Anonymous wrote:Just got Covid. I've had numerous shots. I don't see the point if it does not prevent the disease.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Anonymous wrote:What are symptoms right now?
I’ve got a low grade fever, stomach bug type systems, headache and intense body pain.

Nothing respiratory…..

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Anonymous wrote:I've admittedly skipped the prior pages, so maybe someone has already made this post, and I'm 100% all in for vaccinations.

But we need to get to a point where covid vaccines are cyclical and routine like flu shots. This year the flu shot was released earlier, and the new covid booster was hard to come by. Our pediatrician offered many many flu clinics, but since they didn't have the new covid shot, it wasn't available. And for adults that are used to getting the flu shot in October, it required an extra appointment to get the new booster.

All to say, we did this, and fine, love to take over Walgreens with three crazy kids, but if you want uptake to be higher you have to make it easier.

I think in the coming years it will be a lot easier, there was just a big change because the government was paying for all Covid vaccines and then we switched to our messed up healthcare system where some people get private insurance to cover it, some people have government funded insurance, and those without insurance are eligible for free vaccines this year. but because the system is all parsed out it’s harder to navigate.

A huge reason the government is recommending everyone get it is so insure will have to pay for it. If they only make her recommendation that older people and say babies have to get it, like used to be the case with flu shot recommendations, insurer are not required to cover those vaccines. They wanted to make it widely available for people who would like to get the shot.

I agree that not everyone needs to get the shot if they don’t want it but I do think it should be available for healthy middle-age folks who just want the shot and insurance should cover it just like flu.

In other countries, it’s all run through the government, so that is why they didn’t give a blanket recommendation.

The CDC should make covid vaccine recommendations based on medical merit, not for the purpose of gaming insurance companies. The CDC's Advisory Cmte on Immunization Practices (ACIP) is composed of medical experts precisely so that they can assess and make vaccine recommendations from a medical perspective, not to figure out health care financing issues. The latter should be dealt with by policy/legislative officials. This is why people have lost confidence in CDC/official covid messaging.

You suggest that the CDC's broad recommendation is helpful to people without medical necessity so that they can get the covid shot free of charge. However, there are real negative consequences of this broad recommendation. Seventy colleges still mandate covid vaccines for young people who face almost no risk from covid but who are at the highest risk of vaccine side effects. The CDC's broad recommendation provides cover for these colleges to continue their mandates. Absent the CDC's broad recommendation, it would be hard for them to keep mandates in place. (Particularly troubling is that some of these colleges only mandate covid vaccines for low-risk students but not for higher-risk faculty or staff.) Every vaccine has side effects, the covid vaccine more than most; they should only be recommended for those individuals where the medical benefit exceeds the medical risks.

The CDC should make vaccine recommendations based on medical merit and let others figure out financing issues. And they should not be asking PCPs to make broad covid vaccination recommendations that are motivated by optimizing insurance funding rather than individual health needs. Nearly every other nation in the world has concluded that covid vaccines should only be recommended for the vulnerable. The CDC should follow suit.

Anonymous wrote:Just got Covid. I've had numerous shots. I don't see the point if it does not prevent the disease.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

No, they don't. They need to stay home when sick, mask and wash hands.

Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

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Anonymous wrote:My thing with masks is unless you truly need to protect against viruses, that people want to escape being sick by masking is detrimental. Just like how we all lose immunity if we stop vax, if everyone just protects themselves, the day you stop, you'll be sicker. Building immunity is part of what keeps you well. Sometimes you get sick and you don't get sicker. All the RSV cases, all these bad sicknesses on the rise in intensity - it's somewhat because nobody got sick for years masking. It's why living on a farm and not constantly washing your hands isn't the worst thing in the world. On some level being 1000% protected and clean doesn't help you keep healthy. We're not going to have perfection. Life is somewhat about getting stronger and while unfortunate that we get sick, managing a cold is better than getting pneumonia. I think people should relax a bit. Some people are dispositioned to feel effects from certain viruses others do not. You should of course try to prevent yourself from harm but reasonably, be logical that nothing is 100% guaranteed. You can mask and isolate and wash your hands 100x a day and still get COVID! My family are really lax about this kind of stuff and we get sick 1x a year all of us. DS has had COVID 2x but the rest of us only once and we've not masked or taken many precautions other than gotten the vax/boosters. Of course that will help you not die and we don't want to die! But on a daily basis, you have to live your live and not be so afraid of it.

It sounds like you are talking about "immunity debt" which isn't supported by science, at least not for adults. You don't need to get sick to stay healthy, and avoiding illness won't make you sicker. Plus, few people are always masking; even if they were, masks aren't 100% effective. We are still exposed to a variety of pathogens.

I also don't agree that wearing a mask demonstrates fear and an inability to enjoy life. After attending multiple crowded indoor events this month and listening to the constant symphony of coughing throughout, being able to wear a mask helps me enjoy these events with less risk of getting sick during this hectic time of year.

Re the bolded part, you mean "isn't supported by my own opinion which I proclaim to be settled and indisputable science."

After the last few years I'm always highly skeptical whenever someone takes this tone and speaks as if they know "science." Science isn't some kind of almighty god with clear cut right and wrong. There is no science bible telling you the exact answer. The poster you responded to made very good points that were commonly known by health officials back in the days when "science" wasn't wielded about like some kind of indisputable moral force, aka pre 2020. Getting sick isn't always to be feared and does build your immunity.

Anonymous wrote:There’s a lot of traveling airplane rides, etc. this weekend creating lots of cross pollination of viruses so everyone please vaccinate and mask up. Be safe.