Anonymous
09/22/2020 12:37
Subject: Re:Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
I disagree. I learned something.
Also not sure why need to bring religion into discussion.
Also not sure why need to bring religion into discussion.
Anonymous
09/22/2020 12:07
Subject: Re:Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Lottery is wrong because
1. It will destroy TJ's ranking. A supporter in this thread mentioned "time to shut down TJ". I applaud her for honesty that FCPS board is not showing. The goal / definite
outcome is to downgrade TJ to a normal good high school. If you look at the presentation FCPS superintendent made to the board, he listed some schools which are good and
use lottery as intake method. If you look at the rank of those schools, some are in 100, 600. If TJ starts lottery TJ will be one of those.
2. "Merit" is a falsely used word here. Life only measures , rewards "preparedness for a role". Standardized test is very good (not perfect) at measuring it. Most other methods
cannot cite success over long time. Lottery does not even care for it. If someone disagrees we can measure. Take 90% of students through admission test and take 10%
through lottery. Track their grades for 4 years and the colleges they went to. If the results converge then make lottery the process of admission.
3. About 5% of TJ students finally selected has "Algebra 1" in 8th std. Rest are higher (Geometry 1, Trig etc.). For FCPS that means they were top percentile in Iowa Test. Now
Algebra 1 students will be more. Lowering standard again.
4. If you look at the presentation FCPS superintendent made he mentioned what has been tried to admit more "economically disadvantaged" student. None of those are on
"improving the quality" side. Only action (outreach) that could have benefited them was curtailed. He kept on changing the structure of the test and of course did not get result.
This reminds of going to Iraq war. Saddam was a bad person and removing him was a good goal. But Iraq war was the wrong choice. But this is what jingoism, zealots do. They focus on 1 topic and completely ignore everything else. Fortunately, people will not die if this passes. However, lot of hard work backed dreams will die. More importantly, an institution that took long time to build will die.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Anonymous
09/22/2020 11:57
Subject: Re:Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Lottery is wrong because
1. It will destroy TJ's ranking. A supporter in this thread mentioned "time to shut down TJ". I applaud her for honesty that FCPS board is not showing. The goal / definite
outcome is to downgrade TJ to a normal good high school. If you look at the presentation FCPS superintendent made to the board, he listed some schools which are good and
use lottery as intake method. If you look at the rank of those schools, some are in 100, 600. If TJ starts lottery TJ will be one of those.
2. "Merit" is a falsely used word here. Life only measures , rewards "preparedness for a role". Standardized test is very good (not perfect) at measuring it. Most other methods
cannot cite success over long time. Lottery does not even care for it. If someone disagrees we can measure. Take 90% of students through admission test and take 10%
through lottery. Track their grades for 4 years and the colleges they went to. If the results converge then make lottery the process of admission.
3. About 5% of TJ students finally selected has "Algebra 1" in 8th std. Rest are higher (Geometry 1, Trig etc.). For FCPS that means they were top percentile in Iowa Test. Now
Algebra 1 students will be more. Lowering standard again.
4. If you look at the presentation FCPS superintendent made he mentioned what has been tried to admit more "economically disadvantaged" student. None of those are on
"improving the quality" side. Only action (outreach) that could have benefited them was curtailed. He kept on changing the structure of the test and of course did not get result.
This reminds of going to Iraq war. Saddam was a bad person and removing him was a good goal. But Iraq war was the wrong choice. But this is what jingoism, zealots do. They focus on 1 topic and completely ignore everything else. Fortunately, people will not die if this passes. However, lot of hard work backed dreams will die. More importantly, an institution that took long time to build will die.
1. It will destroy TJ's ranking. A supporter in this thread mentioned "time to shut down TJ". I applaud her for honesty that FCPS board is not showing. The goal / definite
outcome is to downgrade TJ to a normal good high school. If you look at the presentation FCPS superintendent made to the board, he listed some schools which are good and
use lottery as intake method. If you look at the rank of those schools, some are in 100, 600. If TJ starts lottery TJ will be one of those.
2. "Merit" is a falsely used word here. Life only measures , rewards "preparedness for a role". Standardized test is very good (not perfect) at measuring it. Most other methods
cannot cite success over long time. Lottery does not even care for it. If someone disagrees we can measure. Take 90% of students through admission test and take 10%
through lottery. Track their grades for 4 years and the colleges they went to. If the results converge then make lottery the process of admission.
3. About 5% of TJ students finally selected has "Algebra 1" in 8th std. Rest are higher (Geometry 1, Trig etc.). For FCPS that means they were top percentile in Iowa Test. Now
Algebra 1 students will be more. Lowering standard again.
4. If you look at the presentation FCPS superintendent made he mentioned what has been tried to admit more "economically disadvantaged" student. None of those are on
"improving the quality" side. Only action (outreach) that could have benefited them was curtailed. He kept on changing the structure of the test and of course did not get result.
This reminds of going to Iraq war
. Saddam was a bad person and removing him was a good goal. But Iraq war was the wrong choice. But this is what jingoism, zealots do. They focus on 1 topic and completely ignore everything else. Fortunately, people will not die if this passes. However, lot of hard work backed dreams will die. More importantly, an institution that took long time to build will die.
Anonymous
09/22/2020 11:38
Subject: Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
"So what? If you consider PTSA contributions, neither are most schools.
Stop making silly arguments. TJ is a county-owned school primarily funded by county taxpayers, even if it gets additional payments from other localities, the state, and private donors. And it is the county and state that will decide its future, not some alum or parent giving money to the TJPF.
"
Stop making silly arguments. TJ is a county-owned school primarily funded by county taxpayers, even if it gets additional payments from other localities, the state, and private donors. And it is the county and state that will decide its future, not some alum or parent giving money to the TJPF.
- I agree. So the request, urge to the voter population is to reject this proposal. Yes, TJ has to serve interest. But interest is not narrowly defined "my immediate goal". My interest could also be defined by a society I wish to see. For example Rich person voting for tax hike is also serving own interest. It is just that he defines interest in a way different from another person.
Anonymous
09/22/2020 11:35
Subject: Re:Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if voters in Fairfax County didn't welcome a focus on equity in county schools they would not have elected a 12-0 Democratic School Board. Those School Board members will be judged by whether, among other things, they supported initiatives like those currently under consideration by Northam's Secretary of Education.
- I am a democrat and Bernie Sander's voter. I do not support lottery.
Anonymous
09/22/2020 11:30
Subject: Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I will organize Asian Americans in the northern Virginia to vote out SB members who will vote for the new admissions system and convince them to vote for Republicans. They make up a significant voting percentage in NoVa.
So intimidating...not.
That's where Asians find themselves in. They are such a small group that no politicians care. There won't be any consequence for the Northam to destroy the #1 ranked high school in the country. It's easy to pick on the Asians because they are not intimidating politically. But picking on rich white parents in Langley, no way. That's why the rezoning Langley has been tabled for years because the rich white voters in Langley are actually intimidating.
Anonymous
09/22/2020 10:07
Subject: Re:Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Past time to shut TJ down permanently.
Another parent whose kid didn't get in.
TJHSST receives over 3m more out of local property taxes than a base school. The admissions dept was over 700k with a revenue offset from application fees. Brabrand wants to remove the $100 fee. A bond was passed for an addition at Justice, an adjacent school. TJ has been operating at 82% capacity.
More money for debt service.
TJ was a site that was under capacity and could have been closed. The Sully District did not even exist as a Magisterial District when TJ began and FCPS has ignored capacity needs in western FX. Many of the Curie or Carson students live in Sully or Western FX. TJHSST should be an academy program not a full time governor's school. The future western HS should have a co-located academy similar to a TJ base school + academy.
These academies should have $100+ app fees.
FCPS has been a colossal fail on producing students who major in STEM. Why? Hyper focused on TJ and runs too many IB programs. H 1B numbers are the proof. VA as a state has over 11k with most concentrated in NOVA, domicile of TJHSST. About 46% of this visa category is bachelor's degrees and 45% masters [many achieved while in the US with the visa].
TJ has also distorted academic opportunity since there is no valid reason other than IBET that capable students in grade 8 honors alg 1 or in geometry should not take bio 1 for an end of course in middle school. That existed for a brief time in FCPS but got cut because of TJHSST. The prep centers have also distorted the students actually intellectually capable of math acceleration naturally.
Over a decade ago we saw personally the extreme amount of time, effort, money, and energy expended by some for alg 1 in grade 6 and 7.
Anonymous
09/22/2020 08:42
Subject: Re:Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Past time to shut TJ down permanently.
Another parent whose kid didn't get in.
Anonymous
09/22/2020 08:00
Subject: Re:Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Past time to shut TJ down permanently.
Anonymous
09/22/2020 06:52
Subject: Re:Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Virginia is a rock solid blue state, trending toward progressive. You get what you vote for. Enjoy!
Affirmative action or consideration of race will be gone within 2 years. Deep Red Supreme Court trumps deep blue state. Haha
Or the four new democratic justices will maintain consideration of race. We'll have to wait and see.
You should re-study simple arithmetic. There will be at least 5 and likely 6 Supreme Court Justices in favor of striking affirmative action! am guessing your kids failed to get into TJ.
I said four NEW democratic justices. If there is a 13 justice court, what will 5 or 6 in favor of striking affirmative action exactly get you? As I said, we'll have to wait and see who wins to see if "Deep Red Supreme Court trumps deep blue state."
Anonymous
09/22/2020 06:40
Subject: Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The TJ test- is it given to all students or just students who apply?
Only to interested kids who apply. Why give another test to kids with no interest in STEM?
And why should kids with a 3.5 gpa and in Algebra have no standardized mechanism of measuring their acumen in math otherwise just randomly get in?
Because FCPS can set their benchmark where they deem appropriate. Just like they spent years turning a blind eye to pervasive cheating.
I know. There are so much cheating going on at McLean, Langley and Madison.
And TJ.
Anonymous
09/21/2020 20:14
Subject: Re:Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Virginia is a rock solid blue state, trending toward progressive. You get what you vote for. Enjoy!
Affirmative action or consideration of race will be gone within 2 years. Deep Red Supreme Court trumps deep blue state. Haha
Or the four new democratic justices will maintain consideration of race. We'll have to wait and see.
You should re-study simple arithmetic. There will be at least 5 and likely 6 Supreme Court Justices in favor of striking affirmative action! am guessing your kids failed to get into TJ.
Anonymous
09/21/2020 20:12
Subject: Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The TJ test- is it given to all students or just students who apply?
Only to interested kids who apply. Why give another test to kids with no interest in STEM?
And why should kids with a 3.5 gpa and in Algebra have no standardized mechanism of measuring their acumen in math otherwise just randomly get in?
Because FCPS can set their benchmark where they deem appropriate. Just like they spent years turning a blind eye to pervasive cheating.
I know. There are so much cheating going on at McLean, Langley and Madison.
Anonymous
09/21/2020 17:04
Subject: Re:Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Virginia is a rock solid blue state, trending toward progressive. You get what you vote for. Enjoy!
Affirmative action or consideration of race will be gone within 2 years. Deep Red Supreme Court trumps deep blue state. Haha
Or the four new democratic justices will maintain consideration of race. We'll have to wait and see.
Anonymous
09/21/2020 17:00
Subject: Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The entire process has been compromised for the class of 2024. (See the other thread)
There are likely dozens of children that would have gained admission if the company had not systematically coached children to cheat.
If I was TJ Admissions, I would investigate. I would also offer admission to every child on the waitlist, especially if they are from a minority group or a girl.
I would emphasize that we only have hard and incontrovertible evidence of fraud for 2024, but we have circumstantial evidence of fraud for at least 2023 as well, given that 2022 was the first year of the Quant-Q.
Nice trolling. Typical, hiding behind an anonymous message board to make false allegations.
If you have proof, you hand over evidence to proper authorities, prosecute them to the full extent. No one tolerates cheating. What are we teaching kids? I have no idea, but I do want to get to the truth. Why do I dont see this mentioned anywhere, no reference to any investigation, no reference to any evidence.
No, a message board comment is not evidence
Have courage to put your name behind it. Dont be a wimp hiding behind anonymous message board. Are you such a pathetic loser?
What Curie did is not a crime. It's wrong, it's dishonest, and it compromises what was supposed to be a merit-based admissions process, but it's not a crime. Therefore, there will be no investigation, no inquiry, no anything.
FCPS has all the evidence it needs - which Curie handed everyone on a silver platter - to eliminate the exam. The lists of 51, then 95, then 133 students successfully applying from one prep program shows that TJ admissions can very much be a pay-to-play enterprise, which is inappropriate for a public school.
And that will be Curie's legacy - being so effective for the families that chose to pay for them and invest the time and resources that many families do not have - that they partially resulted in the institution of this "merit lottery" system that will probably directly harm Indian families for years to come.
I wonder why the college cheating scandals do not directly harm White families? . One group is okay to lump as a monolith, the other is not.