Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cling to guns and religion, cling for dear life and pass the pills.

Consider for a moment that (1) a majority, or at least a very large plurality, of Americans distrust the government, and (2) guns and religion are expressions / tools / proxies for self-reliance. Asking voters to trust that the government will take care of them is always going to be a hard sell (particularly if government agencies will be in control of the resources offered), but those doing the selling make it even harder by simultaneously disparaging the tools of self-reliance.

Indeed.

Stop and ask why people are feeling so desperate that they look to religion, violence, and ultimately drugs when neither works to lift them out of their situations. I’m not going to stop caring. Focus on helping. They wouldn’t cling so hard if they felt secure.

Anonymous wrote:Cling to guns and religion, cling for dear life and pass the pills.

Consider for a moment that (1) a majority, or at least a very large plurality, of Americans distrust the government, and (2) guns and religion are expressions / tools / proxies for self-reliance. Asking voters to trust that the government will take care of them is always going to be a hard sell (particularly if government agencies will be in control of the resources offered), but those doing the selling make it even harder by simultaneously disparaging the tools of self-reliance.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that he made a point to note the failure was not Biden, but either some staffers or some people in his administration (can't recall the quote exactly) that slipped some stuff in there that was absolutely unacceptable to him. He said they know what it is.

Maybe he wants a head. Give it to him.

Apparently, his constitutents are telling him what they want.
I suspect he will have a change of heart when Congress reconvenes.

https://bipartisanreport.com/2021/10/25/joe-manchins-popularity-sinking-in-w-v-after-derailing-dem-agenda/

Well no one wants to put lumps of coal in kids stockings at Christmas, except for Manchin’s donors.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that he made a point to note the failure was not Biden, but either some staffers or some people in his administration (can't recall the quote exactly) that slipped some stuff in there that was absolutely unacceptable to him. He said they know what it is.

Maybe he wants a head. Give it to him.

Apparently, his constitutents are telling him what they want.
I suspect he will have a change of heart when Congress reconvenes.

https://bipartisanreport.com/2021/10/25/joe-manchins-popularity-sinking-in-w-v-after-derailing-dem-agenda/

It’s really something to say poor people should have better judgment. I mean come on guys, we know what the effect of poverty is on decision making. When people are worried about keeping the heat on, they don’t have the bandwidth to parse propaganda. And republicans know this! Stop making it easier for them to tell voters Democrats don’t care about them. That’s all they hear. I’m so sad to see what’s happening in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

Not everyone looks for more money and handouts. Pride, etc.

I can't imagine being proud of having the lowest numbers of high school and college graduates, high rates of infant mortality, lowest life expectancy in the country, high rates of poverty and child poverty, high rates of drug addiction.... And repeatedly making choices that keep you there. What's there to be proud of? Living in delusion. Get some help already.

Kennedy wept. What is wrong with you?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

Not everyone looks for more money and handouts. Pride, etc.

I can't imagine being proud of having the lowest numbers of high school and college graduates, high rates of infant mortality, lowest life expectancy in the country, high rates of poverty and child poverty, high rates of drug addiction.... And repeatedly making choices that keep you there. What's there to be proud of? Living in delusion. Get some help already.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that he made a point to note the failure was not Biden, but either some staffers or some people in his administration (can't recall the quote exactly) that slipped some stuff in there that was absolutely unacceptable to him. He said they know what it is.

Maybe he wants a head. Give it to him.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

+1

And it’s obviously the GOP that has the disdain for the poor. No one else begrudges poor people getting a hand up. The only hand the GOP wants to give poor people is strong one to the shoulder to push them off the ladder entirely.

Exactly. And if Manchin ultimately holds up this bill he should be held accountable. I’m sorry his feelings are hurt. But is he really intending to sell his voters out like this? Maybe he thinks he doesn’t need them. Maybe the big money Conservatives (who like to call themselves moderates or independents) in his state are enough to keep him in office. But west Virginians, who voted for Trump, may want someone else. The crazy thing is I could see Trump republicans supporting a lot of the stuff in this bill if they weren’t blinded by partisanship. It’s the “moderate” conservative republicans who are selling them out.

The sad fact is his constituents do need the provisions in BBB - desperately. But like many of Americans white poor and working class, they are more preoccupied, thanks to Fox News and the unethical, power-at-any-cost with boogeymen like “socialism” and “critical race theory” and that climate change is a hoax. They are voting against their best interests and they got the leader they deserve: Manchin. A millionaire who is a-ok with his impoverished state staying poor and poor people continuing to suffer as long as it keeps him in power.

Look, this narrative is really not helpful even though you think you’re telling the truth. The truth is actually a lot more complicated and I urge you to be more empathetic. Yes, it appears they are voting against what you see as their best interests, but if they believe the lies, can you blame them? Most voters are unsophisticated, so really it’s the failure of elected officials to lead that causes what you’re seeing. Manchin has done a a poor job pulling his people out of the conservative black hole, and echoing RW talking points on FN doesn’t help. I don’t know if he doesn’t care, if he’s on the take, or if he’s drinking the koolaide now too. But he seems extremely bitter and maybe it’s time for someone new. Unfortunately I think he’s going to hand his state to a Trumper if he doesn’t make it through the next few years. That’s my gut.

Interesting that he made a point to note the failure was not Biden, but either some staffers or some people in his administration (can't recall the quote exactly) that slipped some stuff in there that was absolutely unacceptable to him. He said they know what it is.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

+1

And it’s obviously the GOP that has the disdain for the poor. No one else begrudges poor people getting a hand up. The only hand the GOP wants to give poor people is strong one to the shoulder to push them off the ladder entirely.

Exactly. And if Manchin ultimately holds up this bill he should be held accountable. I’m sorry his feelings are hurt. But is he really intending to sell his voters out like this? Maybe he thinks he doesn’t need them. Maybe the big money Conservatives (who like to call themselves moderates or independents) in his state are enough to keep him in office. But west Virginians, who voted for Trump, may want someone else. The crazy thing is I could see Trump republicans supporting a lot of the stuff in this bill if they weren’t blinded by partisanship. It’s the “moderate” conservative republicans who are selling them out.

The sad fact is his constituents do need the provisions in BBB - desperately. But like many of Americans white poor and working class, they are more preoccupied, thanks to Fox News and the unethical, power-at-any-cost with boogeymen like “socialism” and “critical race theory” and that climate change is a hoax. They are voting against their best interests and they got the leader they deserve: Manchin. A millionaire who is a-ok with his impoverished state staying poor and poor people continuing to suffer as long as it keeps him in power.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

+1

And it’s obviously the GOP that has the disdain for the poor. No one else begrudges poor people getting a hand up. The only hand the GOP wants to give poor people is strong one to the shoulder to push them off the ladder entirely.

Exactly. And if Manchin ultimately holds up this bill he should be held accountable. I’m sorry his feelings are hurt. But is he really intending to sell his voters out like this? Maybe he thinks he doesn’t need them. Maybe the big money Conservatives (who like to call themselves moderates or independents) in his state are enough to keep him in office. But west Virginians, who voted for Trump, may want someone else. The crazy thing is I could see Trump republicans supporting a lot of the stuff in this bill if they weren’t blinded by partisanship. It’s the “moderate” conservative republicans who are selling them out.

Watching the Squad meltdown is so much fun!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

+1

And it’s obviously the GOP that has the disdain for the poor. No one else begrudges poor people getting a hand up. The only hand the GOP wants to give poor people is strong one to the shoulder to push them off the ladder entirely.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

Not everyone looks for more money and handouts. Pride, etc.