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Anonymous wrote:For me, Juliana’s testimony was full of gaps and inconsistencies, unfortunately

Much of it is corroborated by other evidence, such as the timing of the 911 calls, for instance.

I think in her testimony she was trying hard to downplay her own role and behavior, but overall it’s basically what happened. Nothing else really makes sense, which is why we had hundreds of pages of discussion and speculation about this before she flipped. In particular, I think her lying in wait in the cul de sac (along with her full admission of what she was waiting for, and no other reasonable alibi) pretty much seals the deal on the catfish theory. No way she happens to be waiting for and coming back to the house upon the exact arrival of someone Christine was communicating with. I suppose Brendan could downplay his own involvement in the plot (despite conveniently lingering in the bathroom after going through the drive through), but it’s not super believable that either one of them catfished someone and then that person went so off script and stabbed Christine (conveniently) for them. What would be the purpose of the catfishing if not to stage a murder?

So when you consider that the jury is hearing all the facts for the first time, I think they won’t be able to see any other reasonable interpretation of these events. The idea that Christine was the person communicating with Joe is dead in the water if you look at the timeline surrounding Joe’s arrival to the home and the movements of Juliana and Brendan in coordination.

911 hang up call is also very significant in the timeline. Too much time elapses between the calls to reasonably believe their original claims.

I’m still hoping that tomorrow the prosecution has some forensic “clinchers” that can really seal the deal. At least one thing. But my guess is, all these facts are needed in context of each other and Juliana’s testimony was needed.

And circling back to the top of my post, I think Juliana was an active and willing participant in this and it’s upsetting she will basically get away with it. However, I’m not sure if she would have initiated this plot if not for Brendan. It also seems like the commonwealth felt they really needed this context for the case to seal the catfish theory and make the other facts fall into line. So if this is what was needed to put Brendan away and get that child to safety, I guess that is the priority.

DP here but adding on that Christine's phone was found downstairs, shut off and in a drawer. She would not have done that if she were the one communicating with Joe IMO 1- for safety reasons and 2- to make sure no one texting to say they were coming home early. Also, BB knew she wouldnt have been able to do find my iphone with it turned off if she somehow got out of the room. And there were telegram communications that morning before Joe arrived saying he was picking up a few more things. She did not communicate with him then go turn her phone off in a drawer on another floor.

Really excellent points I hope the prosecution makes in closing. As well as the point about the ridiculous coincidence that BB and JM were must minutes away and could come back when this started.

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Anonymous wrote:Not that I support Juliana but I thought she was given a deal, not sure what the point of a deal is if she can still get the max.

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It got her charges reduced from second degree murder to manslaughter. So I believe it changed her max from 40 to 10.

That clarifies, thanks. I thought the deal was no jail time guaranteed, just deportation.

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Anonymous wrote:Not that I support Juliana but I thought she was given a deal, not sure what the point of a deal is if she can still get the max.

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It got her charges reduced from second degree murder to manslaughter. So I believe it changed her max from 40 to 10.

Anonymous wrote:I truly hope she gets at least 10. Anything lower than that is not fair.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, Juliana’s testimony was full of gaps and inconsistencies, unfortunately

Much of it is corroborated by other evidence, such as the timing of the 911 calls, for instance.

I think in her testimony she was trying hard to downplay her own role and behavior, but overall it’s basically what happened. Nothing else really makes sense, which is why we had hundreds of pages of discussion and speculation about this before she flipped. In particular, I think her lying in wait in the cul de sac (along with her full admission of what she was waiting for, and no other reasonable alibi) pretty much seals the deal on the catfish theory. No way she happens to be waiting for and coming back to the house upon the exact arrival of someone Christine was communicating with. I suppose Brendan could downplay his own involvement in the plot (despite conveniently lingering in the bathroom after going through the drive through), but it’s not super believable that either one of them catfished someone and then that person went so off script and stabbed Christine (conveniently) for them. What would be the purpose of the catfishing if not to stage a murder?

So when you consider that the jury is hearing all the facts for the first time, I think they won’t be able to see any other reasonable interpretation of these events. The idea that Christine was the person communicating with Joe is dead in the water if you look at the timeline surrounding Joe’s arrival to the home and the movements of Juliana and Brendan in coordination.

911 hang up call is also very significant in the timeline. Too much time elapses between the calls to reasonably believe their original claims.

I’m still hoping that tomorrow the prosecution has some forensic “clinchers” that can really seal the deal. At least one thing. But my guess is, all these facts are needed in context of each other and Juliana’s testimony was needed.

And circling back to the top of my post, I think Juliana was an active and willing participant in this and it’s upsetting she will basically get away with it. However, I’m not sure if she would have initiated this plot if not for Brendan. It also seems like the commonwealth felt they really needed this context for the case to seal the catfish theory and make the other facts fall into line. So if this is what was needed to put Brendan away and get that child to safety, I guess that is the priority.

DP here but adding on that Christine's phone was found downstairs, shut off and in a drawer. She would not have done that if she were the one communicating with Joe IMO 1- for safety reasons and 2- to make sure no one texting to say they were coming home early. Also, BB knew she wouldnt have been able to do find my iphone with it turned off if she somehow got out of the room. And there were telegram communications that morning before Joe arrived saying he was picking up a few more things. She did not communicate with him then go turn her phone off in a drawer on another floor.

Anonymous wrote:Not that I support Juliana but I thought she was given a deal, not sure what the point of a deal is if she can still get the max.

Anonymous wrote:Even w the plea agreement, she can still get the full 10 years, right?

Anonymous wrote:Even w the plea agreement, she can still get the full 10 years, right?

Anonymous wrote:If prosecution didn’t bring up, can we assume that Tess threatening Juliana was just fake news? That would have been a big evidence!

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Anonymous wrote:If prosecution didn’t bring up, can we assume that Tess threatening Juliana was just fake news? That would have been a big evidence!

I don’t necessarily see that as evidence against Brendan. It could be evidence against someone for intimidating a witness, but I think that would be a separate charge.