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Anonymous wrote:15:09. Your argument is a non sequitur. Leave college out of it. High school is not college. Of course there are things high schools can do.

Wait! I thought part of your arguments for why SBG is soooo bad is that it isn't like what kids will experience in college! But, now when I mention that failure to grade assignments happens both in HS and in college, you are telling me to stop talking about college. Hmmm.

The point still stands that SBG really has nothing to do with a particular teacher only grading three assignments/quarter. My kid's teachers at Madison seem to be capable of grading more than 3 assignments per quarter. Maybe it's the teacher that's the problem.

Someone above just showed you how it does. There are significantly less grades and assignments graded or even assigned with SBG.

I don't know who you are referring to about sbg and college. High school is a distinct time of life not to be confused with college and it has a different purpose. To educate all kids in America to a minimally competent academic level before adulthood if not going to college or prepare them for college. College is completely different because it's a focused study for adults mainly specific to a career choice and requires a selection to attend by the applicant and college whereas high school is for all kids within a boundary with no application needed other than specialty programs.

It's been 2 years. People still hate SBG. There is not one positive to the program.

MAybe the point is to DE-emphasize grading, and simultaneously emphasize learning.

maybe the point is that isn't working.

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Anonymous wrote:Well it is using SBG to cover up her failure to grade assessments. So yes it is an SBG problem. And I’m not saying every teacher but this is how it can be used to show grading when there is none.

Ms. Gee?

I’m a different pp, but if by “Gee” you mean the initial “G”, we may be discussing the same teacher. Administration was patronizing and dismissive when I raised concerns.

PP and yes, we are talking about same teacher. We’ve also raised concerns (after first encouraging our student to talk directly to teacher) and we were largely ignored.

I’m truly done with FCPS/JMHS. DC is a senior, so the end is near. Good riddance.

Was your DC hurt during college applications for having lower grades? That is what concerns me is if teachers saying “not mastered” in fall, that is when a lot of kids applying to colleges off those grades.

DP here but based on my older child’s application experience, I’m more worried about sophomore and junior year for my current HS kid. DC #1 applied to 12 schools and at most one of them even looked at senior mid-year grades (most had either made a decision already or directly said they weren’t considering first semester grades unless they requested them). Kids who apply to more schools RD might have an issue with senior year performance, but for ED, EA and rolling admissions it would not have been a problem.

FWIW, #2 has a teacher this year who was very aware of that and actually manipulated the grade book to make the seniors look as good as possible through first semester. Higher practice grades were kept in, a particularly difficult test with a low class average was kept out until after mid-year reports, etc., so some teachers are doing their best to mitigate the impact.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well it is using SBG to cover up her failure to grade assessments. So yes it is an SBG problem. And I’m not saying every teacher but this is how it can be used to show grading when there is none.

Ms. Gee?

I’m a different pp, but if by “Gee” you mean the initial “G”, we may be discussing the same teacher. Administration was patronizing and dismissive when I raised concerns.

PP and yes, we are talking about same teacher. We’ve also raised concerns (after first encouraging our student to talk directly to teacher) and we were largely ignored.

I’m truly done with FCPS/JMHS. DC is a senior, so the end is near. Good riddance.

Was your DC hurt during college applications for having lower grades? That is what concerns me is if teachers saying “not mastered” in fall, that is when a lot of kids applying to colleges off those grades.

Wasn't there a feedback session in the past couple of months? What was that like? What was the response from the administration?

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Anonymous wrote:15:09. Your argument is a non sequitur. Leave college out of it. High school is not college. Of course there are things high schools can do.

Wait! I thought part of your arguments for why SBG is soooo bad is that it isn't like what kids will experience in college! But, now when I mention that failure to grade assignments happens both in HS and in college, you are telling me to stop talking about college. Hmmm.

The point still stands that SBG really has nothing to do with a particular teacher only grading three assignments/quarter. My kid's teachers at Madison seem to be capable of grading more than 3 assignments per quarter. Maybe it's the teacher that's the problem.

Someone above just showed you how it does. There are significantly less grades and assignments graded or even assigned with SBG.

I don't know who you are referring to about sbg and college. High school is a distinct time of life not to be confused with college and it has a different purpose. To educate all kids in America to a minimally competent academic level before adulthood if not going to college or prepare them for college. College is completely different because it's a focused study for adults mainly specific to a career choice and requires a selection to attend by the applicant and college whereas high school is for all kids within a boundary with no application needed other than specialty programs.

It's been 2 years. People still hate SBG. There is not one positive to the program.

MAybe the point is to DE-emphasize grading, and simultaneously emphasize learning.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well it is using SBG to cover up her failure to grade assessments. So yes it is an SBG problem. And I’m not saying every teacher but this is how it can be used to show grading when there is none.

Ms. Gee?

I’m a different pp, but if by “Gee” you mean the initial “G”, we may be discussing the same teacher. Administration was patronizing and dismissive when I raised concerns.

PP and yes, we are talking about same teacher. We’ve also raised concerns (after first encouraging our student to talk directly to teacher) and we were largely ignored.

I’m truly done with FCPS/JMHS. DC is a senior, so the end is near. Good riddance.

My DC is a junior, so clearly things didn’t improve after you raised your concerns.

My current college junior had no issues with any teachers or policies at Madison, including with some of the same teachers (not this one!) my younger child is now having a far less satisfying experience with. I am very ready for this to be over after next year.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well it is using SBG to cover up her failure to grade assessments. So yes it is an SBG problem. And I’m not saying every teacher but this is how it can be used to show grading when there is none.

Ms. Gee?

I’m a different pp, but if by “Gee” you mean the initial “G”, we may be discussing the same teacher. Administration was patronizing and dismissive when I raised concerns.

PP and yes, we are talking about same teacher. We’ve also raised concerns (after first encouraging our student to talk directly to teacher) and we were largely ignored.

I’m truly done with FCPS/JMHS. DC is a senior, so the end is near. Good riddance.

Anonymous wrote:Our teacher that only gives 1 assessment per quarter worth multiple grades and takes 2 months to give back grades posted in schoology that there would be an opportunity after the final assessment to replace any of the final skills grades.

Don't know how she is going to handle all this grading. Oh wait, from the grading I've seen in the past, she just writes "and so?" a few times and gives kids a 3.

How does Madison plan to continue to have high rankings with 1 assessment per quarter?

Calvert is the worst principal this school has ever had and that's saying something from the guy before who only cared about sports.

Maybe Calvert is telling her she needs to show her students have "improved" over the year.

Our teacher that only gives 1 assessment per quarter worth multiple grades and takes 2 months to give back grades posted in schoology that there would be an opportunity after the final assessment to replace any of the final skills grades.

Don't know how she is going to handle all this grading. Oh wait, from the grading I've seen in the past, she just writes "and so?" a few times and gives kids a 3.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s less obvious with SBG because of all the fake practice grades. This is not my first child in high school and I’ve never seen 3 grades total for 3 quarters.

At the very least Madison needs to adhere to the minimum number of assignments and stop pretending that grading one assignment by 4 sections somehow meets the assignment guidelines for FCPS. Talk about checked out classes. I think the guidelines were 4 graded assignments a quarter. This is not overkill for teachers. Give me a break that they are overworked grading 2 assignments a month.

FCPS requires 9 grades per quarter. But the “practice grades” are allowed to count for these in Madison, even though they aren’t graded and don’t count (these are always just As for completion.) So you can end up having just 3-4 real grades per quarter.

So there should be 9 separate assignments on different days graded throughout the quarter. This is not terribly hard. Each quarter is about 45 days long. That is at least 35 days without assessments of any kind.

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Anonymous wrote:15:09. Your argument is a non sequitur. Leave college out of it. High school is not college. Of course there are things high schools can do.

Wait! I thought part of your arguments for why SBG is soooo bad is that it isn't like what kids will experience in college! But, now when I mention that failure to grade assignments happens both in HS and in college, you are telling me to stop talking about college. Hmmm.

The point still stands that SBG really has nothing to do with a particular teacher only grading three assignments/quarter. My kid's teachers at Madison seem to be capable of grading more than 3 assignments per quarter. Maybe it's the teacher that's the problem.

Someone above just showed you how it does. There are significantly less grades and assignments graded or even assigned with SBG.

I don't know who you are referring to about sbg and college. High school is a distinct time of life not to be confused with college and it has a different purpose. To educate all kids in America to a minimally competent academic level before adulthood if not going to college or prepare them for college. College is completely different because it's a focused study for adults mainly specific to a career choice and requires a selection to attend by the applicant and college whereas high school is for all kids within a boundary with no application needed other than specialty programs.

It's been 2 years. People still hate SBG. There is not one positive to the program.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s less obvious with SBG because of all the fake practice grades. This is not my first child in high school and I’ve never seen 3 grades total for 3 quarters.

At the very least Madison needs to adhere to the minimum number of assignments and stop pretending that grading one assignment by 4 sections somehow meets the assignment guidelines for FCPS. Talk about checked out classes. I think the guidelines were 4 graded assignments a quarter. This is not overkill for teachers. Give me a break that they are overworked grading 2 assignments a month.

FCPS requires 9 grades per quarter. But the “practice grades” are allowed to count for these in Madison, even though they aren’t graded and don’t count (these are always just As for completion.) So you can end up having just 3-4 real grades per quarter.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well it is using SBG to cover up her failure to grade assessments. So yes it is an SBG problem. And I’m not saying every teacher but this is how it can be used to show grading when there is none.

Ms. Gee?

I’m a different pp, but if by “Gee” you mean the initial “G”, we may be discussing the same teacher. Administration was patronizing and dismissive when I raised concerns.