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Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

umm Paula was a POC and as to actual harm caused, she was the worst person. Also no-one seems to have caught on to teh fact that Jennifer Coolidge's character is going to be bankrolling teh BLM guy and get swept up in "rescuing" him as he die from his coughing disease, she just switched him for Belinda, she realized what she washing with Belinda but just moved onto another person.

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Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

Connie Britton has a great line about everyone just fighting for a seat at the table of tyranny and I think this encapsulates what this show is about. The people with money or more power (white) abuse it but everyone else (mostly POC) are also just looking to get in on the money and power. They don’t have it so they can’t abuse it but they probably would, if they did. Kai’s summer fling (forgot her name, but the college daughters friend) is one of the worst characters IMO. She clings to the belief that she is better than the white family she is staying with but enjoys the luxurious vacation on their dime and, ultimately, completely screws over the man she is sleeping with. She put him in the position to take all the risk and made absolutely no effort to help when it seemed like he was in a position to get caught. She will probably continue to blame capitalism and white colonizers for what are actually her own actions.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it interesting that all of the weakest, “worst” characters were all still very tethered to their parents in adulthood, as if they’re just perpetual little children. We saw Rachel call her mom, Olivia went and cried to her mom, Shane’s mom shows up on his honeymoon, Tanya’s literally carrying her dead mom around, Mark’s problems spiraled when he found out about his dad’s past... By contrast, we know nothing at all about the families of Armond, Belinda, or Paula. They’re out there making their own ways without the benefit of (or burden from) parental ties. And then there’s Quinn, who seems to have found redemption in choosing Mother Earth over his own mother.

Paula is way worse than Rachel.

Paula was at least genuinely trying to help someone else, misguided as it was. Rachel’s only trying to help herself.

Was she, though, or was she just trying to screw over the Mossbachers?

This. She wasn’t helping Kai, she was exacting revenge on the Mossbachers for being successful white people. Which is ironic considering how comfortable she is this environment, which shows she comes from a place of extraordinary privilege.

I don't know why people think Paula is less wealthy than the Mossbachers. She presumably goes to the same college as Olivia which is probably Ivy league caliber given her high performing mom. Due to being a POC, Paula is slightly more aware of social issues than her white friends.

They make a point in the beginning where Paula says how appreciative she is that the Mossbacher's brought her on the trip. I thought that maybe she was at the college on scholarship, and is Olivia's token POC friend.

She might be Olivia’s token POC friend but nowhere does it say she is a scholarship student. She can politely say thank you and be appreciative without being automatically poor.

It’s creepy that people assume she’s poor and on a scholarship because she’s a POC. No where in the script or in the actors portrayal is it implied that Paula is poorer than Olivia. She has the same mannerisms and attitude of her UC peers. The tension between her and the Mossbachers is that they’re WHITE and she’s BIPOC, it’s that intricate dynamic between UC white people vis a vis UC POC. All of her wealth and belonging in the same class as them doesn’t erase the micro aggressions they subject her to.

this is spot on, as a privileged BIPOC, paula's discomfort with her hosts is something most UC POC experience, especially when they are the lone wealthy POC and all the other people who look like them are staff. It gives yo a sort of vertiginous feeling of being off balance at first and then the white cultural habits begin to annoy you, and after a bit you feel like you are being used/don't belong. TBH british people aren't as annoying in this regard as white americans but i think that is b/c race is the basis of the class system here and the class system there is based on land/title (occupation)

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Anonymous wrote:I found it interesting that all of the weakest, “worst” characters were all still very tethered to their parents in adulthood, as if they’re just perpetual little children. We saw Rachel call her mom, Olivia went and cried to her mom, Shane’s mom shows up on his honeymoon, Tanya’s literally carrying her dead mom around, Mark’s problems spiraled when he found out about his dad’s past... By contrast, we know nothing at all about the families of Armond, Belinda, or Paula. They’re out there making their own ways without the benefit of (or burden from) parental ties. And then there’s Quinn, who seems to have found redemption in choosing Mother Earth over his own mother.

Paula is way worse than Rachel.

Paula was at least genuinely trying to help someone else, misguided as it was. Rachel’s only trying to help herself.

Was she, though, or was she just trying to screw over the Mossbachers?

I think it was both. She cared and wanted to help the boyfriend but she hated that the Mossachers were so clueless about the struggles of the locals. She though it was the perfect plan to help him and to stick it to them.

He's not her boyfriend, though. He asked her to stay in Hawaii and she basically laughed at him, it was so inconceivable. He was a fling. She didn't even care about him enough to text when their plan was in jeopardy. I think it's possible she fooled herself into thinking that this was a righteous thing to do but even a sliver of thought would have revealed all the flaws in the plan. I don't think she really believed that she was doing a good with this plan - I think she used that as pretext.

she also had no morals- kai was like" i don't steal from people" as if that is an obvious character trait, which iy should be, and she totally blows that off. This illustrates that she is a Mossbacher, that is the difference between the colonizer and their victims, the colonizers justify their act of theft as something everyone would do, as the reasonable action. I actually know domestics and most who were like kai wouldn't have gone ahead with the theft regardless of the temptation b/c they have this "i may be poor but im honest" mindset and silently judge wealthy people they serve " you might not have stolen anything but someone somewhere along the line did and that is why i serve you, i am honest and you are morally inferior and thus wealthy" People leave valuable stuff around resorts all teh time, teh staff don't steal it, its not worth it, they'll get caught. I agree that this portrayal of kai made him out as an innocent & noble savage stereotype. Its more likely someone like him is screwing a new girl every new batch of guests at the resort and he'd know that staff would come under suspicion after a theft.

Anonymous wrote:So it was supposed to be a social commentary on how bad rich people are but that is not what I got. I got the distinct view that the working class poor people were awful. Belinda trying to get money out of a guest for a project that in the real work has zero chance of every making money -- she is trying to steal money; the newlywed is nuts because of her insecurity and is not stable; the waiter dude who gets talked into stealing the stuff; the resort manager who is just a bad person; the friend who would steal from people that took her on a trip. The rich people seemed normal and sane.

I disagree with the take that it was supposed to be a commentary on how bad rich people are. I think all of the characters were pretty fleshed out and all had some distinct flaws. Many abused what power they had, rich or poor. I do not think the rich people came off as normal and sane…

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Anonymous wrote:Only straight women could call Sydney Sweeney (Olivia) unattractive. She is drop dead gorgeous.

Yeah I literally don't get this. She has.....wide set eyes. Seriously people do you not know anyone with wide set eyes? Kate Hudson comes to mind immediately.

FAS?! WTF

She is smoking hot.

Yeah no doubt about this.

So it was supposed to be a social commentary on how bad rich people are but that is not what I got. I got the distinct view that the working class poor people were awful. Belinda trying to get money out of a guest for a project that in the real work has zero chance of every making money -- she is trying to steal money; the newlywed is nuts because of her insecurity and is not stable; the waiter dude who gets talked into stealing the stuff; the resort manager who is just a bad person; the friend who would steal from people that took her on a trip. The rich people seemed normal and sane.

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Anonymous wrote:Only straight women could call Sydney Sweeney (Olivia) unattractive. She is drop dead gorgeous.

Yeah I literally don't get this. She has.....wide set eyes. Seriously people do you not know anyone with wide set eyes? Kate Hudson comes to mind immediately.

FAS?! WTF

She is smoking hot.

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Anonymous wrote:Only straight women could call Sydney Sweeney (Olivia) unattractive. She is drop dead gorgeous.

Yeah I literally don't get this. She has.....wide set eyes. Seriously people do you not know anyone with wide set eyes? Kate Hudson comes to mind immediately.

FAS?! WTF

Wide set eyes are ugly and fishlike. But I guess some ppl also find the fish guy in Shape of Water attractive..

I also don’t find Kate Hudson attractive. The wide set eyes lose me completely.

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Anonymous wrote:Only straight women could call Sydney Sweeney (Olivia) unattractive. She is drop dead gorgeous.

Yeah I literally don't get this. She has.....wide set eyes. Seriously people do you not know anyone with wide set eyes? Kate Hudson comes to mind immediately.

FAS?! WTF

Wide set eyes are ugly and fishlike. But I guess some ppl also find the fish guy in Shape of Water attractive..

Anonymous wrote:Only straight women could call Sydney Sweeney (Olivia) unattractive. She is drop dead gorgeous.

Yeah I literally don't get this. She has.....wide set eyes. Seriously people do you not know anyone with wide set eyes? Kate Hudson comes to mind immediately.

FAS?! WTF

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Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

Which characters on the show would you consider « good » other than maybe Belinda?

Belinda broke my heart.

Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

One episode and done. Hated it. It was drawn out, everything dragged, and literally nothing happened
I don’t understand what people are raving about