Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A vehicle the size of a mini-van with a bottle and Ziploc bags for a toilet. Viewing portal tested to 1400 meters’ depth and they were going down 14,000 feet. Controller made from a GameBoy.

The level of delusion involved in boarding this craft is shocking. It’s hard not to see it as a form of suicide.

Hadn’t it made successful trips before? I agree that it was obviously taking on huge risk, but they probably saw it had been done safely before.

Also, in general we trust that something like this won't be allowed to operate without some sufficient oversight. We trust this every time we get on an airplane or buy a new car, or get on a ride at an amusement park. We trust it when we participate in anything that, of course, has risks - but aren't there guardrails in place to prevent some yahoo from simply taking $250k from whoever wants to pay it and sending them 12,500 feet down without some sort of oversight and inspection?

Of course there can always be an accident, something can always go wrong - but is the system built to go wrong? I guess it turns out it is - but I don't think it's crazy for the people who bought their seats on this doomed ride to have believed that this insane company wouldn't have been allowed to do this unless someone without a financial stake in the company thought it was safe. I know this is an extreme case - but I just don't think you can blame the people who participated for not knowing how unregulated this turned out to be. Or accuse them of wanting to die.

This is just so horrific.

And the migrant boat sinking is also horrific. It's sort of the opposite end of the same spectrum. Though I don't know anyone thinks the migrant boats are safe - it's just the people willing to take them are that desperate.

Anonymous wrote:Have you all discussed the former engineer for OceanGate that pointed out potential flaws and then got in trouble for being a whistleblower to OSHA? That is crazy.

yeah i think that's been mentioned. it is crazy and that company is in BIG trouble (obviously)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A vehicle the size of a mini-van with a bottle and Ziploc bags for a toilet. Viewing portal tested to 1400 meters’ depth and they were going down 14,000 feet. Controller made from a GameBoy.

The level of delusion involved in boarding this craft is shocking. It’s hard not to see it as a form of suicide.

Hadn’t it made successful trips before? I agree that it was obviously taking on huge risk, but they probably saw it had been done safely before.

Three trips is what’s stated above. That’s not much to go on.

How does one look at a GameBoy controller and think “this’ll be fine”?

apparently they wanted to go bad enough - that they were willing to take the risks. I don't understand it myself.

Have you all discussed the former engineer for OceanGate that pointed out potential flaws and then got in trouble for being a whistleblower to OSHA? That is crazy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:one of the members of the 5 is a retired French navy diver. apparently tapping every 30 minutes is a navy call signal and not something random. I think they are or at least were still alive.

That's Paul-Henri Nargeolet, the Titanic expert. I was reading about him last night. Fascinating life story. He devoted his life to Ocean exploration and Titanic research. He's 77 and has been down to the site 35 times!

That’s amazing. How did he go down to the site 35 times (what method)?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:one of the members of the 5 is a retired French navy diver. apparently tapping every 30 minutes is a navy call signal and not something random. I think they are or at least were still alive.

But who said the sound was heard multiple times, every 30 minutes?

yeah I read that too -- who knows what information is correct at this point.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A vehicle the size of a mini-van with a bottle and Ziploc bags for a toilet. Viewing portal tested to 1400 meters’ depth and they were going down 14,000 feet. Controller made from a GameBoy.

The level of delusion involved in boarding this craft is shocking. It’s hard not to see it as a form of suicide.

Hadn’t it made successful trips before? I agree that it was obviously taking on huge risk, but they probably saw it had been done safely before.

Three trips is what’s stated above. That’s not much to go on.

How does one look at a GameBoy controller and think “this’ll be fine”?

Anonymous wrote:one of the members of the 5 is a retired French navy diver. apparently tapping every 30 minutes is a navy call signal and not something random. I think they are or at least were still alive.

That's Paul-Henri Nargeolet, the Titanic expert. I was reading about him last night. Fascinating life story. He devoted his life to Ocean exploration and Titanic research. He's 77 and has been down to the site 35 times!

Anonymous wrote:A vehicle the size of a mini-van with a bottle and Ziploc bags for a toilet. Viewing portal tested to 1400 meters’ depth and they were going down 14,000 feet. Controller made from a GameBoy.

The level of delusion involved in boarding this craft is shocking. It’s hard not to see it as a form of suicide.

But one guy had gone down to the site 35 times, and lived to tell the story. So...no.

(I think it was reckless, but their intentions were not suicidal!)

Anonymous wrote:one of the members of the 5 is a retired French navy diver. apparently tapping every 30 minutes is a navy call signal and not something random. I think they are or at least were still alive.

But who said the sound was heard multiple times, every 30 minutes?

Anonymous wrote:A vehicle the size of a mini-van with a bottle and Ziploc bags for a toilet. Viewing portal tested to 1400 meters’ depth and they were going down 14,000 feet. Controller made from a GameBoy.

The level of delusion involved in boarding this craft is shocking. It’s hard not to see it as a form of suicide.

Hadn’t it made successful trips before? I agree that it was obviously taking on huge risk, but they probably saw it had been done safely before.

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure there's banging and all sorts of other sounds in the ocean.

I just heard a reputable reporter say the reports of "banging" are wrong.
There were "noises" reported. Which could be a million things.

And an undersea expert said his company has location devices in all of its submersibles. Which would have allowed this incident to focus entirely on Rescue, rather than Search. AND, he said OceanGate could have had a Remotely Operated Recovery Vehicle on board the support ship, to use for emergencies (rather than having to wait for recovery vessels to travel great distances to the site).

I wish no harm to anyone, but if the CEO had a hand in any of these decisions (which seems likely) there is justice in him taking one of the seats rather than an unsuspecting customer.

Anonymous wrote:A vehicle the size of a mini-van with a bottle and Ziploc bags for a toilet. Viewing portal tested to 1400 meters’ depth and they were going down 14,000 feet. Controller made from a GameBoy.

The level of delusion involved in boarding this craft is shocking. It’s hard not to see it as a form of suicide.

It would seem so, but before this, the Titan had made 3 expeditions to the Titanic.

one of the members of the 5 is a retired French navy diver. apparently tapping every 30 minutes is a navy call signal and not something random. I think they are or at least were still alive.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to believe the whole world is watching but everyone is helpless to help them.

Must be agony for the family members.

I mean he is just the stepson.

Starting his celebration early.