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Anonymous wrote:They either need to go with Map 4 moving Sangster and Shannon station to Lake Braddock, or leave WSHS alone for the next 5 years.

BRAC gave them a very good map. Map 4 was fair, reasonable, met all the mandates in the least disruptive way possible, and solved the WSHS overcrowding.

Reid rejected a perfectly good map that would have gixed WSHS.

The only change she should have made to Map 4 was keeping SPA 8922 at Lewis.

You keep mentioning BRAC. Region 4 BRAC recommended the changes to map 4 based on updates numbers and community feedback. Reid adopted their recommendations for region 4. Moving those Sangster kids moved like 16 kids per class (it did almost zero in lowering any numbers, and moving RV at Lewis negated any 'numbers' in savings. I also believe that neighborhood has been busting its butt to prevent any neighborhoods in WS to be moved out. The target has moved and Reid will need to focus on a larger area to get WSHS under 115%. Or, neighborhoods unite together and keep pressure on Sandy to keep it off the vague 'watchlist' and into boundary cycle outlined by their own policy.

Reid rejected Map 4 for WSHS.

In Reid's map:

* Sangster split feeder did not get moved to Lake Braddock. Sangster was left at WSHS, leaving over 60 students at WSHS that should have been moved to Lake Braddock.

* The most obvious move from Map 4, sending the Keene Mill island all the way on the other side of the boundary, Shannon Station, Blarney Stone, and a few other streets, to White Oaks and Lake Braddock was nixed by Reid. Instead, Reid moved all those Shannon Station townhouses to overcrowded Cardinal Forest, then moved Cardinal Forest homes that were walkable to CF to Keene Mill. This was around 18 students per grade, close to 120 elemementary students and around 70 high school students total.**

* Map 4 moved Rolling Valley SPA 8922 into WSHS from Lewis. Reid rejected this change temporarily, putting SPA 8922 on a mid cycle review to be looked at for rezoning to WSHS in January 2027.

Combined, the Sangster and Shannon Station recommendations from Map 4 removed around 130 students from WSHS, close to 5% of the students.

Combined with class of 2026 graduating, WSHS would be around the target of 105% capacity by adopting Map 4 rezoning Sangster and Shannon Station to Lake Braddock, and rejecting Map 4 moving SPA 8922 Rolling Valley Key Lewis into WSHS, leaving them at Lewis and Key.

Dr. Reid should have kept the majority of Map 4, rejecting only the Rolling Valley SPA 8922 move.

The school board should override Dr. Reid and adopt the Map 4 moved out of WSHS, and freezing any moves into WSHS.



** The Shannon Station townhouse community is slightly smaller than the townhouse community in SPA 8922. It sends between 15+ kids per grade to WSHS. Anderson wants to rezone SPA 8922 to WSHS claiming it will only be around 5 kids per grade because that is how many it sends to Lewis. In my opinion, SPA 8922 will reflect a similar high number of high school students very quickly if it is rezoned to WSHS from Lewis.

Map 4 was never 'BRAC's map'. They took the Thru map 4 and mage adjusting bases on the numbers and community feedback. Moving kids from Rolling Valley was never recommended by BRAC. I'm on the BRAC, but not for region 4. The whole process was a complete mess.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They either need to go with Map 4 moving Sangster and Shannon station to Lake Braddock, or leave WSHS alone for the next 5 years.

BRAC gave them a very good map. Map 4 was fair, reasonable, met all the mandates in the least disruptive way possible, and solved the WSHS overcrowding.

Reid rejected a perfectly good map that would have gixed WSHS.

The only change she should have made to Map 4 was keeping SPA 8922 at Lewis.

You keep mentioning BRAC. Region 4 BRAC recommended the changes to map 4 based on updates numbers and community feedback. Reid adopted their recommendations for region 4. Moving those Sangster kids moved like 16 kids per class (it did almost zero in lowering any numbers, and moving RV at Lewis negated any 'numbers' in savings. I also believe that neighborhood has been busting its butt to prevent any neighborhoods in WS to be moved out. The target has moved and Reid will need to focus on a larger area to get WSHS under 115%. Or, neighborhoods unite together and keep pressure on Sandy to keep it off the vague 'watchlist' and into boundary cycle outlined by their own policy.

Reid rejected Map 4 for WSHS.

In Reid's map:

* Sangster split feeder did not get moved to Lake Braddock. Sangster was left at WSHS, leaving over 60 students at WSHS that should have been moved to Lake Braddock.

* The most obvious move from Map 4, sending the Keene Mill island all the way on the other side of the boundary, Shannon Station, Blarney Stone, and a few other streets, to White Oaks and Lake Braddock was nixed by Reid. Instead, Reid moved all those Shannon Station townhouses to overcrowded Cardinal Forest, then moved Cardinal Forest homes that were walkable to CF to Keene Mill. This was around 18 students per grade, close to 120 elemementary students and around 70 high school students total.**

* Map 4 moved Rolling Valley SPA 8922 into WSHS from Lewis. Reid rejected this change temporarily, putting SPA 8922 on a mid cycle review to be looked at for rezoning to WSHS in January 2027.

Combined, the Sangster and Shannon Station recommendations from Map 4 removed around 130 students from WSHS, close to 5% of the students.

Combined with class of 2026 graduating, WSHS would be around the target of 105% capacity by adopting Map 4 rezoning Sangster and Shannon Station to Lake Braddock, and rejecting Map 4 moving SPA 8922 Rolling Valley Key Lewis into WSHS, leaving them at Lewis and Key.

Dr. Reid should have kept the majority of Map 4, rejecting only the Rolling Valley SPA 8922 move.

The school board should override Dr. Reid and adopt the Map 4 moved out of WSHS, and freezing any moves into WSHS.



** The Shannon Station townhouse community is slightly smaller than the townhouse community in SPA 8922. It sends between 15+ kids per grade to WSHS. Anderson wants to rezone SPA 8922 to WSHS claiming it will only be around 5 kids per grade because that is how many it sends to Lewis. In my opinion, SPA 8922 will reflect a similar high number of high school students very quickly if it is rezoned to WSHS from Lewis.

Anonymous wrote:Sandy is throwing different neighborhoods under the bus to try and save face. She flat out told me the whole reason we are in this mess is because of Daventry being moved and then ballooning and they should be rezoned to Lewis. But Daventry thinks they are safe because they haven't been discussed this time. She has told a friend of mine from another school that my neighborhood is the reason. Typical politician behvaiour, but it really should solidify the fact that NO one should feel safe with mid-cycle reviews.

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If you accept the idea that split feeders and attendance islands should be avoided, the earlier proposal to move the Westbriar island to Wolftrap, move part of Wolftrap to Westbriar, and then have all of Westbriar go to Kilmer/Marshall and all of Wolftrap go to to Thoreau/Madison was logical. But it all fell apart when people, especially those in the town of Vienna, made a big stink about moving to Marshall and how all of the TOV had to go to Madison.

Quite honestly, they were full of crap. Part of the ToV went to Oakton at one point, but the mayor of ToV started asking for meetings with Reid and Meren. So now they have made a one-sided change that pulls kids out of Kilmer/Marshall based on Kilmer numbers they’ve already implicitly admitted were wrong, without moving anyone into Kilmer/Marshall, and further isolates the Westbriar island (it has just been a Westbriar island but now it will be an island at Kilmer and Marshall as well).

It’s incredibly sloppy. Really, they should abandon those changes for now until they make sure they are working with the right Kilmer numbers and not leaving that Westbriar island so stranded. It doesn’t reflect well on Meren or Frisch that they aren’t speaking up more here.

Doesn't it make more sense to address the attendance island by moving them appropriately, rather than making drastic changes to several other neighborhoods just to prevent the island for one neighborhood? Whether or not you agree with the changes is one thing, but putting the cat back in the bag is going to be extremely unpopular now.

I feel like everyone advocating on behalf of that attendance island doesn't actually live in that attendance island, but are instead using it as a justification to complain about the ToV and Wolftrap getting what they advocated for. That attendance island should get their families on the same page and get their voices heard to be on the future changes consideration list.

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Anonymous wrote:So they basically want to do it in two steps to avoid outrage. First move the attendance island out of WSHS and then add that RV area in when no one is paying attention? What is this obsession with that area anyways?

Yes.

Then WSHS will be more overcrowded, because the Lewis SPA 8922 will quickly balloon with high school students, just like Daventry, which was also "fewer than 20 students" when it was zoned for Lewis.

Shannon Station is slightly smaller than Rolling Valley SPA 8922, with almost 4x times the number of high school students.

They are similarly sized and aged homes. SPA 8922 has a better commute access than Shannon Station. The only difference is one is zoned for Lewis and the other WSHS.

It is fairly safe to say the SPA 8922 will have as least as many high school students as Shannon Station in a couple of years if they are rezoned to WSHS

+1 on this. It’s Daventry all over again. Oh it’s “20 kids” or whatever … at Lewis. The second the area gets moved to WSHS, that number will balloon. People will stop moving out once their kids hit middle school or they will stop lying about their address to stay at WSHS. They’ve been through this once and should know by now.

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Anonymous wrote:They either need to go with Map 4 moving Sangster and Shannon station to Lake Braddock, or leave WSHS alone for the next 5 years.

BRAC gave them a very good map. Map 4 was fair, reasonable, met all the mandates in the least disruptive way possible, and solved the WSHS overcrowding.

Reid rejected a perfectly good map that would have gixed WSHS.

The only change she should have made to Map 4 was keeping SPA 8922 at Lewis.

You keep mentioning BRAC. Region 4 BRAC recommended the changes to map 4 based on updates numbers and community feedback. Reid adopted their recommendations for region 4. Moving those Sangster kids moved like 16 kids per class (it did almost zero in lowering any numbers, and moving RV at Lewis negated any 'numbers' in savings. I also believe that neighborhood has been busting its butt to prevent any neighborhoods in WS to be moved out. The target has moved and Reid will need to focus on a larger area to get WSHS under 115%. Or, neighborhoods unite together and keep pressure on Sandy to keep it off the vague 'watchlist' and into boundary cycle outlined by their own policy.

Reid rejected Map 4 for WSHS.

In Reid's map:

* Sangster split feeder did not get moved to Lake Braddock. Sangster was left at WSHS, leaving over 60 students at WSHS that should have been moved to Lake Braddock.

* The most obvious move from Map 4, sending the Keene Mill island all the way on the other side of the boundary, Shannon Station, Blarney Stone, and a few other streets, to White Oaks and Lake Braddock was nixed by Reid. Instead, Reid moved all those Shannon Station townhouses to overcrowded Cardinal Forest, then moved Cardinal Forest homes that were walkable to CF to Keene Mill. This was around 18 students per grade, close to 120 elemementary students and around 70 high school students total.**

* Map 4 moved Rolling Valley SPA 8922 into WSHS from Lewis. Reid rejected this change temporarily, putting SPA 8922 on a mid cycle review to be looked at for rezoning to WSHS in January 2027.

Combined, the Sangster and Shannon Station recommendations from Map 4 removed around 130 students from WSHS, close to 5% of the students.

Combined with class of 2026 graduating, WSHS would be around the target of 105% capacity by adopting Map 4 rezoning Sangster and Shannon Station to Lake Braddock, and rejecting Map 4 moving SPA 8922 Rolling Valley Key Lewis into WSHS, leaving them at Lewis and Key.

Dr. Reid should have kept the majority of Map 4, rejecting only the Rolling Valley SPA 8922 move.

The school board should override Dr. Reid and adopt the Map 4 moved out of WSHS, and freezing any moves into WSHS.



** The Shannon Station townhouse community is slightly smaller than the townhouse community in SPA 8922. It sends between 15+ kids per grade to WSHS. Anderson wants to rezone SPA 8922 to WSHS claiming it will only be around 5 kids per grade because that is how many it sends to Lewis. In my opinion, SPA 8922 will reflect a similar high number of high school students very quickly if it is rezoned to WSHS from Lewis.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about actual modulars or trailers? There is a difference.

I taught in a w classroom temporary trailer. It was great, better than teaching in a regular classroom.

I also had classes in one way back in the 80s.

The students loved the trailer classroom because we got to go outdoors for a bit between classes.

My experience from the 90s does not match yours. We did not like going out in the rain or cold, and if you had a class outside you had to hurry to get there on time and to your next class afterward, with no time to stop at a locker or visit the bathroom.

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Anonymous wrote:So they basically want to do it in two steps to avoid outrage. First move the attendance island out of WSHS and then add that RV area in when no one is paying attention? What is this obsession with that area anyways?

Yes.

Then WSHS will be more overcrowded, because the Lewis SPA 8922 will quickly balloon with high school students, just like Daventry, which was also "fewer than 20 students" when it was zoned for Lewis.

Shannon Station is slightly smaller than Rolling Valley SPA 8922, with almost 4x times the number of high school students.

They are similarly sized and aged homes. SPA 8922 has a better commute access than Shannon Station. The only difference is one is zoned for Lewis and the other WSHS.

It is fairly safe to say the SPA 8922 will have as least as many high school students as Shannon Station in a couple of years if they are rezoned to WSHS

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Anonymous wrote:
If you accept the idea that split feeders and attendance islands should be avoided, the earlier proposal to move the Westbriar island to Wolftrap, move part of Wolftrap to Westbriar, and then have all of Westbriar go to Kilmer/Marshall and all of Wolftrap go to to Thoreau/Madison was logical. But it all fell apart when people, especially those in the town of Vienna, made a big stink about moving to Marshall and how all of the TOV had to go to Madison.

Quite honestly, they were full of crap. Part of the ToV went to Oakton at one point, but the mayor of ToV started asking for meetings with Reid and Meren. So now they have made a one-sided change that pulls kids out of Kilmer/Marshall based on Kilmer numbers they’ve already implicitly admitted were wrong, without moving anyone into Kilmer/Marshall, and further isolates the Westbriar island (it has just been a Westbriar island but now it will be an island at Kilmer and Marshall as well).

It’s incredibly sloppy. Really, they should abandon those changes for now until they make sure they are working with the right Kilmer numbers and not leaving that Westbriar island so stranded. It doesn’t reflect well on Meren or Frisch that they aren’t speaking up more here.

Doesn't it make more sense to address the attendance island by moving them appropriately, rather than making drastic changes to several other neighborhoods just to prevent the island for one neighborhood? Whether or not you agree with the changes is one thing, but putting the cat back in the bag is going to be extremely unpopular now.

I feel like everyone advocating on behalf of that attendance island doesn't actually live in that attendance island, but are instead using it as a justification to complain about the ToV and Wolftrap getting what they advocated for. That attendance island should get their families on the same page and get their voices heard to be on the future changes consideration list.

Anonymous wrote:So they basically want to do it in two steps to avoid outrage. First move the attendance island out of WSHS and then add that RV area in when no one is paying attention? What is this obsession with that area anyways?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They either need to go with Map 4 moving Sangster and Shannon station to Lake Braddock, or leave WSHS alone for the next 5 years.

BRAC gave them a very good map. Map 4 was fair, reasonable, met all the mandates in the least disruptive way possible, and solved the WSHS overcrowding.

Reid rejected a perfectly good map that would have gixed WSHS.

The only change she should have made to Map 4 was keeping SPA 8922 at Lewis.

You keep mentioning BRAC. Region 4 BRAC recommended the changes to map 4 based on updates numbers and community feedback. Reid adopted their recommendations for region 4. Moving those Sangster kids moved like 16 kids per class (it did almost zero in lowering any numbers, and moving RV at Lewis negated any 'numbers' in savings. I also believe that neighborhood has been busting its butt to prevent any neighborhoods in WS to be moved out. The target has moved and Reid will need to focus on a larger area to get WSHS under 115%. Or, neighborhoods unite together and keep pressure on Sandy to keep it off the vague 'watchlist' and into boundary cycle outlined by their own policy.

Reid rejected Map 4 for WSHS.

In Reid's map:

* Sangster split feeder did not get moved to Lake Braddock. Sangster was left at WSHS, leaving over 60 students at WSHS that should have been moved to Lake Braddock.

* The most obvious move from Map 4, sending the Keene Mill island all the way on the other side of the boundary, Shannon Station, Blarney Stone, and a few other streets, to White Oaks and Lake Braddock was nixed by Reid. Instead, Reid moved all those Shannon Station townhouses to overcrowded Cardinal Forest, then moved Cardinal Forest homes that were walkable to CF to Keene Mill. This was around 18 students per grade, close to 120 elemementary students and around 70 high school students total.**

* Map 4 moved Rolling Valley SPA 8922 into WSHS from Lewis. Reid rejected this change temporarily, putting SPA 8922 on a mid cycle review to be looked at for rezoning to WSHS in January 2027.

Combined, the Sangster and Shannon Station recommendations from Map 4 removed around 130 students from WSHS, close to 5% of the students.

Combined with class of 2026 graduating, WSHS would be around the target of 105% capacity by adopting Map 4 rezoning Sangster and Shannon Station to Lake Braddock, and rejecting Map 4 moving SPA 8922 Rolling Valley Key Lewis into WSHS, leaving them at Lewis and Key.

Dr. Reid should have kept the majority of Map 4, rejecting only the Rolling Valley SPA 8922 move.

The school board should override Dr. Reid and adopt the Map 4 moved out of WSHS, and freezing any moves into WSHS.



** The Shannon Station townhouse community is slightly smaller than the townhouse community in SPA 8922. It sends between 15+ kids per grade to WSHS. Anderson wants to rezone SPA 8922 to WSHS claiming it will only be around 5 kids per grade because that is how many it sends to Lewis. In my opinion, SPA 8922 will reflect a similar high number of high school students very quickly if it is rezoned to WSHS from Lewis.

Let's all welcome Sandy Anderson to the chat!

School board if you're reading this here's what to do: "Dear FCPS families, the potential reboundary discussion has been halted until residency checks have been completed. Thank you" Easy as that and over 95% of FCPS families would be happy. Save face school board -- you can do it!

Anonymous wrote:
If you accept the idea that split feeders and attendance islands should be avoided, the earlier proposal to move the Westbriar island to Wolftrap, move part of Wolftrap to Westbriar, and then have all of Westbriar go to Kilmer/Marshall and all of Wolftrap go to to Thoreau/Madison was logical. But it all fell apart when people, especially those in the town of Vienna, made a big stink about moving to Marshall and how all of the TOV had to go to Madison.

Quite honestly, they were full of crap. Part of the ToV went to Oakton at one point, but the mayor of ToV started asking for meetings with Reid and Meren. So now they have made a one-sided change that pulls kids out of Kilmer/Marshall based on Kilmer numbers they’ve already implicitly admitted were wrong, without moving anyone into Kilmer/Marshall, and further isolates the Westbriar island (it has just been a Westbriar island but now it will be an island at Kilmer and Marshall as well).

It’s incredibly sloppy. Really, they should abandon those changes for now until they make sure they are working with the right Kilmer numbers and not leaving that Westbriar island so stranded. It doesn’t reflect well on Meren or Frisch that they aren’t speaking up more here.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They either need to go with Map 4 moving Sangster and Shannon station to Lake Braddock, or leave WSHS alone for the next 5 years.

BRAC gave them a very good map. Map 4 was fair, reasonable, met all the mandates in the least disruptive way possible, and solved the WSHS overcrowding.

Reid rejected a perfectly good map that would have gixed WSHS.

The only change she should have made to Map 4 was keeping SPA 8922 at Lewis.

You keep mentioning BRAC. Region 4 BRAC recommended the changes to map 4 based on updates numbers and community feedback. Reid adopted their recommendations for region 4. Moving those Sangster kids moved like 16 kids per class (it did almost zero in lowering any numbers, and moving RV at Lewis negated any 'numbers' in savings. I also believe that neighborhood has been busting its butt to prevent any neighborhoods in WS to be moved out. The target has moved and Reid will need to focus on a larger area to get WSHS under 115%. Or, neighborhoods unite together and keep pressure on Sandy to keep it off the vague 'watchlist' and into boundary cycle outlined by their own policy.

Reid rejected Map 4 for WSHS.

In Reid's map:

* Sangster split feeder did not get moved to Lake Braddock. Sangster was left at WSHS, leaving over 60 students at WSHS that should have been moved to Lake Braddock.

* The most obvious move from Map 4, sending the Keene Mill island all the way on the other side of the boundary, Shannon Station, Blarney Stone, and a few other streets, to White Oaks and Lake Braddock was nixed by Reid. Instead, Reid moved all those Shannon Station townhouses to overcrowded Cardinal Forest, then moved Cardinal Forest homes that were walkable to CF to Keene Mill. This was around 18 students per grade, close to 120 elemementary students and around 70 high school students total.**

* Map 4 moved Rolling Valley SPA 8922 into WSHS from Lewis. Reid rejected this change temporarily, putting SPA 8922 on a mid cycle review to be looked at for rezoning to WSHS in January 2027.

Combined, the Sangster and Shannon Station recommendations from Map 4 removed around 130 students from WSHS, close to 5% of the students.

Combined with class of 2026 graduating, WSHS would be around the target of 105% capacity by adopting Map 4 rezoning Sangster and Shannon Station to Lake Braddock, and rejecting Map 4 moving SPA 8922 Rolling Valley Key Lewis into WSHS, leaving them at Lewis and Key.

Dr. Reid should have kept the majority of Map 4, rejecting only the Rolling Valley SPA 8922 move.

The school board should override Dr. Reid and adopt the Map 4 moved out of WSHS, and freezing any moves into WSHS.



** The Shannon Station townhouse community is slightly smaller than the townhouse community in SPA 8922. It sends between 15+ kids per grade to WSHS. Anderson wants to rezone SPA 8922 to WSHS claiming it will only be around 5 kids per grade because that is how many it sends to Lewis. In my opinion, SPA 8922 will reflect a similar high number of high school students very quickly if it is rezoned to WSHS from Lewis.