Anonymous wrote:They either need to go with Map 4 moving Sangster and Shannon station to Lake Braddock, or leave WSHS alone for the next 5 years.

BRAC gave them a very good map. Map 4 was fair, reasonable, met all the mandates in the least disruptive way possible, and solved the WSHS overcrowding.

Reid rejected a perfectly good map that would have gixed WSHS.

The only change she should have made to Map 4 was keeping SPA 8922 at Lewis.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about actual modulars or trailers? There is a difference.

I taught in a w classroom temporary trailer. It was great, better than teaching in a regular classroom.

I also had classes in one way back in the 80s.

The students loved the trailer classroom because we got to go outdoors for a bit between classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about actual modulars or trailers? There is a difference.

I taught in a w classroom temporary trailer. It was great, better than teaching in a regular classroom.

I also had classes in one way back in the 80s.

The students loved the trailer classroom because we got to go outdoors for a bit between classes.

Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about actual modulars or trailers? There is a difference.

Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about actual modulars or trailers? There is a difference.

Anonymous wrote:Sandy loves to pass Kyle notes during meetings He is 100% her most loyal minion. Clearly he knows he is on the way out so he might as well do whatever she wants to keep her in his pocket for whatever comes next. Other schools have used modulars to keep "numbers low" The two modular at WS are used for specific AP classes. Add 2 more and we will be well below the freak out percetage they keep throwing at us. And before people chime in saying how much modulars stink. I am a teacher who has taught in one for 5 year, they are fine. In fact, I like the peace and quiet away from inside! They are not the tin can trailors we had growing up.

Anonymous wrote:OMG, they are going to continue this for WSHS through 2027? That's absolutely ridiculous. This has caused so much stress in our community and now there isn't even going to be a decisive answer? Everybody needs a clear plan and then 5 years (at least) to make the changes and get used to the new boundaries.

Anyone who leads a large group of people knows that you cannot make every person happy. You have to do real research, listen to feedback, but then make the choice that benefits the overall group rather than the loudest voices.

This has been a complete failure of leadership.

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Anonymous wrote:Sandy loves to pass Kyle notes during meetings He is 100% her most loyal minion. Clearly he knows he is on the way out so he might as well do whatever she wants to keep her in his pocket for whatever comes next. Other schools have used modulars to keep "numbers low" The two modular at WS are used for specific AP classes. Add 2 more and we will be well below the freak out percetage they keep throwing at us. And before people chime in saying how much modulars stink. I am a teacher who has taught in one for 5 year, they are fine. In fact, I like the peace and quiet away from inside! They are not the tin can trailors we had growing up.

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The “learning cottage” that I teach in has been on our school property for decades and there is no plan to reduce capacity and remove it or replace it with a newer modular (which are so nice!). I don’t know why people are up in arms about a temporary modular as a solution, when numbers are showing that upcoming classes are smaller in enrollment.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what Reid said she will likely put forth as amendments to her original plan. She said she'll release Thursday. (This is my AI overview of her remarks):

- Proceed now with moving Walney Oaks (SPA 4420) from Franklin MS to Rocky Run MS.
- Defer decisions on Rolling Valley ES split feeder to a new review, with potential relief recommendations due January 2027.
- Defer Beech Tree ES moves tied to Glasgow MS relief; first implement the new Poe AAP center, then report back in January 2027 on Glasgow enrollment and demographics.
- Set January 2027 reviews for:
- Rolling Valley ES
- Beech Tree ES
- Lorton Station / Gunston / Halley / Laurel Hill area
- Graham Greenway / Jefferson Village / Kingsley Commons area
- Crossfield-to-Lee’s Corner 12-student move and related SPAs north of 395 aligned to Edison HS.
- Cardinal Forest / Keene Mill boundary question remains under staff review and may or may not be amended depending on new analysis and further input.

Those dastardly West Springfield moms and their SPA’s north of 395! This was all their doing! :lol:

Well, too bad for them. McDaniel said he wants to put WSHS on the list and thinks its overcrowded. He wants them added to the review for next year.

McDaniel hates West Springfield (the community) because he has a hatred for Pat Herrity and hates the Springfield community for continuing to elect Herrity.

McDaniel is doung this over a political grudge against 22153/22153, not because he cares about rezoning or capacity at WSHS.

DP. West Springfield is identified as the most overcrowded HS in the draft CIP. They lose credibility when they propose to move kids out of Justice, Marshall, and McLean, but not West Springfield. If you think their calculations are wrong you should demand a moratorium on any boundary changes until they audit how they are coming up with their program capacities and forecasts. Attacking individual board members reacting to the information in front of them isn’t a good look.

WSHS community members have raised questions about the data assumptions at WSHS throughout the entire boundary process. No one ever answers the question. The new CIP shows all of the ES feeders and Irving MS dropping in enrollment, but WSHS going up. And they don't explain that. And our school board rep didn't ask about it today at the CIP work meeting, which I listened to for that very reason.

+1 the numbers are suspect to me given the national trends. But at the same time, they have said for years that WSHS’s numbers are going to drop any time now and they just never do. So who knows?

If some of the original plan to move some of Hunt Valley to South County materializes, SCMS/HS won’t be able to pick up many if any other students. Moving some/all of Lorton Station AND some/all of HV south of the Parkway to SC isn’t workable and just creates a capacity situation at a different school.

I think if a neighborhood mives out of WSHS it should be Shannon Station from Keene Mill elementary on the other side of town, to next door White Oaks and Lake Braddock.

Was that one of the original proposed changes that they decided not to go ahead with? It’s a good idea.

It was in Map 4. I am not sure about earlier maps.

Dr. Reid's map changed it.

Instead of sending Shannon Station to White Oaks/Lake Braddock, she did a last minute switch that sends them to Cardinal Forest, then moves walkable Cardinal Forest homes to Keene Mill Elementary to make room for Shannon Station at Cardinal Forest.

Cardinal Forest is already full, and there are a lot of kids in Shannon Station, so there is no room for them at Cardinal Forest unless someone else is moved. Cardinal Forest has very tight boundaries, so anyone getting moved from Cardinal Forest to make room for Shannon Station is going to be unhappy, because almost all of the CF neighborhoods are walkable neighborhoods.

The last minute Shannon Station move by Dr. Reid was not a sensible change, if anyone looks at it objectively. But the Shannon Station families pushed for it.

It now will really matter, since Anderson and McDaniel are pushing to rezone WSHS in January 2027 based on today's work session.

Shannon Station was the most logical neighborhood to move out of WSHS to White Oaks and Lake Braddock, since they are so separate from the rest of Keene Mill, not very close to Cardinal Forest, and very close to White Oaks/LB.

But now that Reid is rezoning them to Cardinal Forest so they can stay at WSHS, Shannon Station will be protected from off cycle rezoning in 2027 and 5 year rezoning in 2031.

It really stinks that Dr. Reid did not keep Map 4 recommendations, at least for Shannon Station.

McDaniel did not say rezone WSHS next year. He said if WSHS continues to be overcrowded in 5 years it has to be looked at.

No, he said he will file an amendment asking Reid to put WSHS on the watch list of areas that will get reviewed starting in Jan 2027.

No, he didn’t. Why are you making things up?

Direct quote from his comments yesterday at the work session:

"The most overcrowded high school in the entire county right now is West Springfield. We're not changing West Springfield now. But what I'm hoping to do is that we put it on a review list. So going forward, we take a look at data assumptions, we take a look at program placement, take a look at transfers. Obviously there's going to be some type of an impact once AAP centers are rolled out countywide."

Perhaps you can tell us what nuance we're missing here.

Why are you selectively editing out the part where he repeatedly said for the next 5 year review cycle, and only if the enrollment data assumptions do show actual overcrowding following a review of programs and transfer policies? It’s like you think people are too stupid to go to YouTube and look for themselves.

In fact, here’s the video. People show watch for themselves and decide.

Comments start at 5:23:15

https://www.youtube.com/live/z-PpU_EqmJU?si=jSMYrs6HQI2yAi9k

Sounds like a hell of a lot more “process” for West Springfield than they’ve followed before kicking kids out of Marshall and McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what Reid said she will likely put forth as amendments to her original plan. She said she'll release Thursday. (This is my AI overview of her remarks):

- Proceed now with moving Walney Oaks (SPA 4420) from Franklin MS to Rocky Run MS.
- Defer decisions on Rolling Valley ES split feeder to a new review, with potential relief recommendations due January 2027.
- Defer Beech Tree ES moves tied to Glasgow MS relief; first implement the new Poe AAP center, then report back in January 2027 on Glasgow enrollment and demographics.
- Set January 2027 reviews for:
- Rolling Valley ES
- Beech Tree ES
- Lorton Station / Gunston / Halley / Laurel Hill area
- Graham Greenway / Jefferson Village / Kingsley Commons area
- Crossfield-to-Lee’s Corner 12-student move and related SPAs north of 395 aligned to Edison HS.
- Cardinal Forest / Keene Mill boundary question remains under staff review and may or may not be amended depending on new analysis and further input.

Those dastardly West Springfield moms and their SPA’s north of 395! This was all their doing! :lol:

Well, too bad for them. McDaniel said he wants to put WSHS on the list and thinks its overcrowded. He wants them added to the review for next year.

McDaniel hates West Springfield (the community) because he has a hatred for Pat Herrity and hates the Springfield community for continuing to elect Herrity.

McDaniel is doung this over a political grudge against 22153/22153, not because he cares about rezoning or capacity at WSHS.

DP. West Springfield is identified as the most overcrowded HS in the draft CIP. They lose credibility when they propose to move kids out of Justice, Marshall, and McLean, but not West Springfield. If you think their calculations are wrong you should demand a moratorium on any boundary changes until they audit how they are coming up with their program capacities and forecasts. Attacking individual board members reacting to the information in front of them isn’t a good look.

WSHS community members have raised questions about the data assumptions at WSHS throughout the entire boundary process. No one ever answers the question. The new CIP shows all of the ES feeders and Irving MS dropping in enrollment, but WSHS going up. And they don't explain that. And our school board rep didn't ask about it today at the CIP work meeting, which I listened to for that very reason.

+1 the numbers are suspect to me given the national trends. But at the same time, they have said for years that WSHS’s numbers are going to drop any time now and they just never do. So who knows?

If some of the original plan to move some of Hunt Valley to South County materializes, SCMS/HS won’t be able to pick up many if any other students. Moving some/all of Lorton Station AND some/all of HV south of the Parkway to SC isn’t workable and just creates a capacity situation at a different school.

I think if a neighborhood mives out of WSHS it should be Shannon Station from Keene Mill elementary on the other side of town, to next door White Oaks and Lake Braddock.

Was that one of the original proposed changes that they decided not to go ahead with? It’s a good idea.

It was in Map 4. I am not sure about earlier maps.

Dr. Reid's map changed it.

Instead of sending Shannon Station to White Oaks/Lake Braddock, she did a last minute switch that sends them to Cardinal Forest, then moves walkable Cardinal Forest homes to Keene Mill Elementary to make room for Shannon Station at Cardinal Forest.

Cardinal Forest is already full, and there are a lot of kids in Shannon Station, so there is no room for them at Cardinal Forest unless someone else is moved. Cardinal Forest has very tight boundaries, so anyone getting moved from Cardinal Forest to make room for Shannon Station is going to be unhappy, because almost all of the CF neighborhoods are walkable neighborhoods.

The last minute Shannon Station move by Dr. Reid was not a sensible change, if anyone looks at it objectively. But the Shannon Station families pushed for it.

It now will really matter, since Anderson and McDaniel are pushing to rezone WSHS in January 2027 based on today's work session.

Shannon Station was the most logical neighborhood to move out of WSHS to White Oaks and Lake Braddock, since they are so separate from the rest of Keene Mill, not very close to Cardinal Forest, and very close to White Oaks/LB.

But now that Reid is rezoning them to Cardinal Forest so they can stay at WSHS, Shannon Station will be protected from off cycle rezoning in 2027 and 5 year rezoning in 2031.

It really stinks that Dr. Reid did not keep Map 4 recommendations, at least for Shannon Station.

McDaniel did not say rezone WSHS next year. He said if WSHS continues to be overcrowded in 5 years it has to be looked at.

No, he said he will file an amendment asking Reid to put WSHS on the watch list of areas that will get reviewed starting in Jan 2027.

No, he didn’t. Why are you making things up?

Direct quote from his comments yesterday at the work session:

"The most overcrowded high school in the entire county right now is West Springfield. We're not changing West Springfield now. But what I'm hoping to do is that we put it on a review list. So going forward, we take a look at data assumptions, we take a look at program placement, take a look at transfers. Obviously there's going to be some type of an impact once AAP centers are rolled out countywide."

Perhaps you can tell us what nuance we're missing here.

Why are you selectively editing out the part where he repeatedly said for the next 5 year review cycle, and only if the enrollment data assumptions do show actual overcrowding following a review of programs and transfer policies? It’s like you think people are too stupid to go to YouTube and look for themselves.

In fact, here’s the video. People show watch for themselves and decide.

Comments start at 5:23:15

https://www.youtube.com/live/z-PpU_EqmJU?si=jSMYrs6HQI2yAi9k

Anonymous wrote:Sandy loves to pass Kyle notes during meetings He is 100% her most loyal minion. Clearly he knows he is on the way out so he might as well do whatever she wants to keep her in his pocket for whatever comes next. Other schools have used modulars to keep "numbers low" The two modular at WS are used for specific AP classes. Add 2 more and we will be well below the freak out percetage they keep throwing at us. And before people chime in saying how much modulars stink. I am a teacher who has taught in one for 5 year, they are fine. In fact, I like the peace and quiet away from inside! They are not the tin can trailors we had growing up.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what Reid said she will likely put forth as amendments to her original plan. She said she'll release Thursday. (This is my AI overview of her remarks):

- Proceed now with moving Walney Oaks (SPA 4420) from Franklin MS to Rocky Run MS.
- Defer decisions on Rolling Valley ES split feeder to a new review, with potential relief recommendations due January 2027.
- Defer Beech Tree ES moves tied to Glasgow MS relief; first implement the new Poe AAP center, then report back in January 2027 on Glasgow enrollment and demographics.
- Set January 2027 reviews for:
- Rolling Valley ES
- Beech Tree ES
- Lorton Station / Gunston / Halley / Laurel Hill area
- Graham Greenway / Jefferson Village / Kingsley Commons area
- Crossfield-to-Lee’s Corner 12-student move and related SPAs north of 395 aligned to Edison HS.
- Cardinal Forest / Keene Mill boundary question remains under staff review and may or may not be amended depending on new analysis and further input.

Those dastardly West Springfield moms and their SPA’s north of 395! This was all their doing! :lol:

Well, too bad for them. McDaniel said he wants to put WSHS on the list and thinks its overcrowded. He wants them added to the review for next year.

McDaniel hates West Springfield (the community) because he has a hatred for Pat Herrity and hates the Springfield community for continuing to elect Herrity.

McDaniel is doung this over a political grudge against 22153/22153, not because he cares about rezoning or capacity at WSHS.

DP. West Springfield is identified as the most overcrowded HS in the draft CIP. They lose credibility when they propose to move kids out of Justice, Marshall, and McLean, but not West Springfield. If you think their calculations are wrong you should demand a moratorium on any boundary changes until they audit how they are coming up with their program capacities and forecasts. Attacking individual board members reacting to the information in front of them isn’t a good look.

WSHS community members have raised questions about the data assumptions at WSHS throughout the entire boundary process. No one ever answers the question. The new CIP shows all of the ES feeders and Irving MS dropping in enrollment, but WSHS going up. And they don't explain that. And our school board rep didn't ask about it today at the CIP work meeting, which I listened to for that very reason.

+1 the numbers are suspect to me given the national trends. But at the same time, they have said for years that WSHS’s numbers are going to drop any time now and they just never do. So who knows?

If some of the original plan to move some of Hunt Valley to South County materializes, SCMS/HS won’t be able to pick up many if any other students. Moving some/all of Lorton Station AND some/all of HV south of the Parkway to SC isn’t workable and just creates a capacity situation at a different school.

I think if a neighborhood mives out of WSHS it should be Shannon Station from Keene Mill elementary on the other side of town, to next door White Oaks and Lake Braddock.

Was that one of the original proposed changes that they decided not to go ahead with? It’s a good idea.

It was in Map 4. I am not sure about earlier maps.

Dr. Reid's map changed it.

Instead of sending Shannon Station to White Oaks/Lake Braddock, she did a last minute switch that sends them to Cardinal Forest, then moves walkable Cardinal Forest homes to Keene Mill Elementary to make room for Shannon Station at Cardinal Forest.

Cardinal Forest is already full, and there are a lot of kids in Shannon Station, so there is no room for them at Cardinal Forest unless someone else is moved. Cardinal Forest has very tight boundaries, so anyone getting moved from Cardinal Forest to make room for Shannon Station is going to be unhappy, because almost all of the CF neighborhoods are walkable neighborhoods.

The last minute Shannon Station move by Dr. Reid was not a sensible change, if anyone looks at it objectively. But the Shannon Station families pushed for it.

It now will really matter, since Anderson and McDaniel are pushing to rezone WSHS in January 2027 based on today's work session.

Shannon Station was the most logical neighborhood to move out of WSHS to White Oaks and Lake Braddock, since they are so separate from the rest of Keene Mill, not very close to Cardinal Forest, and very close to White Oaks/LB.

But now that Reid is rezoning them to Cardinal Forest so they can stay at WSHS, Shannon Station will be protected from off cycle rezoning in 2027 and 5 year rezoning in 2031.

It really stinks that Dr. Reid did not keep Map 4 recommendations, at least for Shannon Station.

McDaniel did not say rezone WSHS next year. He said if WSHS continues to be overcrowded in 5 years it has to be looked at.

No, he said he will file an amendment asking Reid to put WSHS on the watch list of areas that will get reviewed starting in Jan 2027.

No, he didn’t. Why are you making things up?

Direct quote from his comments yesterday at the work session:

"The most overcrowded high school in the entire county right now is West Springfield. We're not changing West Springfield now. But what I'm hoping to do is that we put it on a review list. So going forward, we take a look at data assumptions, we take a look at program placement, take a look at transfers. Obviously there's going to be some type of an impact once AAP centers are rolled out countywide."

Perhaps you can tell us what nuance we're missing here.