It’s worse than that — they would have been actively gaslighted and even bullied into not being “ridiculous” and “oversensitive”

Anonymous wrote:Why do people buy a house close to an airport and then complain?

The honest answer to your question is that people who buy houses in areas with acute airplane noise might not be aware of the problem before they move in. They are focused on 100 other things in their house hunt, and they have never lived in Glen Echo Heights, Palisades, Foxhall, Woodmont, etc., so they just don't know.

Then the morning after move-in day -- at about 5:12am -- they start to learn. For obvious reasons, no realtor or neighbor will have warned them.

Why do people buy a house close to an airport and then complain?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Sorry to ask, but can someone other than the clearly very-bothered individual who makes all of the airplane noise posts on this forum please chip in their perspectives on airplane noise in the Cabin John, Potomac, Glen Echo, Palisades neighborhoods? I was over there today and it didn't seem that bad

Not really an issue in Potomac. The North Flow flight pattern that has many up in arms has flights departing DCA go up the river and then either turn right/inland at Glen Echo and ascend over Bethesda (just inside the Beltway), or turn "left" over Cabin John and ascend over Carderock, Great Falls Park, and then Virginia. While a few of the southernmost streets of Potomac may be affected -- although at that point the planes are pretty high -- the majority of Potomac isn't. In fact, overall the consolidation of the (northbound) outbound DCA flight patterns into two main routes probably lessened aviation traffic over Potomac.

It is not a problem in Potomac because Potomac residents with the help of Montgomery County worked with the FAA to shift the flight path in 2021 away from Potomac and towards Carderock and other Montgomery County communities along the river. It is illustrated on page 2.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/625ea372efb30866190dfba3/t/62845a7e63440f52e4f5f4a8/1652841087287/2021.01_MCQSC_Update.pdf

I am sorry communities in Bethesda were not notified of this change or given opportunities to provide feedback. This site is a trove of information.
https://www.flyreagan.com/about-airport/aircraft-noise-information/dca-reagan-national-community-working-group

Montgomery County spokespeople marvel how great it is that you can have a noise increase that people will not notice.

The idiots saying “move” are just that — idiots. Dumping ultrafine particles on densely populated areas is one of the dumbest ideas, and is one of a long list of reasons that you americans look so terrible. Your food is poison, your air gives you cancer, and your water is chemical laden, and you people just shrug it off because thats the american way — letting corporations do whatever in exchange for a bit more convenience. America is the third world country of first world countries and it’s laughable.

There are news articles about people who’ve invested enormously into that and/or bought new construction and they still can’t do much about the noise. And you can’t do anything about the pollution. I imagine with time the prices will stagnate or go down there as the pool of buyers dwindles.

Anonymous wrote:they are overblown.

If you think it's an issue, just move. I don't understand why you people think you have a position here? You live in a dense area with a nearby airport...stop complaining about something that is in your control.

New windows, better insulation, upgrade your home or move.

Better insulation, in the sense of thermal insulation, will do little to dampen noise. You’d need special noise dampening insulation which isn’t a Home Depot item or particularly affordable for an entire house.

That’s just not true — the noise is terrible and pollution is worse. It’s unfair to yell at people to up and move just because you like bathing in kerosene. Many people didn’t realize it were gaslighted by people just like you. You couldn’t sell me a castle in the Palisades these days.

they are overblown.

If you think it's an issue, just move. I don't understand why you people think you have a position here? You live in a dense area with a nearby airport...stop complaining about something that is in your control.

New windows, better insulation, upgrade your home or move.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people live right near airports, under flight paths, and expect zero airport noise?

Have people become this lazy?

The planes flew over the Potomac River and more if Virginia land until 2014.

Then two things happened: NextGen gPs autopilot landing was installed all over the country for billions of $. And simultaneous with that, McLean VA community and local politicians were quick and smart enough to lobby DCA FAA to not have any flight paths over them and mainly over MoCo and NW DC.

This took the 1000s of landings and concentrated them all on the same path for the last 5 mins if their southbound approach.

Many cities with rivers are angry. There are a few solutions: create a few more GPS node flight paths so certain neighborhoods aren’t always harassed by Josie and pollution from 6am until midnight, plus the 2-4am FedEx landings. Or, go back to the Flying over the River approaches.

Approaches do currently fly over the Potomac River but they have to get to the river somehow which means flying over communities.

Prior to 2014 approaches didn't fly over the river. They were primarily over McLean in VA before reaching the river somewhere in DC.

Flying over the river is not always the only or best option. One has to look at topography, population density, availability of other green or empty space, width of the river, land usage, historical flight patterns, etc.

Any blind calls to send flights, arrivals or approaches, over the river, especially in heavily populated urban areas, are often self-serving.

Your view does not reflect the views of all the communities involved. In the fall of 2021, Montgomery and Arlington Counties hired an aviation consultant to revise the flight path for easterly departures, i.e. the flights that turn east past Glen Echo. The new design included a shift of the flight path further east towards the center of the river and therefore towards Bethesda and Palisades. The turn east over Glen Echo would have been sooner too. The push came from a small group of MoCo residents representing one small area. Communities overwhelmingly rejected this idea and the project was abandoned. I hope the message to people like you was loud and clear.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Sorry to ask, but can someone other than the clearly very-bothered individual who makes all of the airplane noise posts on this forum please chip in their perspectives on airplane noise in the Cabin John, Potomac, Glen Echo, Palisades neighborhoods? I was over there today and it didn't seem that bad

Not really an issue in Potomac. The North Flow flight pattern that has many up in arms has flights departing DCA go up the river and then either turn right/inland at Glen Echo and ascend over Bethesda (just inside the Beltway), or turn "left" over Cabin John and ascend over Carderock, Great Falls Park, and then Virginia. While a few of the southernmost streets of Potomac may be affected -- although at that point the planes are pretty high -- the majority of Potomac isn't. In fact, overall the consolidation of the (northbound) outbound DCA flight patterns into two main routes probably lessened aviation traffic over Potomac.

It is not a problem in Potomac because Potomac residents with the help of Montgomery County worked with the FAA to shift the flight path in 2021 away from Potomac and towards Carderock and other Montgomery County communities along the river. It is illustrated on page 2.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/625ea372efb30866190dfba3/t/62845a7e63440f52e4f5f4a8/1652841087287/2021.01_MCQSC_Update.pdf

what communities (exactly) is it shifted to?

Agreed. Palisades is TERRIBLE for airplane noise.

Having said that, it certainly still IS a problem also in Potomac. Just not as bad as Palisades

As was already posted earlier, in 2020 the FAA opened a comment period for Montgomery County residents to provide feedback on the new flight path resulting from the County request to shift departures away from Potomac to other communities, but the County never disclosed that information to residents.

Anonymous wrote:

Sorry to ask, but can someone other than the clearly very-bothered individual who makes all of the airplane noise posts on this forum please chip in their perspectives on airplane noise in the Cabin John, Potomac, Glen Echo, Palisades neighborhoods? I was over there today and it didn't seem that bad

Not really an issue in Potomac. The North Flow flight pattern that has many up in arms has flights departing DCA go up the river and then either turn right/inland at Glen Echo and ascend over Bethesda (just inside the Beltway), or turn "left" over Cabin John and ascend over Carderock, Great Falls Park, and then Virginia. While a few of the southernmost streets of Potomac may be affected -- although at that point the planes are pretty high -- the majority of Potomac isn't. In fact, overall the consolidation of the (northbound) outbound DCA flight patterns into two main routes probably lessened aviation traffic over Potomac.

It is not a problem in Potomac because Potomac residents with the help of Montgomery County worked with the FAA to shift the flight path in 2021 away from Potomac and towards Carderock and other Montgomery County communities along the river. It is illustrated on page 2.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/625ea372efb30866190dfba3/t/62845a7e63440f52e4f5f4a8/1652841087287/2021.01_MCQSC_Update.pdf