have that luxury, right?

Ignore the crazy poster who thinks daycare teachers aren't cuddling babies. That person is not in touch with reality.

My baby’s daycare teachers are NOT cuddling the babies or hugging the toddlers. That is my reality and I’m very much in touch with it. No close face contact at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not worry about speech delay as much as I worry about kids' not seeing facial expression and not learning to read social cues, see emotions and connect emotions with facial expressions, or words with facial expressions except what they see in caregivers' eyes. I mean, we have no choice but yes, it bothers me as well. But I say, we should be grateful anyone even working in daycares, teachers are quitting in droves and no, they are not comfortable cuddling and hugging kids, and that is even worse than kids not seeing faces. It must be very stressful for teachers to work in daycare right now. I wish this would be over, it creates a whole host of issues that we never faced before! Courage everyone. Just make sure to spend a lot of time with your child at home.

I hadn’t even considered the lack of cuddles. This makes me think I need to extend my leave. I’m supposed to go back when my baby is 16 weeks but I just don’t think I can stomach this.

The caregivers at our daycare are just as hands-on and cuddly with the infants and toddlers now as they were pre-pandemic.

They shouldn’t be cuddling. And they are masked. I would extend leave as long as possible or find other arrangements with an infant.

I call troll lol

NOPE. Just a mom.

So, what do you propose they do? Leave them isolated in cribs for 8-10 hours a day? Hands off approach, unless they are feeding a child or changing a diaper?
Just love you people who are so privileged that you think it is easy for everyone to extend their leave or "find other arrangements" for infant care. You realize the majority of the country doesn't have that luxury, right?

No, just don’t cuddle the babies. Play, sing, hold away from your face, carry, read, etc. Not a hands-off approach but definitely not putting the baby’s face next to the teacher’s face.

And, yes, since the poster said she’s thinking of extending her leave, I assume that she can extend her leave.

And further, my baby is in daycare and I couldn’t extend my maternity leave! Where is my privilege? Posters who disagree with you are not all trolls and parents-of-wealth.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not worry about speech delay as much as I worry about kids' not seeing facial expression and not learning to read social cues, see emotions and connect emotions with facial expressions, or words with facial expressions except what they see in caregivers' eyes. I mean, we have no choice but yes, it bothers me as well. But I say, we should be grateful anyone even working in daycares, teachers are quitting in droves and no, they are not comfortable cuddling and hugging kids, and that is even worse than kids not seeing faces. It must be very stressful for teachers to work in daycare right now. I wish this would be over, it creates a whole host of issues that we never faced before! Courage everyone. Just make sure to spend a lot of time with your child at home.

I hadn’t even considered the lack of cuddles. This makes me think I need to extend my leave. I’m supposed to go back when my baby is 16 weeks but I just don’t think I can stomach this.

The caregivers at our daycare are just as hands-on and cuddly with the infants and toddlers now as they were pre-pandemic.

They shouldn’t be cuddling. And they are masked. I would extend leave as long as possible or find other arrangements with an infant.

I call troll lol

NOPE. Just a mom.

So, what do you propose they do? Leave them isolated in cribs for 8-10 hours a day? Hands off approach, unless they are feeding a child or changing a diaper?
Just love you people who are so privileged that you think it is easy for everyone to extend their leave or "find other arrangements" for infant care. You realize the majority of the country doesn't have that luxury, right?

Ignore the crazy poster who thinks daycare teachers aren't cuddling babies. That person is not in touch with reality.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate those acknowledging that we just don’t know. Anecdotal evidence is just that. Personally I’d be comfortable when rates drop soon if vaccinated caregivers of 0-2 group could unmask. It does not seem merited based on risk levels. Teachers should not have to mask forever and we just don’t know the effects on kids’ development.

+1.

+2. My 21 month old has almost no words. Could it be the masks? Maybe? Or maybe it’s just his path. Who knows, but it has certainly crossed my mind that he should spend more time around unmasked people. The speech therapist we’ve just barely started working with also said there’s a lot of speech delayed kids right now, but it could be more attachment parenting because people are trying to wfh with their kids and just keep them happy. Again, who knows.

+1 to above PP
FWIW our DD had no words at 17 months after spending 5 months at home with us and no other in person interaction and started talking immediately after starting daycare with masked caregivers. I think it is likely the pandemic may be impacting speech development in more ways than one, not just because of masks.

You’ll find anecdata on either side. My friend’s older DD talked a lot after starting daycare and always credited daycare with her daughter’a speech. Her second DD had only 5 words at 24 months and they figured her language would explode at daycare. She’s 2.5 and her speech is still delayed. Masked environment most of her waking hours isn’t ideal for language development.

It's not "anecdata" if the person is acknowledging the alternative and not assuming their "anecdote" establishes causality. It's just an anecdote to illustrate the different mechanisms through which the pandemic might increase speech delays.

Yes, but many in this thread and others say their child's language developed fine at daycare, so masking toddlers and caregivers is fine. I suspect it's less problematic for some typically developing kids with involved parents and much worse for others.

That's not what I was saying, at all, so don't "anecdata" me.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate those acknowledging that we just don’t know. Anecdotal evidence is just that. Personally I’d be comfortable when rates drop soon if vaccinated caregivers of 0-2 group could unmask. It does not seem merited based on risk levels. Teachers should not have to mask forever and we just don’t know the effects on kids’ development.

+1.

+2. My 21 month old has almost no words. Could it be the masks? Maybe? Or maybe it’s just his path. Who knows, but it has certainly crossed my mind that he should spend more time around unmasked people. The speech therapist we’ve just barely started working with also said there’s a lot of speech delayed kids right now, but it could be more attachment parenting because people are trying to wfh with their kids and just keep them happy. Again, who knows.

+1 to above PP
FWIW our DD had no words at 17 months after spending 5 months at home with us and no other in person interaction and started talking immediately after starting daycare with masked caregivers. I think it is likely the pandemic may be impacting speech development in more ways than one, not just because of masks.

You’ll find anecdata on either side. My friend’s older DD talked a lot after starting daycare and always credited daycare with her daughter’a speech. Her second DD had only 5 words at 24 months and they figured her language would explode at daycare. She’s 2.5 and her speech is still delayed. Masked environment most of her waking hours isn’t ideal for language development.

It's not "anecdata" if the person is acknowledging the alternative and not assuming their "anecdote" establishes causality. It's just an anecdote to illustrate the different mechanisms through which the pandemic might increase speech delays.

Yes, but many in this thread and others say their child's language developed fine at daycare, so masking toddlers and caregivers is fine. I suspect it's less problematic for some typically developing kids with involved parents and much worse for others.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not worry about speech delay as much as I worry about kids' not seeing facial expression and not learning to read social cues, see emotions and connect emotions with facial expressions, or words with facial expressions except what they see in caregivers' eyes. I mean, we have no choice but yes, it bothers me as well. But I say, we should be grateful anyone even working in daycares, teachers are quitting in droves and no, they are not comfortable cuddling and hugging kids, and that is even worse than kids not seeing faces. It must be very stressful for teachers to work in daycare right now. I wish this would be over, it creates a whole host of issues that we never faced before! Courage everyone. Just make sure to spend a lot of time with your child at home.

I hadn’t even considered the lack of cuddles. This makes me think I need to extend my leave. I’m supposed to go back when my baby is 16 weeks but I just don’t think I can stomach this.

The caregivers at our daycare are just as hands-on and cuddly with the infants and toddlers now as they were pre-pandemic.

They shouldn’t be cuddling. And they are masked. I would extend leave as long as possible or find other arrangements with an infant.

I call troll lol

NOPE. Just a mom.

So, what do you propose they do? Leave them isolated in cribs for 8-10 hours a day? Hands off approach, unless they are feeding a child or changing a diaper?
Just love you people who are so privileged that you think it is easy for everyone to extend their leave or "find other arrangements" for infant care. You realize the majority of the country doesn't have that luxury, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I do not worry about speech delay as much as I worry about kids' not seeing facial expression and not learning to read social cues, see emotions and connect emotions with facial expressions, or words with facial expressions except what they see in caregivers' eyes. I mean, we have no choice but yes, it bothers me as well. But I say, we should be grateful anyone even working in daycares, teachers are quitting in droves and no, they are not comfortable cuddling and hugging kids, and that is even worse than kids not seeing faces. It must be very stressful for teachers to work in daycare right now. I wish this would be over, it creates a whole host of issues that we never faced before! Courage everyone. Just make sure to spend a lot of time with your child at home.

I hadn’t even considered the lack of cuddles. This makes me think I need to extend my leave. I’m supposed to go back when my baby is 16 weeks but I just don’t think I can stomach this.

The caregivers at our daycare are just as hands-on and cuddly with the infants and toddlers now as they were pre-pandemic.

They shouldn’t be cuddling. And they are masked. I would extend leave as long as possible or find other arrangements with an infant.

I call troll lol

NOPE. Just a mom.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate those acknowledging that we just don’t know. Anecdotal evidence is just that. Personally I’d be comfortable when rates drop soon if vaccinated caregivers of 0-2 group could unmask. It does not seem merited based on risk levels. Teachers should not have to mask forever and we just don’t know the effects on kids’ development.

+1.

+2. My 21 month old has almost no words. Could it be the masks? Maybe? Or maybe it’s just his path. Who knows, but it has certainly crossed my mind that he should spend more time around unmasked people. The speech therapist we’ve just barely started working with also said there’s a lot of speech delayed kids right now, but it could be more attachment parenting because people are trying to wfh with their kids and just keep them happy. Again, who knows.

+1 to above PP
FWIW our DD had no words at 17 months after spending 5 months at home with us and no other in person interaction and started talking immediately after starting daycare with masked caregivers. I think it is likely the pandemic may be impacting speech development in more ways than one, not just because of masks.

You’ll find anecdata on either side. My friend’s older DD talked a lot after starting daycare and always credited daycare with her daughter’a speech. Her second DD had only 5 words at 24 months and they figured her language would explode at daycare. She’s 2.5 and her speech is still delayed. Masked environment most of her waking hours isn’t ideal for language development.

It's not "anecdata" if the person is acknowledging the alternative and not assuming their "anecdote" establishes causality. It's just an anecdote to illustrate the different mechanisms through which the pandemic might increase speech delays.

Yes, but many in this thread and others say their child's language developed fine at daycare, so masking toddlers and caregivers is fine. I suspect it's less problematic for some typically developing kids with involved parents and much worse for others.

The “object permanence” thing is so dumb, I am sorry.

The science on this is only about when you can measure a baby tracking objects in the lab. They do it by watching their eyes following objects. That doesn’t mean that before that they “think you’ve disappeared.” I mean, conceptualizing that something is was here and has now disappeared sounds like object permanence to me. It would probably be more like they just forgot the object existed but I don’t think the experiments even show that - it’s more just they can’t or don’t predict their path when hidden.

Why would babies cry for you if they thought you had disappeared? Why would they root for nipples they can’t see? How can they be calm with their eyes closed?

There’s a lot of stupid things that “experts” write and women accept but the object permanence thing is really the stupidest imo.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not worry about speech delay as much as I worry about kids' not seeing facial expression and not learning to read social cues, see emotions and connect emotions with facial expressions, or words with facial expressions except what they see in caregivers' eyes. I mean, we have no choice but yes, it bothers me as well. But I say, we should be grateful anyone even working in daycares, teachers are quitting in droves and no, they are not comfortable cuddling and hugging kids, and that is even worse than kids not seeing faces. It must be very stressful for teachers to work in daycare right now. I wish this would be over, it creates a whole host of issues that we never faced before! Courage everyone. Just make sure to spend a lot of time with your child at home.

I hadn’t even considered the lack of cuddles. This makes me think I need to extend my leave. I’m supposed to go back when my baby is 16 weeks but I just don’t think I can stomach this.

The caregivers at our daycare are just as hands-on and cuddly with the infants and toddlers now as they were pre-pandemic.

They shouldn’t be cuddling. And they are masked. I would extend leave as long as possible or find other arrangements with an infant.

I call troll lol

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate those acknowledging that we just don’t know. Anecdotal evidence is just that. Personally I’d be comfortable when rates drop soon if vaccinated caregivers of 0-2 group could unmask. It does not seem merited based on risk levels. Teachers should not have to mask forever and we just don’t know the effects on kids’ development.

+1.

+2. My 21 month old has almost no words. Could it be the masks? Maybe? Or maybe it’s just his path. Who knows, but it has certainly crossed my mind that he should spend more time around unmasked people. The speech therapist we’ve just barely started working with also said there’s a lot of speech delayed kids right now, but it could be more attachment parenting because people are trying to wfh with their kids and just keep them happy. Again, who knows.

+1 to above PP
FWIW our DD had no words at 17 months after spending 5 months at home with us and no other in person interaction and started talking immediately after starting daycare with masked caregivers. I think it is likely the pandemic may be impacting speech development in more ways than one, not just because of masks.

You’ll find anecdata on either side. My friend’s older DD talked a lot after starting daycare and always credited daycare with her daughter’a speech. Her second DD had only 5 words at 24 months and they figured her language would explode at daycare. She’s 2.5 and her speech is still delayed. Masked environment most of her waking hours isn’t ideal for language development.

It's not "anecdata" if the person is acknowledging the alternative and not assuming their "anecdote" establishes causality. It's just an anecdote to illustrate the different mechanisms through which the pandemic might increase speech delays.