Would love to see the sales figures for each of her books since Interrupted.

All about how it's the greatest and most dear and most revelatory thing she'd ever written!

Fierce Free and Full of Fire bit her on the butt. A cookbook was a safe re-entry to the publishing world. But what's next?

NGL- I was at Target and flipped through her cookbook, because I have enjoyed a couple of her recipes in the past when it was just an occasion blog post, like the pizza crust and sauce (delish.) Well, in one of the recipes, the endless preamble included an anecdote about Tray and Jenny and her having a text thread called Thruple and I just thought gross, why does she have to mention this?

The religiosity is helping keep her from utter anonymity and gives her an "edge." Otherwise girlfriend is just a run of the mill middle aged divorcee.

And Big Sass?

Is there just one person calling her “Big Sis” in this thread?

Who would anyone Jen's advice on anything?

She's sort of funny in her writing and seems to be a passable cook. She's not a bad public speaker.

But anything else or substantive like marriage, relationships, child-rearing, or building a career that's not based on predatory grifting would be a hard pass in my book.

I look for advice from grounded, at peace, gracious, professional women who've also been able to build solid marriages and who've been able to raise largely well-adjusted adult children, with all the usual ups and downs. The sort of women who know who they are and aren't chaotic, immature, try-hard shapeshifters blowing in the wind.

Exactly poster above me! 100%.

Of course conservative religious people can by very cruel and hypocritical and vigorously enforce compliance and punish those who stray from the pack.

But guess what, Jen? So can progressive religious people! Sometimes even more so! My husband is an academic at a state university in the midwest. We both have largely only voted for Democrats since the early 2000s. But he has to keep a lot of his personal viewpoints on matters completely private because he knows there is not any tolerance in his professional life for anything that goes against a certain narrative.

Jen's moral blinders are outrageous. Very back and white thinking like a simple person. "My team is 100% good and virtuous all the time and THAT OTHER TEAM is 100% bad and evil all of the time!".

Jen loves to insist on how "nuanced" she is.

But true nuanced thinking isn't tribal boosterism.

Anonymous wrote:Jen Hatmaker

Teacher on All The Things
Woke Deconstruction Goddess
Making the Mess Into Moxie Like A Total GirlBoss
Victim

Ugh I saw her post today and y'all, the rage I feel. The RAGE. She can catch these hands today.

I'm so sick of her acting like she's the first person to Travel This Road. You know what, Jen? Some of us "deconstructed" when we were 19, because we're normal humans who hit our appropriate developmental milestones and that's the point at which you start sorting out your own beliefs from the beliefs of your parents. Some of us didn't feel the need to toss out every.single.thing because we recognized the black-and-white worldview of (many not all) evangelicals could be carried over into other areas of our lives in destructive ways, and instead actually sorted through things and were grateful for the things and people that had nurtured and loved us. We managed to do this without making it into a book or a course we tried to sell to our friends.

You discovered there were some problems with evangelicalism as lived in late-twentieth-century America IN YOUR FORTIES? MA'AM. You get no credit, you get no plaudits, why are you twenty years behind, are there undiagnosed learning challenges at play here.

Let's move on. Most reasonable people raising children of another race decide they should move to a neighborhood and a church that will reflect that child's heritage, because if anyone is going to be the minority and live with that awkwardness, it should be the adult and not the child. Somehow that never occurred to you, even as you posted those children all over social media and waved your Black Lives Matter banner and stood in solidarity with all the people. You STILL live in a town that is less than 3% Black. You founded your own (mostly white) church when you could have gone and quietly worshipped at a Black church. But you didn't, and you *still aren't* but by all means continue to tell us all how to be an ally.

Are you basking in the love and acceptance of your new "tribe"? Guess what: they have their shibboleths too, and when you run afoul them, it'll be just as ugly. You've been a liberal for what, maybe six or seven years now? I've been once since 1991 when I was 14. I'm here to tell you: like any other group, we will tear you to shreds for crossing our lines. If you need proof, just look at the shit the New York Times has gotten this week for saying "it seems reasonable to report on the medicalization of trans children since it is new and experimental and that is basically the definition of journalism." Maybe you'll police yourself more carefully with your new group than you did with your old group, but if you don't, you're in for a rude awakening. People gonna people.

You annoyed me 10 years ago, and somehow you're even more smug and self-righteous now than you were then. No one needs lessons from you on what to do because you've done it all terribly. Literally all of it! Terribly! You are a cautionary tale in how not to raise children/fight for justice/serve others/color your hair!

Ugh she's exhausting and the actual worse.

Anonymous wrote:Also she’s embracing sec outside of marriage. The exact thing that led to the end of her marriage? How does she reconcile that?

Dadgumit. These coy responses are exhausting. I come here wanting to snark on Jen and then feel the need to defend. You cannot be serious with thinking an affair is the same as two unmarried adults having a sexual relationship with each other.

Jen's socials are a carefully curated assemblage of clapping seal corn-eaters. She's surrounded by fawning yes men and women.

It must bug her to no end that there's this little corner of internet where a handful of people call out her bullshit with no threat of DELETE! BLOCK! DELETE!.

Jen Hatmaker

Teacher on All The Things
Woke Deconstruction Goddess
Making the Mess Into Moxie Like A Total GirlBoss
Victim

We all know that regardless of what she says Jen really wants a committed, big gift giving, publicly fawning partner who supports her 100% in all the things.

Pretty much the exact opposite of Big Sass who gets more emotional about the passing of old white ladies he's never met like Betty White than he does regarding his "girlfriend".

Anonymous wrote:What is everyone predicting for Jen for the rest of 2023?

She hasn't mentioned a book. Will she produce more Me Courses?

Will she and Tyler stay together?
Will she ever find a church that suits her?

Probably more baiting the Christian community that gave her a foundation and platform. It actually garnered interest and attention. I don’t see Tyler in picture for long haul, was probably more a PR driven relationship like Heidi and Dave. Influencers are pretty predictable. Book, podcast, maybe divulge something that again makes Jen seem like a victim. The South Park episode that just came out, nails the ridiculousness of influencer branding.

Unlikely as Jen built a church already in her own image and even that isn't something she participates in anymore.

X1000. This is as sad as it is true.

I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but her behavior is so unglued now- could it be the meds she is on? Have they taken away any filter or inhibition she had previously? Because I barely recognize the smarmy gal in the ad for the sexy Me Course. The tone, the body language...ugh. She will look back on this content and cringe and get mad at her friends for letting her act like that.

The clock is ticking on Big Sass and Big Sis. It's not fueling her narc fuel anymore as no one cares and the ones who do care are laughing at it.

Yeah, I feel this year will be very telling for them. Jen has to subvert so much of herself to placate Big Sass, so will this new Jen now stand up to him and his lecturing?

Once she wakes up and see he is giving her NOTHING and is probably incapable of being the partner she wants and needs, it will be super-easy to offload him. Yay long distance. His Nashville circle will be relieved.