Anonymous wrote:Is that why there are very few entitled graduate students in disciplines like math, physics, chemistry, computer science, engineering, technology and economics?

Or are these disciplines too hard for the leisure crowd.4

They are all in graduate studies in English, their native tongue, so they can all communicate with themselves flaunting their skills in America English.

??? Too angry to make sense?

Is that why there are very few entitled graduate students in disciplines like math, physics, chemistry, computer science, engineering, technology and economics?

Or are these disciplines too hard for the leisure crowd.4

They are all in graduate studies in English, their native tongue, so they can all communicate with themselves flaunting their skills in America English.

The same thing happened with GRE scores in graduate schools. People from overseas with no oral communication skills scored higher than native English speakers in the verbal part, only to arrive in the US and have trouble communicating with their professors and fellow students. How? Through prepping to death at prep mills in China and other countries... As a result, graduate schools around the country had to change the admissions process and the way GRE scores are evaluated, at the expense of many international students who never got the memo about the prepping and tried the old-fashioned way. Now, if you tell me that this is OK too, then, what can I say? Prep on to your heart's content and let's see where this leads us... Probably scrambling to copy the innovations that are produced by the rest of the world, just like China has been doing for years!

people from India and S. Korea prep like hell in their countries and then bring there culture with them over here. That is how it is.
You can decide if you want to keep up with them or decide it's a race to nowhere.

Does coGAT have analogy questions?

Is coGAT an aptitude?

Yes or no answer

Given the track record of all these aptitude tests?

How many of these alphabet acronyms are there?

What are we paying these educational experts to do...produce a single set of 30 question children take on one day in their exciting and beginning educational and use the results of this test to decide who gets a challenging educational menu and will get bread and water?

Are we dealing with experts in child education or bureaucrats with some other overarching social and political agenda?

Why do you think the college board took the anaologies out of the SAT?

The analogies required vocabulary and reasoning together. Only smart kids could do it.

Thanks for your contribution. That was my understanding several decades ago! Nothing has changed except for the ACT is giving the SAT a run for its money.

You must have worked with the College Board a very long time ago. "Ability" has not been part of the name since before 1990, 23 years ago.

Look it up

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WHAT DOES THE SAT* MEASURE?

The SAT is an aptitude test. Like all aptitude tests, it must choose a medium in which to measure intellectual ability. The SAT has chosen math and English.

The question is -- does it measure aptitude for college? The SAT's ability to predict performance in college is only a little better than chance.

No test can measure all aspects of intelligence. Thus, any admission test, no matter how well written, is inherently inadequate. Nevertheless, some form of admission testing is necessary. It would be unfair to base acceptance to college solely on grades; they can be misleading. For instance, would it be fair to admit a student with an A average earned in easy classes over a student with a B average earned in difficult classes? A school's reputation is too broad a measure to use as admission criteria. Many students seek out easy classes and generous instructors in hopes of inflating their GPA. Furthermore, a system that would monitor the academic standards of every class would be cost prohibitive and stifling. So, until a better system is proposed, the admission test is here to stay.

FORMAT OF THE NEW SAT

The SAT is a three-hour and 45 minute test. Only three hours and twenty minutes of the test count toward your score-- the experimental section is not scored. There are ten sections in the test.

QED

You must have worked with the College Board a very long time ago. "Ability" has not been part of the name since before 1990, 23 years ago.

Look it up.

As someone who has worked with the College Board I was unaware the SAT or Scholastic Aptitude Test or Ability test has now become an Assessment test. Are you confusing our many achievement tests with assessment tests. The achievement tests are very different from the aptitude and ability test.
Do not circulate misinformation if you do not have the background or knowledge. This poster repeatedly makes these significant errors which blows whatever waning credibility she has left.

Anonymous wrote:This is all so simple.
The CogAt is supposed to test aptitude. If the exact questions are practiced, then it does not yield accurate results. It is supposed to test the student's ability to figure it out for themselves.

An earlier poster mentioned test prep for the SAT. That is quite different. It has not been the Scholastic Aptitude Test for many, many years. It was changed to the Scholastic ASSESSMENT Test and now it is only the SAT. It mostly tests knowledge, reading and math skills that can be acquired through instruction. It has many,many more questions on it than the CogAt, and it changes every year-I think. The practice sessions can identify weaknesses that can be improved through practice and study.
Now, if the practice sessions included the exact same SAT that was being given with the exact same questions, that would be a problem. However, that is not the practice with the SAT.

+1
But this post makes sense. I expect accusations and personal attacks to follow shortly.

Anonymous wrote:
"Oh, honey, come over here and see this! And bring the popcorn!"

"Why, what's going on?"

"Haha, some poster was trying to have an intelligent conversation on test prep for the CogAT!"

"Really? You mean there is someone out there who doesn't know that there is no logic or reason in the Land of Agenda? Hahahahaha!"

"Haha, unbelievable, right?!"

"Too funny!"

Yes, why have an intelligent discussion when you can just throw out odd accusations and make mean-spirited personal attacks? What fun is it to stick to one topic?

Now paid teachers who provide instruction for our children so they can reach their potential and do well on tests like coGAT are at fault?

I really don't fault parents for wanting to help their child do well on the CogAt, but I do fault the instructors who choose to cheat the system for profit.

Most parents don't realize it is cheating. The instructors-and FCPS-do know.