Poor Jen. How can you walk away from Christ so much so that you don’t even mention his name in your Lent video? The very reason Lent and Easter are even a thing to be acknowledged. She got it so right in so many ways in this video but just couldn’t bring herself to say His name. I sincerely pray she turns back.

I am very frank with my daughters about this. I still live with the ghosts 25+ years later

Yes, the "mingling" culture is not all fun dates and weekends away. Tons and tons of loneliness and regret. Jen has no idea how bad it can be on the singles' scene. And now all her friends are married, so that makes it tougher.

Yeah I don’t see the Bible as telling you all how to live. It’s telling ME how to live and the wisdom and benefit from living a god ordered life. Less about rules and more about treating others well and fighting for those that need a voice. Yeah I think there’s wisdom in not sleeping around and I trust that gods way of living is best for me. Not to check the list of being a good person, but because of the inherent benefits to living that way.

But it’s not just about sex or drinking or cheating on my taxes. It’s also equally or more so about feeding the hungry, helping the poor and fighting for justice for those that need it.

How can I give my life away to help those who need it? Over and over and over.

Anonymous wrote:Just because decades of abuse at the hands of the patriarchy happened doesn’t mean that the tinder/hook up/casual dec culture is preferable. Both have real problems and damage people (women especially).

The pushback on purity culture doesn’t give a green light to casual sex and sexual freedom, the pushback is about the guilt and shame associated with an unequal sexual ethic for women within the church. But it doesn’t negate the wisdom of boundaries and discernment about sex.


Both the American evangelical church and progressive Christianity, to me, are missing the mark but from opposite ends.
This world is chaos. God offers a way to live amongst the chaos that brings peace and flourishing to the hurting, the marginalized, and those who need a voice. When people follow Jesus they become part of the plan to bring his kingdom way of living (upside down: serve others. Give away your stuff. Love radically and unconditionally) to the chaotic world. The gospels are for Christian’s to be changed, not to issue edicts for others to change. We change by trying to live like Jesus and the result of a life of peace and love and promoting flourishing for all life is people who get to see a little bit of gods kingdom here on earth. That’s it. Anything else is a shallow attempt at behavior modification or to sell something.

Well put. There is horrible rot on both "ends" of the church. How about a Christianity that takes mission and mercy and injustice and inequality seriously while also believing in the wisdom and protection of God's Law and Biblical living?

You can rightly hate the hypocrisy of the patriarchy and the right-wing alignment of the American evangelical church and also hate the emptiness of the doctrine and the left-wing alignment of the American progressive church.

Jen thinks the right response is some sort of grotesque, performative Sex In The City lifestyle.

I was a wild young woman once and did hook up culture before it was cool. It was a real death of the soul and spirit. It crushed me. I am very frank with my daughters about this. I still live with the ghosts 25+ years later.

THIS! Mel Robbins is another classic example of this.

Hatmaker-adjacent: Mel was flogging her podcast in an email that showcased her friendship with now-deceased Dave Hollis. The grift never sleeps. People were roasting her for it.

I have no idea who she is.

Anonymous wrote:

Just saw the gummy video and LOL

Genuinely funny that she took the wrong one while talking about how they keep her so mentally on track.

Do these people every try anymore? I can't with the rambling influencers (hello Rachel Hollis) whose "podcasts" are just stream of consciousness rambling, the ones who jog and record pep talks, the ones who sit in their cars and tell you that they "see" you. Even Jen's podcast is basically fawning all over the guest. Give me William F Buckley and Firing Line all day.

THIS! Mel Robbins is another classic example of this.

Just because decades of abuse at the hands of the patriarchy happened doesn’t mean that the tinder/hook up/casual dec culture is preferable. Both have real problems and damage people (women especially).

The pushback on purity culture doesn’t give a green light to casual sex and sexual freedom, the pushback is about the guilt and shame associated with an unequal sexual ethic for women within the church. But it doesn’t negate the wisdom of boundaries and discernment about sex.


Both the American evangelical church and progressive Christianity, to me, are missing the mark but from opposite ends.
This world is chaos. God offers a way to live amongst the chaos that brings peace and flourishing to the hurting, the marginalized, and those who need a voice. When people follow Jesus they become part of the plan to bring his kingdom way of living (upside down: serve others. Give away your stuff. Love radically and unconditionally) to the chaotic world. The gospels are for Christian’s to be changed, not to issue edicts for others to change. We change by trying to live like Jesus and the result of a life of peace and love and promoting flourishing for all life is people who get to see a little bit of gods kingdom here on earth. That’s it. Anything else is a shallow attempt at behavior modification or to sell something.

When Jen starting ramping up in popularity- can't really put a finger on when- was it after 7?- I felt that some of the struggles she alluded to in her blog were the result of her taking a big stand for Jesus and the resulting spiritual warfare that happens ( I know this may be a lot for this forum) I thought, wow, she is really taking one for the kingdom and trying to show us how to live out our faith in contemporary, affluent North America. Adopting orphans, feeding the poor, loving those who had no one.

But now I feel it wasn't quite that, and seeing the fruit of Jen's journey right now is so sad. She is a caricature of her former self and has no peace.
Brandon's rather swift entry to a second marriage hurts my heart for Jen. She barely had time to process the divorce and boom- living his best life.

Whoever said she could have a nice career as a teacher of publishing/writing is spot on. She could even teach at university level due to her true success in this field. I have taken some writing classes in the past, and attended talks and workshops with published authors, and they are SO inspirational and generally very helpful and generous with advice and encouragement.

What's up with how she talks in 3rd person all the time, refers to her bookclub as actually Jen Hatmaker bookclub, nighttime Jen gives middle of night Jen, etc

So narcissistic-can you imagine living with her?

Just saw the gummy video and LOL

Genuinely funny that she took the wrong one while talking about how they keep her so mentally on track.

Do these people every try anymore? I can't with the rambling influencers (hello Rachel Hollis) whose "podcasts" are just stream of consciousness rambling, the ones who jog and record pep talks, the ones who sit in their cars and tell you that they "see" you. Even Jen's podcast is basically fawning all over the guest. Give me William F Buckley and Firing Line all day.

Anonymous wrote:Beth Moore always had the grift on. I noticed it when she was charging church ladies 10+ years ago to “stream” her sermons in churches. So everyone would pay for a ticket to watch a livestream. These others are just following in her footsteps. With different angles.

Anyone who thrives for decades in the Southern Baptist Convention is likely not a good person and at best lacks a lot of self awareness. I have a couple close friends who were seriously abused in that world. I’m empathetic to Beth’s childhood trauma but girl….the SBCs corruption was well known to every person inside and are the fakest people you can imagine from top down. Other people - especially women - got kicked out and abused for speaking up and chose against opportunities out of integrity while Beth continually looked the other way and never said anything until a couple years ago after so much damage has been done. She let other people take the abuse by having integrity and she only left when the SBC wasn’t good supply for her anymore and for the optics. Beth Moore is a millionaire and Lifeway (SBC publishing arm) is a seedy organization for years and she was their best seller (at least at the very top) Like Jen she doesn’t have a lot of self awareness about her participation and complacency in the things they were part of and made lots of bank and notoriety off of for decades.

Jen doesn’t ask questions about herself and acts brand new and she’s almost 50. If your deconstruction includes skipping grief and self reflection, whether it’s the break down of your marriage or breaking down your faith - it’s not a real process.

Jen ultimately views everything as how do I get supply from this and skip the inner steps and work to genuinely be the person and get to the place I want to be seen as. Even if there’s a little bit of honest and genuine vulnerability here and there - everything’s always ultimately about the grift.

Beth Moore always had the grift on

X100

She has hair rivaling Gwen what's her name and has become a complete shriekfest. Claims to hear directly from God. Hard, hard pass.

Perhaps legacy collective is her ultimate grift?

In Jen's voice:


Guyyyyyyzzzz. Hi.
We can't take our eyes off the ball! 2022. Legacy Collective. What were their gross donations and what were their gross pay outs and grants? What was their "overheard"? We need to see the receipts!