Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 08:23     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:I'm anti IVF because I think it's wasteful to spend tens of thousands of dollars on getting pregnant when there are already children here who need homes. But if you have the money, it's your body, your family, your life. Do what you want.


Alright, I have to stick up for the IVF crowd (and I didn't even do IVF, so I have no dog in this fight). For many fortunate people, their insurance pays for IVF or other fertility treatments, therefore they have very few costs to bear. Of course, there are some people who must pay out of pocket, and yes, that can cost a lot. Both domestic and international adoption is changing...the standard for a domestic one is open adoption (in whatever degree of openess) and the expectant mom picks the adoptive parents. Of course, because the baby isn't born and relinquished yet, making her an expectant mom and not a birth mom at that point, she has the right to change her mind and decide to parent. So btwn having an expectant mom pick you AND then have her actually decide to place...well, that can take a long time. People can wait years. With international adoption, many countries are closed or timelines, like Korea and China, are pretty slow. Again, it could take years. With either kind of adoption, it could take years or it could be quick. It's not as straightforward and reliable as it used to be.

We adopted internationally and it was the right choice for us- no doubt about it. However, I can completely understand why some people choose to pursue fertility treatments that could take less time and money than adoption. I also understand that some people want a bio connection to their kids- I bet the great majority of people do even fertile people. Otherwise, you as a fertile person would've adopted and not had bio children, no?? Also, depending on mental health or physical health (or income), some people don't qualify for an international adoption.

I do wish that more people would consider adoption, but all you can ask is that they genuinely consider it, and if they decide for whatever reason it's not right for them, then that's good they considered and decided against it. Personally, we did not pursue IVF for many reasons, but as long as people who do don't make derogatory remarks about adoption and adoptees, then I have no beef with IVF.

Signed, an adoptee and adoptive parent

Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 08:21     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:23:55 seemed like a republican to me- too.

As tor the anti-marathon-dad poster.....I think that it is not selfish if them to follow their interests- life does not stop when you become a parent. My brothers and dad have run several marathon's between them and they are all devoted to their children.


I've run four marathons. It's never interfered with my ability to spend time with my kids. I run every weekday morning at 4:45. My kids are asleep. I do my long runs on Sunday mornings while everyone is sleeping. If I run at 5am, I can get in a 20 mile run before anyone in my house is even awake. When I get home, I get everyone up for church. We go out for a big meal after church, so the timing works out perfectly.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 08:16     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:I'm anti IVF because I think it's wasteful to spend tens of thousands of dollars on getting pregnant when there are already children here who need homes. But if you have the money, it's your body, your family, your life. Do what you want.

Why, thank you, honey.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 08:15     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
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Anonymous wrote:I oppose Gay Marriage.


I LOVE that marriage equality has become so accepted that you don't want others to know how you truly feel!


Me too, as a lesbian I love to hear that I'm finally going to maybe possibly be treated as a human.

Oh, stop with the pity party. It's annoying.


I don't care what it is? Are you gay? Do you know what it's like walking around knowing half the people want you dead or to just disappear?

Fuck you.

Drama queen.

There are 7B people in the world, so by your drama-filled post 3.5 billion people want you to either disappear or die? If you can't the heat get out of the kitchen and stop eating at the buffet.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 08:13     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious why so many people are opposed to veganism and not vegetarianism. Do you find that vegans tend to be more self-righteous about their views?


I do find that many Vegans tend to be more self righteous and vocal about all of their opinions.

"Of COURSE we didn't vaccinate or circumcise Micah and we don't do screen time and he only plays with wood toys..."

I find that Veganism is a very socially isolating choice and for a certain type of person a petulant brand of attention seeking. Think of a 16 year old girl saying, "I will ONLY wear pleather because cows DIED to make those shoes" or "I don't eat anything with a FACE!" (and posting this on instagram with an accompanying lamb picture).

I also have known many eating disordered women that hide out in Veganism and then obsessively quiz the waiter at the restaurant "Are you sure there is absoloutely no butter in the sautéed kale platter?

I just find it kind exhausting to spend time with someone who must devote so much energy to controlling their intake. Meanwhile, they go home and eat an entire tub of soy ice cream later.

Pretty funny post --sums it up perfectly.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 08:08     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
I'm anti IVF because I think it's wasteful to spend tens of thousands of dollars on getting pregnant when there are already children here who need homes. But if you have the money, it's your body, your family, your life. Do what you want.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 08:07     Subject: Re:Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
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Anonymous wrote:What's with all the hate for IVF? Because I can't get pregnant naturally I should just accept that? By that line of reasoning I should decline treatment for a cancer dx.


I realize that this may sound harsh, but a lot of people think of infertility as an evolutionary mechanism. I realize that isn't an emotionally acceptable idea for those struggling with infertility, but such evolutionary mechanisms are evident in all species.


Wow, what an idiot. Creationism?
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 08:03     Subject: Re:Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
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Anonymous wrote:What's with all the hate for IVF? Because I can't get pregnant naturally I should just accept that? By that line of reasoning I should decline treatment for a cancer dx.


I realize that this may sound harsh, but a lot of people think of infertility as an evolutionary mechanism. I realize that isn't an emotionally acceptable idea for those struggling with infertility, but such evolutionary mechanisms are evident in all species.


new poster here. But then isn't any disease, especially cancer also an evolutionary mechanism? Especially cancer in childhood and young adulthood.


Natural selection is a very slow, very gradual process, over thousands and thousands of years. There may very well be mechanisms already working within us to counter those diseases, and they may very well be a part of infertility. I know it doesn't make it easier to bear for those that wish to pass on their genes and have biological children, but infertility can serve a greater species purpose and benefit.



uhmm, ok, pps point still stands that childhood cancer is an evolutionary adaption as well. The children who die are serving the "the greater species purpose" as you so eloquently put it.


Cancer is environmental.

Sorry.

Carry on.


Yes, it can be but it can also be genetic. We have a very strong genetic background of the exact same kind of cancer that goes back for generations in my family.
Then you are cursed. Sins of the father. You might want to spend less time at the doctor and more time with a priest.

Sorry.


Please go back into your cave and spare humanity exposure to your stupidity. I do hope you did not have any children.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 07:59     Subject: Re:Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
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Anonymous wrote:What's with all the hate for IVF? Because I can't get pregnant naturally I should just accept that? By that line of reasoning I should decline treatment for a cancer dx.


I realize that this may sound harsh, but a lot of people think of infertility as an evolutionary mechanism. I realize that isn't an emotionally acceptable idea for those struggling with infertility, but such evolutionary mechanisms are evident in all species.


new poster here. But then isn't any disease, especially cancer also an evolutionary mechanism? Especially cancer in childhood and young adulthood.


Natural selection is a very slow, very gradual process, over thousands and thousands of years. There may very well be mechanisms already working within us to counter those diseases, and they may very well be a part of infertility. I know it doesn't make it easier to bear for those that wish to pass on their genes and have biological children, but infertility can serve a greater species purpose and benefit.





uhmm, ok, pps point still stands that childhood cancer is an evolutionary adaption as well. The children who die are serving the "the greater species purpose" as you so eloquently put it.


Cancer is environmental.

Sorry.


Carry on.





A) Almost all cancers have a genetic component that can be aggrevated in some cases by environmental factors. But breast cancer, colon cancer, ovarian cancer, blood cancers, etc - all have genetic links. Moreover, your argument, people with diabetes, cancer, heart disease, or even the flu shouldn't get treatment because there's an evolutionary component - perhaps even a benefit - to them being left untreated and, ultimately, dying.

B) Most infertile couples aren't infertile because of genetic deficiencies. It does seem like a lot of people on this thread have an issue with infertility treatments and it's very strange. My guess is that they have ZERO exposure or real knowledge about infertility.

Most cancers have a genetic component.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 07:57     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
anti infertility person/ people- seriously if natural selection were at work many fertile people would be infertile- including you

anti-adoption person/ people- seriously what do you prose the solution be?

overly affectionate gay men in public, people who are in your face re homopsexuality

people who have no clue about current events- seriously all you have to do is skim cnn or yahoo headlines

judgmental women/ mean girls

people who need extra help in a workout class/ bootcamp and hold up class or aren't focused in class, no problem with you working out but if you aren't going to pay attention or can't keep up try something else or a different class

crowded yoga classes- get out of my space- I am trying to cultivate inner peace and i need a bubble around me to do it

people who get stuck and cannot move on

women acting stupid around men- obnoxious laughing

smoking

anchor babies, amnesty for illegal immigrants- I am ok with path to citizenship through serving in armed forces

immigrants that don't speak english or learn it

immigrants who don't assimilate- only come here, live in closed communities and hate america

rich people who think it is just hard work

phew ok, I feel better now

Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 07:19     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Israel, Saudi Arabia, and our alliance with both countries.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 07:15     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
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Anonymous wrote:What's with the hate for vegans?
I ask because I am one, but doubt that many people know or care.


Here's a post from someone who's a vegan, on Facebook.
The woman is in her 30s, child-hating, and cat-crazy.

"What do you do with a waiter who, after you ordered the only thing on the menu, the vegan dumpligs, being also the ONLY person in a restaurant, serves you PORK dumplings and then after you made one bite and, terrified, asked what it was tells you: "pork". What can you do, besides running to a bathroom and puking your guts out, while screaming and crying in agonizing hysteria, and after an hour of brushing your teeth STILL feeling the taste of dead animal in your mouth?!?
This day turned out to be a complete epitomy of horror, shock, pain, betrayal and vomit for me. I'm off to bed. Please no phone calls today."

I dunno what you do. Shoot the waiter, I guess.


"No phone calls. Just comment on this status about the most 'terrible' thing thats ever happened to me!"
Hate dramatic FB posts...losers


Being a vegan doesn't account for that level of crazy. I was a vegan for years and once accidentally ate a chicken burger that was mislabeled as a veggie chicken burger. I would rather have not eaten it, but I didn't barf or whatever. I think I mentioned to the manager that it was mislabeled (it was at a cafeteria) once I realized the mistake but that was it. Even as a vegan, I knew I had to live in the world, and sometimes that means accidentally eating something I'd rather not eat.


+1

And my dad became a vegan after suffering some serious health complications. He is much healthier now and won't ever go back, but when he accidentally gets a bite of meat he's more excited than disgusted. I hate to think so many sweeping generalizations about vegans are being applied to people who turned to it for the health benefits.


Vegetarian here. I also accidentally ate a turkey burger once. I think I brushed my teeth afterwards. Didn't freak out.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 07:12     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anti- interfility-treatment posters: Infertility isn't a disease, it's a symptom. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't treat a disease because it's the natural order not to? Because that logic would extend to all diseases that have effects on people -- cancer, for example.

If someone had a disease that caused the removal of their leg, would you suggest that a prosthetic isn't appropriate because it is anti-evolutionary?
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 07:07     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:I'm curious why so many people are opposed to veganism and not vegetarianism. Do you find that vegans tend to be more self-righteous about their views?


I do find that many Vegans tend to be more self righteous and vocal about all of their opinions.

"Of COURSE we didn't vaccinate or circumcise Micah and we don't do screen time and he only plays with wood toys..."

I find that Veganism is a very socially isolating choice and for a certain type of person a petulant brand of attention seeking. Think of a 16 year old girl saying, "I will ONLY wear pleather because cows DIED to make those shoes" or "I don't eat anything with a FACE!" (and posting this on instagram with an accompanying lamb picture).

I also have known many eating disordered women that hide out in Veganism and then obsessively quiz the waiter at the restaurant "Are you sure there is absoloutely no butter in the sautéed kale platter?

I just find it kind exhausting to spend time with someone who must devote so much energy to controlling their intake. Meanwhile, they go home and eat an entire tub of soy ice cream later.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 07:04     Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Adding more from pp

Allowing illegal immigrants citizenship
Allowing illegal immigrants in state tuition
Allowing illegal immigrants to stay in this country