Anonymous wrote:I feel like we’re so cooked as a society.

- people now blindly follow “guides” and have lost the ability to think for themselves.

- our lives are unfulfilled and boring and we need extreme excursions to bring us back to life

- we continue to hold moms to a higher standard.

- someone in this thread was hurt by an intelligent woman or something, and it shows. It’s one thing to point out that the guides - men and a woman - and the guests - men and women - made dumb decisions. It’s another thing to smugly fixate on the women, their jobs, their colleges. It’s weird.

Anonymous wrote:You forgot the judgmental cows who have nothing better to do than trash these dead women.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

Notice how the author reduces these women to just "moms". I'm sure they would hate that since so much of this is about not losing their sense of self and not just being wives, mothers, employees, sense of self, freedom.. But, this author just calls them 'moms'. The same women would probably bristle if the pediatrician walked in the exam room and just referred to them as "mom" during a child's appointment, instead of bothering to learn her name.

WTF is this misogynistic BS?

I’m a lot of things, including a mom, but if I’m at the pediatrician WITH MY CHILDREN, AS THEIR MOTHER, I wouldn’t bristle at someone referring to me as mom. Go crawl back in your cave. People are dead. Why on earth do you think it’s appropriate to denigrate them?

Get over yourself. The article sucks. And you don’t understand at all what i am talking about. Unless your first name actually is Mom.

Many of us are more than happy to be called "Mom," even when we work ouside the home in careers we love. We also understand that many DCUM posters put their own interests, activities, and careers first and apparently view "Mom" as a less than valued term.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

Notice how the author reduces these women to just "moms". I'm sure they would hate that since so much of this is about not losing their sense of self and not just being wives, mothers, employees, sense of self, freedom.. But, this author just calls them 'moms'. The same women would probably bristle if the pediatrician walked in the exam room and just referred to them as "mom" during a child's appointment, instead of bothering to learn her name.

That would be great to list the profession of each of these moms in every article. Would remind everyone of their intelligence and degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

If you aren't free climbing, you aren't a real climber.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

Notice how the author reduces these women to just "moms". I'm sure they would hate that since so much of this is about not losing their sense of self and not just being wives, mothers, employees, sense of self, freedom.. But, this author just calls them 'moms'. The same women would probably bristle if the pediatrician walked in the exam room and just referred to them as "mom" during a child's appointment, instead of bothering to learn her name.

WTF is this misogynistic BS?

I’m a lot of things, including a mom, but if I’m at the pediatrician WITH MY CHILDREN, AS THEIR MOTHER, I wouldn’t bristle at someone referring to me as mom. Go crawl back in your cave. People are dead. Why on earth do you think it’s appropriate to denigrate them?

Get over yourself. The article sucks. And you don’t understand at all what i am talking about. Unless your first name actually is Mom.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

Notice how the author reduces these women to just "moms". I'm sure they would hate that since so much of this is about not losing their sense of self and not just being wives, mothers, employees, sense of self, freedom.. But, this author just calls them 'moms'. The same women would probably bristle if the pediatrician walked in the exam room and just referred to them as "mom" during a child's appointment, instead of bothering to learn her name.

WTF is this misogynistic BS?

I’m a lot of things, including a mom, but if I’m at the pediatrician WITH MY CHILDREN, AS THEIR MOTHER, I wouldn’t bristle at someone referring to me as mom. Go crawl back in your cave. People are dead. Why on earth do you think it’s appropriate to denigrate them?

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

If you aren't free climbing, you aren't a real climber.

We know that. It's something similar that's safer.

Free climbing IS safe. It’s climbing WITH a rope propelling yourself upward by hands and feet and not any other aid. You are thinking of free soloing, which is climbing without a rope.

+1. Pp knows little about the outdoors.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

If you aren't free climbing, you aren't a real climber.

We know that. It's something similar that's safer.

Free climbing IS safe. It’s climbing WITH a rope propelling yourself upward by hands and feet and not any other aid. You are thinking of free soloing, which is climbing without a rope.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

If you aren't free climbing, you aren't a real climber.

We know that. It's something similar that's safer.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

Notice how the author reduces these women to just "moms". I'm sure they would hate that since so much of this is about not losing their sense of self and not just being wives, mothers, employees, sense of self, freedom.. But, this author just calls them 'moms'. The same women would probably bristle if the pediatrician walked in the exam room and just referred to them as "mom" during a child's appointment, instead of bothering to learn her name.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

Notice how the author reduces these women to just "moms". I'm sure they would hate that since so much of this is about not losing their sense of self and not just being wives, mothers, employees, sense of self, freedom.. But, this author just calls them 'moms'. The same women would probably bristle if the pediatrician walked in the exam room and just referred to them as "mom" during a child's appointment, instead of bothering to learn her name.