Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I can't possibly read all forty pages.

When I was a kid, our parish priest held a seder. The purpose was to show a connection between the two faiths, and I think it was very helpful.

The important thing is not whether Jesus ate bitter herbs or not or whether he asked the four questions. Jesus is inextricably tied to the Passover. He is the paschal lamb of the New Testament. His sacrifice is meant to mirror the sacrifice of the lamb in Egypt. His blood is the blood of the lamb on the doorways of the Israelites.

That's all fine to believe, of course! Clearly there's a lot of Christian theological thought about how to link the New Testament with the Old Testament. As a Jew, what I find offensive about some Christian seders is the additional layer that suggests that OUR Passover rituals/story/beliefs also prefigure Jesus, and therefore, that we're doing it wrong if we don't see the holiday and the story the way you do.

I stopped reading this thread about 17 pages in, so maybe someone covered this in the 20+ pages since then, but there's a very long history of anti-Semitic violence and persecution specifically tied to Passover and Easter (since it wasn't all that long ago that official church teachings held that we, the Jews, killed Christ). So that's sort of an underlying issue on top of the questions of cultural appropriation.

Personally, I don't have any problem with Christians celebrating their version of Passover. It's when the liturgy or their teachings suggest that we should also be celebrating it that way that I get offended. And I do think that the cultural outrage around, say, a mosque that decided to do a sort of Islam-ified version of some major Christian holiday would be way louder than any of the complaints Jews make about Christian versions of Passover... which might be worth thinking about before deciding Jews are just being silly or stubborn in insisting that our own religious traditions are entirely distinct from yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

I don't know a single Jew who celebrates Christmas in early Fall, when Jesus was likely born.

The December festivities are 1000% secular.

Speaking on behalf of many American Jews, I'd be perfectly happy to ignore Christmas altogether. We don't celebrate it in my household. But it's hard to escape.

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

Or alternatively, maybe it's lost for reasons that have to do with the centuries of aggressive persecution by Christians who REALLY wanted us to find our way to their churches and become engaged? You're also wrong about the "strictly bars outsiders from entry" business.

Anonymous wrote:I think that if Christians are going to try to co-opt our Passover Seders, they should at least be forced to eat gefilte fish.

Seems only fair!

"Forced," as if -- gefilte fish is the silver lining of the week-long matzah cloud.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I can't possibly read all forty pages.

When I was a kid, our parish priest held a seder. The purpose was to show a connection between the two faiths, and I think it was very helpful.

The important thing is not whether Jesus ate bitter herbs or not or whether he asked the four questions. Jesus is inextricably tied to the Passover. He is the paschal lamb of the New Testament. His sacrifice is meant to mirror the sacrifice of the lamb in Egypt. His blood is the blood of the lamb on the doorways of the Israelites.

I .... I can’t.

Probably a Franciscan - torturing Jews is their jam.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I can't possibly read all forty pages.

When I was a kid, our parish priest held a seder. The purpose was to show a connection between the two faiths, and I think it was very helpful.

The important thing is not whether Jesus ate bitter herbs or not or whether he asked the four questions. Jesus is inextricably tied to the Passover. He is the paschal lamb of the New Testament. His sacrifice is meant to mirror the sacrifice of the lamb in Egypt. His blood is the blood of the lamb on the doorways of the Israelites.

I .... I can’t.

well at least this PP actually is accurate in understanding how Exodus and Pesach is actually incorporated into Christianity. The only step we need them to take is to understand why they do not need a “Christian Seder.”

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I can't possibly read all forty pages.

When I was a kid, our parish priest held a seder. The purpose was to show a connection between the two faiths, and I think it was very helpful.

The important thing is not whether Jesus ate bitter herbs or not or whether he asked the four questions. Jesus is inextricably tied to the Passover. He is the paschal lamb of the New Testament. His sacrifice is meant to mirror the sacrifice of the lamb in Egypt. His blood is the blood of the lamb on the doorways of the Israelites.

I .... I can’t.

That PP just came over from this thread: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/961125.page

Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I can't possibly read all forty pages.

When I was a kid, our parish priest held a seder. The purpose was to show a connection between the two faiths, and I think it was very helpful.

The important thing is not whether Jesus ate bitter herbs or not or whether he asked the four questions. Jesus is inextricably tied to the Passover. He is the paschal lamb of the New Testament. His sacrifice is meant to mirror the sacrifice of the lamb in Egypt. His blood is the blood of the lamb on the doorways of the Israelites.

I .... I can’t.

Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I can't possibly read all forty pages.

When I was a kid, our parish priest held a seder. The purpose was to show a connection between the two faiths, and I think it was very helpful.

The important thing is not whether Jesus ate bitter herbs or not or whether he asked the four questions. Jesus is inextricably tied to the Passover. He is the paschal lamb of the New Testament. His sacrifice is meant to mirror the sacrifice of the lamb in Egypt. His blood is the blood of the lamb on the doorways of the Israelites.

oh ffs

New poster here. I can't possibly read all forty pages.

When I was a kid, our parish priest held a seder. The purpose was to show a connection between the two faiths, and I think it was very helpful.

The important thing is not whether Jesus ate bitter herbs or not or whether he asked the four questions. Jesus is inextricably tied to the Passover. He is the paschal lamb of the New Testament. His sacrifice is meant to mirror the sacrifice of the lamb in Egypt. His blood is the blood of the lamb on the doorways of the Israelites.

PP please stop derailing the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:The policing of Jewish behavior on this thread has to stop.

Yes, you can only Christians can be policed. You’ve been very clear on that.

You are so obtuse. I can’t explain this to you for the millionth time.

I would wonder why you cannot understand how you are talking to multiple people, but then again you can’t understand your controlling ways. You’ve made your point NUMEROUS times. There are people who disagree with you. That is what 30+ pages of this thread is about.

You think I’m the only one on this thread who opposes Christian seders?

It is very apparent when the prolific PP posts. On this thread, the other two, and in Website Feedback.

there are multiple people posting here, and many, many public sources (Christian and Jewish) that have explained why “Christian seders” are wrong.

I did not say there are not multiple posters posting. I also did not say that Christian Seders are right. Are there any other false arguments that you’d like to make?

The bolded makes it very clear you think there’s one person posting. Then you claimed to be able to identify that person.

Nope. I was responding to the poster above me. And yes, the prolific poster is easy to identify. You’ve really struggling with your reading comprehension.

I don’t even know what you’re talking about. If you know there are multiple posters, then why claim to identify these phantom poster?

You’re creepy as hell, basically stalking someone on here.

I know. It is why you keep making false accusations. Btw, recognizing a frequent poster doesn’t mean that it can’t be understood that others posting as well.

Claiming to be able to identify a poster is so fking weird.

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Anonymous wrote:The policing of Jewish behavior on this thread has to stop.

Yes, you can only Christians can be policed. You’ve been very clear on that.

You are so obtuse. I can’t explain this to you for the millionth time.

I would wonder why you cannot understand how you are talking to multiple people, but then again you can’t understand your controlling ways. You’ve made your point NUMEROUS times. There are people who disagree with you. That is what 30+ pages of this thread is about.

You think I’m the only one on this thread who opposes Christian seders?

It is very apparent when the prolific PP posts. On this thread, the other two, and in Website Feedback.

there are multiple people posting here, and many, many public sources (Christian and Jewish) that have explained why “Christian seders” are wrong.

I did not say there are not multiple posters posting. I also did not say that Christian Seders are right. Are there any other false arguments that you’d like to make?

The bolded makes it very clear you think there’s one person posting. Then you claimed to be able to identify that person.

Nope. I was responding to the poster above me. And yes, the prolific poster is easy to identify. You’ve really struggling with your reading comprehension.

I don’t even know what you’re talking about. If you know there are multiple posters, then why claim to identify these phantom poster?

You’re creepy as hell, basically stalking someone on here.

I know. It is why you keep making false accusations. Btw, recognizing a frequent poster doesn’t mean that it can’t be understood that others posting as well.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who prays for peace, understanding, open-minded consideration, and respect will now stop posting.

There’s a lot of irony in your post.

Anyone who prays for peace, understanding, open-minded consideration, and respect will now stop posting.