Anonymous wrote:Notice the narrative shift. Megyn Kelly explaining all this away by saying it's 15 year-olds, not 5 year-olds. Shapiro not denying it, just saying MGT is trying to destroy Trump. Bannon saying Trump is "imperfect" but that's okay. They all know it's true and are trying to move the conversation past it.

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Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
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Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

Board certified psychiatrist-and you?

Either you’re lying or you’re without merit as I previously stated.

Actual former child sex crimes prosecutor; I’ve worked with dozens of board certified psychiatrists who specialize in sexual deviancy and none of them would call this conduct pedophilia because it doesn’t meet the standards in the DSM - which if you were a psychiatrist you would well know.

NO. Who the frack cares. Stop high jacking this thread with this nonsense. The general public can make a distinction between a 19 and 15 year old sexual liaison versus a 40 and 15 year old child exploitation involvement. Call it any ‘Philia you want, but the bottom line is that the 40 and 15 year old togetherness is legally, ethically, and morally wrong. Whereas the 19 and 15 year olds together are not.

Don’t those convicted for having sex with 14 to 17 end up on predators database?

I think it is state dependent, and most if not all, have a two-year difference. For instance, a sixteen-eighteen year old relationship would not be subject to criminal prosecution.

Anonymous wrote:Anything now revealed in the Epstein files about Trump that could have been used to upend his 2024 campaign would be a stain on the Democratic Party. If they sat on disqualifying information then they are complicit in everything that has happened and will happen during his second term.

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Anonymous wrote:A number of responses to my post have entirely misconstrued what I wrote, so I’m not sure it’s worth arguing.

If you are dismayed by child marriage, do something about ending it where you live - because it’s still happening at an alarming rate. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-in-the-u-s/

I very clearly stated that the Epstein case is disgusting because it is TRAFFICKING of human beings, which is disgusting at any age but particularly when the victims are young and vulnerable for any number of reasons.

Nevertheless, it is NOT pedophilia for 18+ year old men and women to be sexually attracted to 14-19 year old boys and girls. Those who argue that it is have a beef with basic biology and also with the entire psychological/psychiatric professional globally.

Much of our advertising and entertainment industry utilizes later teenage bodies to sell products and media, and tens of millions of Americans feel sexual feelings looking at those younger but sexually mature bodies. Again, we are primates and these are basic biological urges. It is not warped or sick to be attracted to a sexually mature human being.

And again as I already said, acting on that attraction is a different thing. If there is love and nurture in a real relationship involved, it isn’t always a horrible thing.

Certainly most of you wouldn’t want your 19 or 20 year old son to be called a pedophile for falling in love/lust with a 15 or 16 year old girl, which happens all the time in the real world - in part because boys mentally mature much more slowly than girls at those ages.

And the other example I gave, Celine Dion who met her husband when she was 12 and he was decades older. They didn’t marry until she was 20 and I’m sure they didn’t have physical relations until she was late teens, but I have little doubt he sexually admired her 15, 16, 17 year old body. He also loved her dearly and they had by all accounts a wonderful marriage into which they brought multiple children. Was he a sick twisted pedophile?

I’d love nothing more than to see every last person who assisted Epstein in his trafficking scheme be held accountable, including bankers who helped him launder money etc. At very least these people should be outed and ostracized, because it’s likely for many of the crimes the SOL has run.

How old were Epstein and Trump ( and summers and pulte and ehud Barack, etc) when these events transpired
though?

Were they 19 and 20 year old college kids?

No? Say again? They were well past middle age, you say?

I understand what pp is saying. Precision of language matters. Know what terms mean if you’re going to use them. Epstein and friends engaged in trafficking, rape, coercion. They are vile, disgusting people who committed crimes and traumatised who know how many vulnerable teenagers. It doesn’t have to be ‘Pedophilia” to be disgusting. What they did was disgusting and criminal on its own terms. You don’t have to throw a term around that doesn’t actually apply to somehow make it criminal.

spare me the “AC-tuallly” energy. The pp you are quoting is pointing out how broke the “you wouldn’t want your 19 year old accused!” anaology is when applied to a gaggle of 60 year old billionaires.

I’m very well aware of the definitions of the terms because I deal with these matters on a professional basis. I do not think it matters even a tiny bit if the general public refers to the as pedophilia.

I’d be interested to know what profession, because no mental health professional of any merit would call it pedophilia - it’s simply not, does not meet the definition in the DSM.

And legal and law enforcement and medical professionals are trained to the same standards as the mental health professionals.

These things aren’t matters of opinion, sorry. You are talking about professions where words mean very specific things and they matter. Lay people and media can say what they will but it doesn’t make it reality.

Board certified psychiatrist-and you?

Either you’re lying or you’re without merit as I previously stated.

Actual former child sex crimes prosecutor; I’ve worked with dozens of board certified psychiatrists who specialize in sexual deviancy and none of them would call this conduct pedophilia because it doesn’t meet the standards in the DSM - which if you were a psychiatrist you would well know.

NO. Who the frack cares. Stop high jacking this thread with this nonsense. The general public can make a distinction between a 19 and 15 year old sexual liaison versus a 40 and 15 year old child exploitation involvement. Call it any ‘Philia you want, but the bottom line is that the 40 and 15 year old togetherness is legally, ethically, and morally wrong. Whereas the 19 and 15 year olds together are not.

Don’t those convicted for having sex with 14 to 17 end up on predators database?

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Anonymous wrote:WTF? "a sombrero over my head"???
This man is a U.S. Senator?

Trump posted ai videos of Jeffries with a sombrero on his head (and a Mariachi band behind him) to make fun of what he was saying. Kennedy is telling us that he expects to attract Trump's ire for being in favor of release.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF? "a sombrero over my head"???
This man is a U.S. Senator?

Trump posted ai videos of Jeffries with a sombrero on his head (and a Mariachi band behind him) to make fun of what he was saying. Kennedy is telling us that he expects to attract Trump's ire for being in favor of release.

God. Thank you. It was crystal clear what he meant by the sombrero comment. Obviously too many people aren’t paying close attention - one reason why Trump continuously gets away with egregious behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple question: if there was something so damning about Trump in the files, why hasnt some mole, former FBI agent, former DOJ prosecutor or anyone else teased or leaked it? The former administration had access to these files and presumably dozens of people reviewed them, yet not one peep about anything… (and I can’t stand Trump)

Because ironically the DOJ wasn’t politicized previously. People did not leak for fear of losing their jobs. Also Trump is super litigious and always has been. Also our society really doesn’t care about sex crimes against women. Look at how people have commented on the E Jean Carroll case. Society sh*ts on women/girls who are abused because somehow they think they asked for it.

You would think Comey's daughter who set on these files for 4 years cares? Why did she sh** on women and girls by not prosecuting Trump?

I don’t know, I guess that we will find out more when the full files are released. The important part is that you found a way to blame a woman for your heroes molesting children.

Will they be released? With the 218 signatures on the discharge, the House has to vote. Then the Senate will have to vote and my understanding is it is unlikely to make it through the Senate, is that correct?

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Anonymous wrote:WTF? "a sombrero over my head"???
This man is a U.S. Senator?

Trump posted ai videos of Jeffries with a sombrero on his head (and a Mariachi band behind him) to make fun of what he was saying. Kennedy is telling us that he expects to attract Trump's ire for being in favor of release.

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This man is a U.S. Senator?

Anonymous wrote:WTF? "a sombrero over my head"???
This man is a U.S. Senator?

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Suspicious. Maybe Johnson knows Justice has removed files.

They might be trying to get ahead of more leaks that may make more people vote for release. Including senators.