Anonymous wrote:Got barked and growled at for several minutes at Politics and Prose today. Lady, your dog is not able to handle this environment, why are you taking it here?!

This is why I hate dogs in public, and I'm a lifelong dog lover. It's not the dogs, it's their ridiculously entitled, crappy owners. If your dogs isn't properly socialized, leave it at home!

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Anonymous wrote:PP they are not forced but the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school. those dogs have both effects on students.

Oh, stop. If this is your kid, please get them some stress tolerance training, or therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

Otherwise, please kindly stfu with this nonsense. You're a mess.

Yuck you got out on the wrong side of bed today

Not really. I'm just fed up with people acting like their slightest discomfort should require formal accommodations.

"the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school." Really, though? Is it? Because if the mere sight of something you dislike simply existing where you can easily avoid it is enough to make you want to quit your obligations entirely, well, you need some stress tolerance training, or maybe therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

It's nonsense, and it's messy. I guess I could've not asked someone, mock-politely, to STFU with their messy nonsense, but, you know, I don't owe people being crazy demanding a gentle audience for their madness.

But you seem fine with all these fakers saying boo hoo, poor me, I need to bring my emotional support mutt EVERYWHERE with me!

Hypocrite.

Nothing in the comment you're replying to says any of that. It's almost like you're determined to make a messy argument where there isn't even a point to argue. Sounds like a you issue...

For the record: no, I'm not at all fine with the "fakers" you reference. I'm also not qualified to say whose dogs are/aren't service animals, so I mind my own business about things that aren't my place to judge. You should try it.

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Anonymous wrote:PP they are not forced but the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school. those dogs have both effects on students.

Oh, stop. If this is your kid, please get them some stress tolerance training, or therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

Otherwise, please kindly stfu with this nonsense. You're a mess.

Yuck you got out on the wrong side of bed today

Not really. I'm just fed up with people acting like their slightest discomfort should require formal accommodations.

"the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school." Really, though? Is it? Because if the mere sight of something you dislike simply existing where you can easily avoid it is enough to make you want to quit your obligations entirely, well, you need some stress tolerance training, or maybe therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

It's nonsense, and it's messy. I guess I could've not asked someone, mock-politely, to STFU with their messy nonsense, but, you know, I don't owe people being crazy demanding a gentle audience for their madness.

I think you need to remember you're talking about young children, and that kids' fears about dogs are actually pretty rational -- dogs are larger or similar in size to many kids,but they are animals and if not trained and socialized, can be very dangerous.

My daughter was afraid of dogs from about 5 to 8. To teach her not to be afraid, we couldn't just say "dogs are fine! They can't hurt you." Because a dog could hurt her. Instead we taught her to pay attention to the behavior of dogs and their owners. To notice the difference between a reactive dog and an non-reactive dog. To pay attention to whether the dog was leashed or not and how short or controlled the leash was. And with time she learned to relax around safe digs, the well behaved ones whose owners took care with them. But we also had to teach her strategies for dealing with dogs who aren't well behaved, whose owners don't train them or restrain them. To pay attention when a dog like this is coming and make choices to avoid them and keep herself safe. Unfortunately, here are more and more dogs like this, and their owners are often oblivious, so they would work against us ("He's friendly!" As their dog bounds up to our clearly terrified kid and tries to pick her face, not getting that the dog's personality is totally beside the point in that situation). So yeah, it took 3 years and now she's ok.

But what were you saying? Something about 1st graders sucking it up and dealing with having dogs in their school, and not being such snowflakes? I can't remember what your point was.

I never said any of that mess.

It's sad, because your paragraph about teaching your kid for how to handle her fear is exactly what i was actually talking about. Your kid had a phobia, for whatever reasons, and you taught her how to negotiate a world that wasn't going to be trigger-free for her.

But then you got all reactionary and weird, so I'm not quite sure you're the best example. I'll try again: the point is, if your kid has an issue, it's your job to help your kid learn to navigate the issue, not to demand that the world bubble-wrap itself so your kid never encounters something that might trigger their issues.

If you didn't agree, you wouldn't have done what you did for your kid, so I'm not sure why you're getting ugly with me about it...

Anonymous wrote:PP 20:08 you need to find a new forum with your kind of impolite people if you are triggered by someone sharing about kids' experience to dogs. It's real people and MANY kids included do not like dogs

I'm not "triggered" and I'm well aware that many people, kids included, don't like dogs.

I'm also not going to be hyper-reactionary about this, and demand that the dogs providing an important service to other, possibly traumatized kids, be completely removed from programming because "some people don't like them".

You need to learn to share space with people who disagree with you instead of demanding that people leave because you find them unpleasant or "impolite". You don't get a safe space where you'll never be bothered. You definitely don't get it on an anon board. Fortify yourself and handle reality like an adult.

Got barked and growled at for several minutes at Politics and Prose today. Lady, your dog is not able to handle this environment, why are you taking it here?!

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Anonymous wrote:PP they are not forced but the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school. those dogs have both effects on students.

Oh, stop. If this is your kid, please get them some stress tolerance training, or therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

Otherwise, please kindly stfu with this nonsense. You're a mess.

Yuck you got out on the wrong side of bed today

Not really. I'm just fed up with people acting like their slightest discomfort should require formal accommodations.

"the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school." Really, though? Is it? Because if the mere sight of something you dislike simply existing where you can easily avoid it is enough to make you want to quit your obligations entirely, well, you need some stress tolerance training, or maybe therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

It's nonsense, and it's messy. I guess I could've not asked someone, mock-politely, to STFU with their messy nonsense, but, you know, I don't owe people being crazy demanding a gentle audience for their madness.

But you seem fine with all these fakers saying boo hoo, poor me, I need to bring my emotional support mutt EVERYWHERE with me!

Hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:PP they are not forced but the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school. those dogs have both effects on students.

Oh, stop. If this is your kid, please get them some stress tolerance training, or therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

Otherwise, please kindly stfu with this nonsense. You're a mess.

Yuck you got out on the wrong side of bed today

Not really. I'm just fed up with people acting like their slightest discomfort should require formal accommodations.

"the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school." Really, though? Is it? Because if the mere sight of something you dislike simply existing where you can easily avoid it is enough to make you want to quit your obligations entirely, well, you need some stress tolerance training, or maybe therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

It's nonsense, and it's messy. I guess I could've not asked someone, mock-politely, to STFU with their messy nonsense, but, you know, I don't owe people being crazy demanding a gentle audience for their madness.

I think you need to remember you're talking about young children, and that kids' fears about dogs are actually pretty rational -- dogs are larger or similar in size to many kids,but they are animals and if not trained and socialized, can be very dangerous.

My daughter was afraid of dogs from about 5 to 8. To teach her not to be afraid, we couldn't just say "dogs are fine! They can't hurt you." Because a dog could hurt her. Instead we taught her to pay attention to the behavior of dogs and their owners. To notice the difference between a reactive dog and an non-reactive dog. To pay attention to whether the dog was leashed or not and how short or controlled the leash was. And with time she learned to relax around safe digs, the well behaved ones whose owners took care with them. But we also had to teach her strategies for dealing with dogs who aren't well behaved, whose owners don't train them or restrain them. To pay attention when a dog like this is coming and make choices to avoid them and keep herself safe. Unfortunately, here are more and more dogs like this, and their owners are often oblivious, so they would work against us ("He's friendly!" As their dog bounds up to our clearly terrified kid and tries to pick her face, not getting that the dog's personality is totally beside the point in that situation). So yeah, it took 3 years and now she's ok.

But what were you saying? Something about 1st graders sucking it up and dealing with having dogs in their school, and not being such snowflakes? I can't remember what your point was.

PP 20:08 you need to find a new forum with your kind of impolite people if you are triggered by someone sharing about kids' experience to dogs. It's real people and MANY kids included do not like dogs

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Anonymous wrote:PP they are not forced but the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school. those dogs have both effects on students.

Oh, stop. If this is your kid, please get them some stress tolerance training, or therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

Otherwise, please kindly stfu with this nonsense. You're a mess.

Yuck you got out on the wrong side of bed today

Not really. I'm just fed up with people acting like their slightest discomfort should require formal accommodations.

"the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school." Really, though? Is it? Because if the mere sight of something you dislike simply existing where you can easily avoid it is enough to make you want to quit your obligations entirely, well, you need some stress tolerance training, or maybe therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

It's nonsense, and it's messy. I guess I could've not asked someone, mock-politely, to STFU with their messy nonsense, but, you know, I don't owe people being crazy demanding a gentle audience for their madness.

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Anonymous wrote:PP they are not forced but the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school. those dogs have both effects on students.

Oh, stop. If this is your kid, please get them some stress tolerance training, or therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

Otherwise, please kindly stfu with this nonsense. You're a mess.

Yuck you got out on the wrong side of bed today

But my dog lives for the fries at Le Dip.

Anonymous wrote:PP they are not forced but the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school. those dogs have both effects on students.

Oh, stop. If this is your kid, please get them some stress tolerance training, or therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

Otherwise, please kindly stfu with this nonsense. You're a mess.

PP they are not forced but the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school. those dogs have both effects on students.

Anonymous wrote:They bring service dogs into schools on certain weeks for "mental health" and many students enjoy and use the service. But there's probably an equal number of students who are afraid of dogs even if those particular dogs are meant to be trained therapeutic dogs. Schools should consider having the dogss far far away from areas all students use such as the front lobby and keep them in one room of the school for students needing the service can go get them in that room or meet dogs outside. Just as there's an increase in dogs, there seems to be an increase in people who are allergic to dogs. Allergies to cats and dogs should be the reason businesses should not allow dogs into establishments such as grocery stores, healthcare settings, stores, schools, etc.

Again, most of those places DON'T allow random pet dogs. They are, by law, required to allow trained service dogs. I've never heard of a "service cat" in a similar situation; I do know that cat allergies are more prevalent than dog allergies. There's an uptick in people being afraid of dogs because a lot of idiots own dogs that are absolute menaces, not properly socialized or adequately trained. Unfortunately, those are the sort of entitled jerks forcing their dogs into public space.

Obviously students who are afraid of or allergic to dogs aren't forced to engage a service dog, and I agree that the dogs should be contained somewhere "opt-in" to the extent possible if they're just visiting.

They bring service dogs into schools on certain weeks for "mental health" and many students enjoy and use the service. But there's probably an equal number of students who are afraid of dogs even if those particular dogs are meant to be trained therapeutic dogs. Schools should consider having the dogss far far away from areas all students use such as the front lobby and keep them in one room of the school for students needing the service can go get them in that room or meet dogs outside. Just as there's an increase in dogs, there seems to be an increase in people who are allergic to dogs. Allergies to cats and dogs should be the reason businesses should not allow dogs into establishments such as grocery stores, healthcare settings, stores, schools, etc.