Anonymous
12/04/2014 16:43
Subject: UVA Gang rape
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....
http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/
"Police had previously confirmed that UVA President Teresa Sullivan had contacted the department to request a criminal investigation and said they were reviewing a published account of the alleged incident. But police have not yet accumulated enough information to take the matter beyond an inquiry and open a formal investigation."
Because Jackie will not work with police they cannot advance this past an inquiry.
The police do not need Jackie to start an investigation... just like they don't need a dead person to testify about their murder or they don't need a wife to bring charges against her husband.
Anonymous
12/04/2014 16:42
Subject: UVA Gang rape
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I believe she was told that Charlottesville police had no jurisdiction over University. It was a coverup by the Univ., and like all coverups. It blew up in their face.
It's such bullshit if it's true. She has no business running a university if she is this naive.
NP. The victim was told the Charlottesville police had no jurisdiction. And yes, the victim was a naive freshman, which the frats targeted.
Yep. I was told to stay away from frat parties my freshman year by a very helpful alum at my college. Best advice ever.
Anonymous
12/04/2014 16:39
Subject: Re:UVA Gang rape
The alternative view is that there is a leaker from the C-ville police department or UVA posting on DCUM. I recall there was a suggestion that Jesse Matthew's DNA would be linked to other cases on DCUMway before a public announcement. Of course, leaking information about non-public police matters would be a huge breach of confidentiality, so I'm going to assume that's a crazy theory.
Anonymous
12/04/2014 16:28
Subject: UVA Gang rape
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....
http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/
"Police had previously confirmed that UVA President Teresa Sullivan had contacted the department to request a criminal investigation and said they were reviewing a published account of the alleged incident. But police have not yet accumulated enough information to take the matter beyond an inquiry and open a formal investigation."
Because Jackie will not work with police they cannot advance this past an inquiry.
Wow you are incorrigible. The article does not say that Jackie will not work with the police. How much does UVa pay you for each time you attack the victim?
You realize that your paranoia and absurd speculation that someone is paying people to comment on a minor anonymous website makes you sound less than debate-worthy, don't you?
Where's your published support? Trying to distract from the fact that you have none?
What, you don't trust unnamed sources when he/she makes an allegation? My word isn't good enough for you? Seems ironic.
But let's say for a minute I don't know for a fact that she's not participating ... are you then of the belief that the Cville police are also complicit in the denial of Jackie's story and the obstruction of justice for the rapists? Because certainly if she had been participating and had named an accuser there would be more than an inquiry at this point. There would be a formal investigation, and we most likely would know the subjects of the investigation.
Or is even the police department, under all this national (actually, global) attention, also willfully preventing the pursuit of justice by declining to elevate their inquiry to a formal investigation? Weeks later, and Jackie - who you deny is not cooperating - has named her assailants and still no investigation has been started nor suspects accused. That is your position? You must have aced Logic 101 in college.
As a lawyer, I know there could be a many reasons that an inquiry has not progressed and you posting repeatedly it is because Jackie is not participating not as opinion but as if it were a fact is a form of attacking the victim. That is pretty basic logic.
Anonymous
12/04/2014 15:46
Subject: UVA Gang rape
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....
http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/
"Police had previously confirmed that UVA President Teresa Sullivan had contacted the department to request a criminal investigation and said they were reviewing a published account of the alleged incident. But police have not yet accumulated enough information to take the matter beyond an inquiry and open a formal investigation."
Because Jackie will not work with police they cannot advance this past an inquiry.
Wow you are incorrigible. The article does not say that Jackie will not work with the police. How much does UVa pay you for each time you attack the victim?
You realize that your paranoia and absurd speculation that someone is paying people to comment on a minor anonymous website makes you sound less than debate-worthy, don't you?
Where's your published support? Trying to distract from the fact that you have none?
What, you don't trust unnamed sources when he/she makes an allegation? My word isn't good enough for you? Seems ironic.
But let's say for a minute I don't know for a fact that she's not participating ... are you then of the belief that the Cville police are also complicit in the denial of Jackie's story and the obstruction of justice for the rapists? Because certainly if she had been participating and had named an accuser there would be more than an inquiry at this point. There would be a formal investigation, and we most likely would know the subjects of the investigation.
Or is even the police department, under all this national (actually, global) attention, also willfully preventing the pursuit of justice by declining to elevate their inquiry to a formal investigation? Weeks later, and Jackie - who you deny is not cooperating - has named her assailants and still no investigation has been started nor suspects accused. That is your position? You must have aced Logic 101 in college.
Anonymous
12/04/2014 15:18
Subject: Re:UVA Gang rape
I haven't read the entire thread, and I don't have enough knowledge to talk with any authority about the specifics of the journalistic ethics of this story.
But I do think that the people who are dismissing it out of hand because, basically, they can't believe that a bunch of wealthy white college students would do this are being very naïve. History and research have shown over and over that ordinary people are capable of doing terrible things, given the right circumstances. Ordinary Germans perpetrated the Holocaust. And, closer at hand to the issue of what college students are capable of doing -- there's the famous Stanford Prison Experiment: http://www.prisonexp.org/. It doesn't take much to get a bunch of people who are part of a cohesive group, in a position of power, to do some awful things.
But I do think that the people who are dismissing it out of hand because, basically, they can't believe that a bunch of wealthy white college students would do this are being very naïve. History and research have shown over and over that ordinary people are capable of doing terrible things, given the right circumstances. Ordinary Germans perpetrated the Holocaust. And, closer at hand to the issue of what college students are capable of doing -- there's the famous Stanford Prison Experiment: http://www.prisonexp.org/. It doesn't take much to get a bunch of people who are part of a cohesive group, in a position of power, to do some awful things.
Anonymous
12/04/2014 14:34
Subject: UVA Gang rape
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....
http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/
"Police had previously confirmed that UVA President Teresa Sullivan had contacted the department to request a criminal investigation and said they were reviewing a published account of the alleged incident. But police have not yet accumulated enough information to take the matter beyond an inquiry and open a formal investigation."
Because Jackie will not work with police they cannot advance this past an inquiry.
Wow you are incorrigible. The article does not say that Jackie will not work with the police. How much does UVa pay you for each time you attack the victim?
You realize that your paranoia and absurd speculation that someone is paying people to comment on a minor anonymous website makes you sound less than debate-worthy, don't you?
Where's your published support? Trying to distract from the fact that you have none?
Anonymous
12/04/2014 14:31
Subject: UVA Gang rape
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....
http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/
"Police had previously confirmed that UVA President Teresa Sullivan had contacted the department to request a criminal investigation and said they were reviewing a published account of the alleged incident. But police have not yet accumulated enough information to take the matter beyond an inquiry and open a formal investigation."
Because Jackie will not work with police they cannot advance this past an inquiry.
Wow you are incorrigible. The article does not say that Jackie will not work with the police. How much does UVa pay you for each time you attack the victim?
You realize that your paranoia and absurd speculation that someone is paying people to comment on a minor anonymous website makes you sound less than debate-worthy, don't you?
Anonymous
12/04/2014 14:06
Subject: Re:UVA Gang rape
Anonymous wrote:Here’s what I see. Jackie alleges a rape occurred in 2012. Who did it? I don’t want to say. Well you’re alleging a crime was committed that has serious consequences - who were they? I don’t want them contacted. So what do you want? Just to have my one side of the story told with no possible rebuttal from those accused of this crime. Well how do we know it really occurred? You just have to believe me. O.K.
starting to wonder if ‘Jackie" is a composite of several people/incidents like the Janet Cooke story.
Starting to wonder, who the fuck's patrol you are on!
Anonymous
12/04/2014 13:51
Subject: UVA Gang rape
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....
http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/
"Police had previously confirmed that UVA President Teresa Sullivan had contacted the department to request a criminal investigation and said they were reviewing a published account of the alleged incident. But police have not yet accumulated enough information to take the matter beyond an inquiry and open a formal investigation."
Because Jackie will not work with police they cannot advance this past an inquiry.
Wow you are incorrigible. The article does not say that Jackie will not work with the police. How much does UVa pay you for each time you attack the victim?
Anonymous
12/03/2014 17:23
Subject: UVA Gang rape
Anonymous wrote:WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....
http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/
"Police had previously confirmed that UVA President Teresa Sullivan had contacted the department to request a criminal investigation and said they were reviewing a published account of the alleged incident. But police have not yet accumulated enough information to take the matter beyond an inquiry and open a formal investigation."
Because Jackie will not work with police they cannot advance this past an inquiry.
Anonymous
12/03/2014 17:20
Subject: UVA Gang rape
WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....
http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/
http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/
Anonymous
12/03/2014 16:22
Subject: UVA Gang rape
Well one thing you can tell is the Greek life at UVA has over stayed it welcome. There are no defenders of what has evolved at UVA.
Anonymous
12/03/2014 16:07
Subject: Re:UVA Gang rape
Here’s what I see. Jackie alleges a rape occurred in 2012. Who did it? I don’t want to say. Well you’re alleging a crime was committed that has serious consequences - who were they? I don’t want them contacted. So what do you want? Just to have my one side of the story told with no possible rebuttal from those accused of this crime. Well how do we know it really occurred? You just have to believe me. O.K.
starting to wonder if ‘Jackie" is a composite of several people/incidents like the Janet Cooke story.
starting to wonder if ‘Jackie" is a composite of several people/incidents like the Janet Cooke story.
Anonymous
12/03/2014 15:47
Subject: UVA Gang rape
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
That could just as easily describe a group of women who collectively develop a convenient narrative that contains a combustible mix of true, imagined and wished-upon facts.
A group of people coming up with a group narrative is comparable to a group of people raping a person?
Yes, if the focus is on the group behavior.