Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 10:12     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

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Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


stop if with the chamber of commerce propaganda. Americans will do any job.

Chicken farms

Less than one week after ICE raided 7 food processing facilities in Mississippi apprehending nearly 700 illegal workers, American citizens are rushing to freshly-available jobs.

Koch Foods is headquartered in Chicago but maintains a chicken processing facility in Mississippi that employed 243 of the 680 undocumented Latino workers arrested in the raids last Thursday. Koch has since collaborated with the Mississippi Department of Employment Security (MDES), holding a job fair to recruit new, legal, workers, according to the Associated Press.

The fair raked in 200 applications before noon, according to local media. The company says it will require applicants to present two forms of identification before being hired, according to CNN. MDES will also vet all Mississippi workers for legality using the state’s E-Verify system, according to USA Today.

I would not do that work for peanuts with no benefits, like most US workers. maybe they should increase the wages and add health care? crazy idea to people like you.

Econ 101 will give you background on the impact of Supply and Demand on prices.

if Supply goes up, the cost will come down.
if Supply goes down, the cost goes up.

if we were to limit the overwhelming immigration of low wage workers, the wages for low wage workers would increase.

I think that is a good thing.

people like you think that is a bad thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/13/citizens-line-up-mississippi-jobs-fear-ice-raids-impact-immigrants/


+1 the idea that illegal immigrants do jobs that Americans won't do has to be one of the greatest political lies told, believed and perpetuated in modern history. Employers skip over Americans intentionally to hire people here without authorization for a variety of reasons and they spread the lie that they can't find anyone to work. Even the new president of Mexico recently said this publicly.

There was an article about how a farmer tried to hire American workers, including some college students home for the summer. Only a handful of real Americans stayed for the duration of the harvesting. The rest left.


Yeah I'm sure he did say that.


NP. So people only are truthful when what they say matches what you think?
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 10:10     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


stop if with the chamber of commerce propaganda. Americans will do any job.

Chicken farms

Less than one week after ICE raided 7 food processing facilities in Mississippi apprehending nearly 700 illegal workers, American citizens are rushing to freshly-available jobs.

Koch Foods is headquartered in Chicago but maintains a chicken processing facility in Mississippi that employed 243 of the 680 undocumented Latino workers arrested in the raids last Thursday. Koch has since collaborated with the Mississippi Department of Employment Security (MDES), holding a job fair to recruit new, legal, workers, according to the Associated Press.

The fair raked in 200 applications before noon, according to local media. The company says it will require applicants to present two forms of identification before being hired, according to CNN. MDES will also vet all Mississippi workers for legality using the state’s E-Verify system, according to USA Today.

I would not do that work for peanuts with no benefits, like most US workers. maybe they should increase the wages and add health care? crazy idea to people like you.

Econ 101 will give you background on the impact of Supply and Demand on prices.

if Supply goes up, the cost will come down.
if Supply goes down, the cost goes up.

if we were to limit the overwhelming immigration of low wage workers, the wages for low wage workers would increase.

I think that is a good thing.

people like you think that is a bad thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/13/citizens-line-up-mississippi-jobs-fear-ice-raids-impact-immigrants/


And if cost of labor goes up, cost of goods will go up.

Meaning a whole lot of middle class Americans won't be able to afford their current lifestyle.

Ready to get an orange for Xmas, like my grandfather did?


Why do democrats take the exact opposite position when discussion of the minimum wage comes up?



Np. You’re the one who voted on the price of eggs.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 10:09     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


stop if with the chamber of commerce propaganda. Americans will do any job.

Chicken farms

Less than one week after ICE raided 7 food processing facilities in Mississippi apprehending nearly 700 illegal workers, American citizens are rushing to freshly-available jobs.

Koch Foods is headquartered in Chicago but maintains a chicken processing facility in Mississippi that employed 243 of the 680 undocumented Latino workers arrested in the raids last Thursday. Koch has since collaborated with the Mississippi Department of Employment Security (MDES), holding a job fair to recruit new, legal, workers, according to the Associated Press.

The fair raked in 200 applications before noon, according to local media. The company says it will require applicants to present two forms of identification before being hired, according to CNN. MDES will also vet all Mississippi workers for legality using the state’s E-Verify system, according to USA Today.

I would not do that work for peanuts with no benefits, like most US workers. maybe they should increase the wages and add health care? crazy idea to people like you.

Econ 101 will give you background on the impact of Supply and Demand on prices.

if Supply goes up, the cost will come down.
if Supply goes down, the cost goes up.

if we were to limit the overwhelming immigration of low wage workers, the wages for low wage workers would increase.

I think that is a good thing.

people like you think that is a bad thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/13/citizens-line-up-mississippi-jobs-fear-ice-raids-impact-immigrants/


+1 the idea that illegal immigrants do jobs that Americans won't do has to be one of the greatest political lies told, believed and perpetuated in modern history. Employers skip over Americans intentionally to hire people here without authorization for a variety of reasons and they spread the lie that they can't find anyone to work. Even the new president of Mexico recently said this publicly.

There was an article about how a farmer tried to hire American workers, including some college students home for the summer. Only a handful of real Americans stayed for the duration of the harvesting. The rest left.


Yeah I'm sure he did say that.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 10:09     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


stop if with the chamber of commerce propaganda. Americans will do any job.

Chicken farms

Less than one week after ICE raided 7 food processing facilities in Mississippi apprehending nearly 700 illegal workers, American citizens are rushing to freshly-available jobs.

Koch Foods is headquartered in Chicago but maintains a chicken processing facility in Mississippi that employed 243 of the 680 undocumented Latino workers arrested in the raids last Thursday. Koch has since collaborated with the Mississippi Department of Employment Security (MDES), holding a job fair to recruit new, legal, workers, according to the Associated Press.

The fair raked in 200 applications before noon, according to local media. The company says it will require applicants to present two forms of identification before being hired, according to CNN. MDES will also vet all Mississippi workers for legality using the state’s E-Verify system, according to USA Today.

I would not do that work for peanuts with no benefits, like most US workers. maybe they should increase the wages and add health care? crazy idea to people like you.

Econ 101 will give you background on the impact of Supply and Demand on prices.

if Supply goes up, the cost will come down.
if Supply goes down, the cost goes up.

if we were to limit the overwhelming immigration of low wage workers, the wages for low wage workers would increase.

I think that is a good thing.

people like you think that is a bad thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/13/citizens-line-up-mississippi-jobs-fear-ice-raids-impact-immigrants/


+1 the idea that illegal immigrants do jobs that Americans won't do has to be one of the greatest political lies told, believed and perpetuated in modern history. Employers skip over Americans intentionally to hire people here without authorization for a variety of reasons and they spread the lie that they can't find anyone to work. Even the new president of Mexico recently said this publicly.



You think American companies are hiring illegal immigrants because they don’t want to hire Americans?
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 10:05     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


stop if with the chamber of commerce propaganda. Americans will do any job.

Chicken farms

Less than one week after ICE raided 7 food processing facilities in Mississippi apprehending nearly 700 illegal workers, American citizens are rushing to freshly-available jobs.

Koch Foods is headquartered in Chicago but maintains a chicken processing facility in Mississippi that employed 243 of the 680 undocumented Latino workers arrested in the raids last Thursday. Koch has since collaborated with the Mississippi Department of Employment Security (MDES), holding a job fair to recruit new, legal, workers, according to the Associated Press.

The fair raked in 200 applications before noon, according to local media. The company says it will require applicants to present two forms of identification before being hired, according to CNN. MDES will also vet all Mississippi workers for legality using the state’s E-Verify system, according to USA Today.

I would not do that work for peanuts with no benefits, like most US workers. maybe they should increase the wages and add health care? crazy idea to people like you.

Econ 101 will give you background on the impact of Supply and Demand on prices.

if Supply goes up, the cost will come down.
if Supply goes down, the cost goes up.

if we were to limit the overwhelming immigration of low wage workers, the wages for low wage workers would increase.

I think that is a good thing.

people like you think that is a bad thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/13/citizens-line-up-mississippi-jobs-fear-ice-raids-impact-immigrants/


And if cost of labor goes up, cost of goods will go up.

Meaning a whole lot of middle class Americans won't be able to afford their current lifestyle.

Ready to get an orange for Xmas, like my grandfather did?


Why do democrats take the exact opposite position when discussion of the minimum wage comes up?
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 10:04     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


stop if with the chamber of commerce propaganda. Americans will do any job.

Chicken farms

Less than one week after ICE raided 7 food processing facilities in Mississippi apprehending nearly 700 illegal workers, American citizens are rushing to freshly-available jobs.

Koch Foods is headquartered in Chicago but maintains a chicken processing facility in Mississippi that employed 243 of the 680 undocumented Latino workers arrested in the raids last Thursday. Koch has since collaborated with the Mississippi Department of Employment Security (MDES), holding a job fair to recruit new, legal, workers, according to the Associated Press.

The fair raked in 200 applications before noon, according to local media. The company says it will require applicants to present two forms of identification before being hired, according to CNN. MDES will also vet all Mississippi workers for legality using the state’s E-Verify system, according to USA Today.

I would not do that work for peanuts with no benefits, like most US workers. maybe they should increase the wages and add health care? crazy idea to people like you.

Econ 101 will give you background on the impact of Supply and Demand on prices.

if Supply goes up, the cost will come down.
if Supply goes down, the cost goes up.

if we were to limit the overwhelming immigration of low wage workers, the wages for low wage workers would increase.

I think that is a good thing.

people like you think that is a bad thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/13/citizens-line-up-mississippi-jobs-fear-ice-raids-impact-immigrants/


Koch Brothers should be fined 1 million per worker and the leadership of Koch Foods (including the Koch family) should be jailed for 1 year per worker.

An example like that would cut down on the hiring of perople who are not lawfully permitted to work.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 10:04     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


stop if with the chamber of commerce propaganda. Americans will do any job.

Chicken farms

Less than one week after ICE raided 7 food processing facilities in Mississippi apprehending nearly 700 illegal workers, American citizens are rushing to freshly-available jobs.

Koch Foods is headquartered in Chicago but maintains a chicken processing facility in Mississippi that employed 243 of the 680 undocumented Latino workers arrested in the raids last Thursday. Koch has since collaborated with the Mississippi Department of Employment Security (MDES), holding a job fair to recruit new, legal, workers, according to the Associated Press.

The fair raked in 200 applications before noon, according to local media. The company says it will require applicants to present two forms of identification before being hired, according to CNN. MDES will also vet all Mississippi workers for legality using the state’s E-Verify system, according to USA Today.

I would not do that work for peanuts with no benefits, like most US workers. maybe they should increase the wages and add health care? crazy idea to people like you.

Econ 101 will give you background on the impact of Supply and Demand on prices.

if Supply goes up, the cost will come down.
if Supply goes down, the cost goes up.

if we were to limit the overwhelming immigration of low wage workers, the wages for low wage workers would increase.

I think that is a good thing.

people like you think that is a bad thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/13/citizens-line-up-mississippi-jobs-fear-ice-raids-impact-immigrants/


And if cost of labor goes up, cost of goods will go up.

Meaning a whole lot of middle class Americans won't be able to afford their current lifestyle.

Ready to get an orange for Xmas, like my grandfather did?
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 09:58     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


stop if with the chamber of commerce propaganda. Americans will do any job.

Chicken farms

Less than one week after ICE raided 7 food processing facilities in Mississippi apprehending nearly 700 illegal workers, American citizens are rushing to freshly-available jobs.

Koch Foods is headquartered in Chicago but maintains a chicken processing facility in Mississippi that employed 243 of the 680 undocumented Latino workers arrested in the raids last Thursday. Koch has since collaborated with the Mississippi Department of Employment Security (MDES), holding a job fair to recruit new, legal, workers, according to the Associated Press.

The fair raked in 200 applications before noon, according to local media. The company says it will require applicants to present two forms of identification before being hired, according to CNN. MDES will also vet all Mississippi workers for legality using the state’s E-Verify system, according to USA Today.

I would not do that work for peanuts with no benefits, like most US workers. maybe they should increase the wages and add health care? crazy idea to people like you.

Econ 101 will give you background on the impact of Supply and Demand on prices.

if Supply goes up, the cost will come down.
if Supply goes down, the cost goes up.

if we were to limit the overwhelming immigration of low wage workers, the wages for low wage workers would increase.

I think that is a good thing.

people like you think that is a bad thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/13/citizens-line-up-mississippi-jobs-fear-ice-raids-impact-immigrants/


+1 the idea that illegal immigrants do jobs that Americans won't do has to be one of the greatest political lies told, believed and perpetuated in modern history. Employers skip over Americans intentionally to hire people here without authorization for a variety of reasons and they spread the lie that they can't find anyone to work. Even the new president of Mexico recently said this publicly.

There was an article about how a farmer tried to hire American workers, including some college students home for the summer. Only a handful of real Americans stayed for the duration of the harvesting. The rest left.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 09:45     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


then we need to give those foreign fruit pickers status. we cannot have a permanent underclass who live in the shadows, are both exploited and stealing ametican identities /exploiting american citizens. i used to work in a medical clininc in TP MD and so many people were sharing SS#s and scamming medicaid.

There is already a guest worker program for migrant farmworkers. If farms are using undocumented labor, it is because they don’t want to use existing formal channels. We can all speculate as to why.


So it boils down to employers choosing to hire undocumented workers. Want to stop this crap? You find out who's employing them and fine *them*, punish *them*, regulate *them.* Going after the migrants won't work unless there's nothing here for them unless done legally. But Trump/MAGA/any Republican really won't do that because it's too fun to punch down on the "illegals."


Yes, jail large employers that are repeat offenders of hiring illegals. Take their companies and allow someone else to run them. Don't just give them a slap on the wrist fine but take all their income. These are scumbags and don't really care what hapens to them.

But it's typical liberal mindset to not fix the genesis of the problem but throw money at the negative result. If you stop the illegal border crossings and deport a large majority of illegals, then you can reassess afterwards and see if a more sane migrant visa program can or should be instituted. But you can't just keep allowing different groups of people to come in waves and step on the rural and urban poor to maintain a permanent underclass that you pit against each other every four years to get your "safe" votes.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 09:03     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


then we need to give those foreign fruit pickers status. we cannot have a permanent underclass who live in the shadows, are both exploited and stealing ametican identities /exploiting american citizens. i used to work in a medical clininc in TP MD and so many people were sharing SS#s and scamming medicaid.

There is already a guest worker program for migrant farmworkers. If farms are using undocumented labor, it is because they don’t want to use existing formal channels. We can all speculate as to why.


So it boils down to employers choosing to hire undocumented workers. Want to stop this crap? You find out who's employing them and fine *them*, punish *them*, regulate *them.* Going after the migrants won't work unless there's nothing here for them unless done legally. But Trump/MAGA/any Republican really won't do that because it's too fun to punch down on the "illegals."
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 07:46     Subject: Re:Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Since January 2021, sanctuary jurisdictions have released more than 22,000 jailed criminal aliens that ICE was seeking to take into custody for removal, according to ICE records on declined detainers provided to Congress.

The number has grown each year, and represents 6 to 7 percent of ICE detainers issued in those years. Each declined detainer represents a deportable criminal alien who was released back into the community and given the opportunity to prey on more victims. The number reported by ICE include detainers declined by the law enforcement agency with custody of the alien, cases in which the local law enforcement agency provided insufficient notice to ICE to arrive before the alien’s release, and early releases of aliens despite a detainer.

A 2015 ICE report found that 23 percent of criminal aliens released by sanctuaries were subsequently arrested for new crimes within eight months of release.

“Illegal aliens have no right to be in this country. They are not part of our social community. There is no intention that they integrate. As human beings, they have certain rights – we certainly should not turn them away in a medical emergency. As a nation, it is in our interest to provide a limited range of other services- immunizations and treatment of communicable diseases certainly fall into that category. But, if illegal aliens require other aid, it should rightly be provided in their own countries.” 

– August 9, 1994, Barbara Jordan


When Democrats supported US workers first!
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 07:45     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

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Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


then we need to give those foreign fruit pickers status. we cannot have a permanent underclass who live in the shadows, are both exploited and stealing ametican identities /exploiting american citizens. i used to work in a medical clininc in TP MD and so many people were sharing SS#s and scamming medicaid.


Once the foreign fruit pickers are given status, they will no longer be fruit pickers. You are missing the fact that these people are poor and desperate. That is why they work in the fields. How many second generation fruit pickers have you heard of? Once a person has options and security, they are not staying in the fields so this current system is dependent on continuously having a new group of poor people to exploit. The world will never run out of poor desperate people. We could not allow entire industries to operate on that model. Get those jobs automated.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 07:44     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


then we need to give those foreign fruit pickers status. we cannot have a permanent underclass who live in the shadows, are both exploited and stealing ametican identities /exploiting american citizens. i used to work in a medical clininc in TP MD and so many people were sharing SS#s and scamming medicaid.

There is already a guest worker program for migrant farmworkers. If farms are using undocumented labor, it is because they don’t want to use existing formal channels. We can all speculate as to why.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 07:39     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


stop if with the chamber of commerce propaganda. Americans will do any job.

Chicken farms

Less than one week after ICE raided 7 food processing facilities in Mississippi apprehending nearly 700 illegal workers, American citizens are rushing to freshly-available jobs.

Koch Foods is headquartered in Chicago but maintains a chicken processing facility in Mississippi that employed 243 of the 680 undocumented Latino workers arrested in the raids last Thursday. Koch has since collaborated with the Mississippi Department of Employment Security (MDES), holding a job fair to recruit new, legal, workers, according to the Associated Press.

The fair raked in 200 applications before noon, according to local media. The company says it will require applicants to present two forms of identification before being hired, according to CNN. MDES will also vet all Mississippi workers for legality using the state’s E-Verify system, according to USA Today.

I would not do that work for peanuts with no benefits, like most US workers. maybe they should increase the wages and add health care? crazy idea to people like you.

Econ 101 will give you background on the impact of Supply and Demand on prices.

if Supply goes up, the cost will come down.
if Supply goes down, the cost goes up.

if we were to limit the overwhelming immigration of low wage workers, the wages for low wage workers would increase.

I think that is a good thing.

people like you think that is a bad thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/13/citizens-line-up-mississippi-jobs-fear-ice-raids-impact-immigrants/


+1 the idea that illegal immigrants do jobs that Americans won't do has to be one of the greatest political lies told, believed and perpetuated in modern history. Employers skip over Americans intentionally to hire people here without authorization for a variety of reasons and they spread the lie that they can't find anyone to work. Even the new president of Mexico recently said this publicly.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2024 07:31     Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...


They come because Republicans keep hiring them.


Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)


All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?



You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.


Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?


Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.


American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.


then we need to give those foreign fruit pickers status. we cannot have a permanent underclass who live in the shadows, are both exploited and stealing ametican identities /exploiting american citizens. i used to work in a medical clininc in TP MD and so many people were sharing SS#s and scamming medicaid.