Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 23:23     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
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Anonymous wrote:I’m still so surprised Russia still has not figured out what took down the Wagner plane with all leadership on it.

It is really surprising that they have not asked the NTSB or an international group to help investigate.

It makes you wonder if maybe the Kremlin is covering up something..

Oh, you haven’t heard about the “grenade”? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-hand-grenade-fragments-found-bodies-prigozhin-plane-crash-2023-10-05/
I thought it was hilarious.


Russia really should get to the bottom of this. It seems really suspicious how Wagner leaders died. I guess no one cares? Weren’t they Putin’s go to guys?

Odd Russians are not concerned
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Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 23:15     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Ukraine nor any other power can cross the minefields. Not even Russia.

You are talking about 50 years of clearing them (in peace time) at best.

No; Russia will not hold crimea or the Donbass.

Russian Federation will fall from north and east; territory by territory. Once their navy stops getting paid they are no more of a threat than North Korea.

Their fall from the world stage provided by Putin at the expense of thousands of brave Ukrainians.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 21:30     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
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Anonymous wrote:Tom Graham just had a new book published, and Stephen Kotkin is giving interviews from time to time, they both dig Russia, just in different ways, since one is a former diplomats and the other is a historian. Well they both said that the occupied territories are most likely to be kept by Russia. They are both supportive of Ukraine so it’s not Russian trolling.
The issue now is the exit strategy and how many lives can still be saved. I think it’s possible for Ukraine to keep the Russians where they are now, but at what cost?



That does seem to be Ukraine's strategy presently - war by attrition. They learned this summer that they can't get through the minefields without suffering horrific casualties. So they don't. But increasingly, they've developed an advantage with artillery, tanks, drones, and tactical missiles, which allow them to hit nearly 200 km behind the lines. Ukraine is making this invasion incredibly costly for Russian invaders.

And I don't see that ending. Ukraine might not be able to take back all of Donbass and Crimea. But they can continue to utterly destroy Russia, tank by tank, platoon by platoon. Russia lost hundreds of pieces of equipment and thousands of soldiers last week in a very misguided, poorly led offensive. With time, supplying Crimea will become incredibly difficult and costly for Russia. And of course, Russia can't afford any of this. The wheels will start to come off over the next year or two. Russia is between a rock and a hard place. And there's no way out.


Not entirely true that they aren't advancing through the minefields, either. They have breached many parts of the Surovikin defense line, and have been continually pushing southward toward Tokmak, to the point where they are gaining more and more fire control over critical Russian supply lines. And farther east, they are starting to bridge the Dnipro, which the Russians had assumed would stop them. They already have several bridgeheads established and will likely soon be moving heavier equipment.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 21:15     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Tom Graham just had a new book published, and Stephen Kotkin is giving interviews from time to time, they both dig Russia, just in different ways, since one is a former diplomats and the other is a historian. Well they both said that the occupied territories are most likely to be kept by Russia. They are both supportive of Ukraine so it’s not Russian trolling.
The issue now is the exit strategy and how many lives can still be saved. I think it’s possible for Ukraine to keep the Russians where they are now, but at what cost?



That does seem to be Ukraine's strategy presently - war by attrition. They learned this summer that they can't get through the minefields without suffering horrific casualties. So they don't. But increasingly, they've developed an advantage with artillery, tanks, drones, and tactical missiles, which allow them to hit nearly 200 km behind the lines. Ukraine is making this invasion incredibly costly for Russian invaders.

And I don't see that ending. Ukraine might not be able to take back all of Donbass and Crimea. But they can continue to utterly destroy Russia, tank by tank, platoon by platoon. Russia lost hundreds of pieces of equipment and thousands of soldiers last week in a very misguided, poorly led offensive. With time, supplying Crimea will become incredibly difficult and costly for Russia. And of course, Russia can't afford any of this. The wheels will start to come off over the next year or two. Russia is between a rock and a hard place. And there's no way out.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 20:53     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Tom Graham just had a new book published, and Stephen Kotkin is giving interviews from time to time, they both dig Russia, just in different ways, since one is a former diplomats and the other is a historian. Well they both said that the occupied territories are most likely to be kept by Russia. They are both supportive of Ukraine so it’s not Russian trolling.
The issue now is the exit strategy and how many lives can still be saved. I think it’s possible for Ukraine to keep the Russians where they are now, but at what cost?
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 18:54     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Lie lie lie lie lie…. Send money.

-V. Zelensky, Russian speaker and Ukranian President.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 13:18     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:I’m still so surprised Russia still has not figured out what took down the Wagner plane with all leadership on it.

It is really surprising that they have not asked the NTSB or an international group to help investigate.

It makes you wonder if maybe the Kremlin is covering up something..

Oh, you haven’t heard about the “grenade”? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-hand-grenade-fragments-found-bodies-prigozhin-plane-crash-2023-10-05/
I thought it was hilarious.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 12:58     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:What manufacturing jobs? Russia hasn't had manufacturing jobs in decades. It's nothing more than a gas station run by the mafia that used to have an army.

Russia has been in a demographic crisis for 30 years. The last thing they can afford is to lose an entire generation of 18-39 year old men. Russia's destiny is to go back to being the illiterate backwater it's always been. It doesn't have the demographics - or the army - to continue to be an imperial country.


True.

Their only other manufacturing sector was weapons. This war has exposed just how inferior Russian weapons are to, well, just about anything else available.

And the Russians can’t even procure materials to fulfill orders now.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 12:04     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
What manufacturing jobs? Russia hasn't had manufacturing jobs in decades. It's nothing more than a gas station run by the mafia that used to have an army.

Russia has been in a demographic crisis for 30 years. The last thing they can afford is to lose an entire generation of 18-39 year old men. Russia's destiny is to go back to being the illiterate backwater it's always been. It doesn't have the demographics - or the army - to continue to be an imperial country.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 11:44     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
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Anonymous wrote:This war is getting old. Anyone who doesn’t see that Russia is just dragging this out until we lose interest is not paying attention. Russia could easily drop bombs all day and destroy everything in site. That’s not their goal, they want to drag this out. Whoever said this is gonna be over soon is just confused.



If Russia could drop bombs all day, they would. But they can't. They don't have air superiority. They lost 12 helicopters last week. And a couple of planes. So it's all about artillery and armored attacks over minefields. Ukraine has already neutralized Russia's advantage in artillery. And last week Russia launched a major offensive near Avdivka, where Ukrainians are very well dug in. Russians have lost hundreds of tanks and APCs in this offensive. Hundreds. On average, the Russians are losing 1400 soldiers a day. Every day.

If you think Russia is just toying with Ukraine, you are not paying attention. This war was supposed to take three days. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been devastating for Russia. And it shows no sign of ending anytime soon. Russia has already lost more than half of their military capabilities and all of their good soldiers.They are a shell of what they used to be.


DP. That's incredible! Just mind boggling.


That's because its not remotely true. Its just more of the "throw it at the wall, and see what sticks" that Ukraine constantly spews out. One week, Russia is a conqueror that has to be stopped now before it takes Paris, and the next week its all how Russia is stealing dishwashers to use in their missles, see how weak they are?



Oh nonsense. Somewhere between 190,000 and 290,000 Russian soldiers are dead. Including nearly all Spetsnaz and VDV. More than 5000 tanks have demonstrably been destroyed. More than 9000 APCs. Plus artillery. Plus more than half their helicopters. Plus the flagship of the Black Sea fleet.

Russia will not be invading anyone else for generations. If only Ukraine had air dominance, they could finish this once and for all. But they don't. And so it grinds on in places like Avdiivka, which was a catastrophe for Russia.


So what you are saying is more good manufacturing jobs for Russians in Russia then? And they got to upgrade their military equipment.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 10:47     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
I’m still so surprised Russia still has not figured out what took down the Wagner plane with all leadership on it.

It is really surprising that they have not asked the NTSB or an international group to help investigate.

It makes you wonder if maybe the Kremlin is covering up something.

Russia seemed like it was a really great, modern place in Moscow and a few other spots.

Seems to have taken a quick turn into ISIS with alcohol. And porn, lots of porn.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 10:46     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This war is getting old. Anyone who doesn’t see that Russia is just dragging this out until we lose interest is not paying attention. Russia could easily drop bombs all day and destroy everything in site. That’s not their goal, they want to drag this out. Whoever said this is gonna be over soon is just confused.



If Russia could drop bombs all day, they would. But they can't. They don't have air superiority. They lost 12 helicopters last week. And a couple of planes. So it's all about artillery and armored attacks over minefields. Ukraine has already neutralized Russia's advantage in artillery. And last week Russia launched a major offensive near Avdivka, where Ukrainians are very well dug in. Russians have lost hundreds of tanks and APCs in this offensive. Hundreds. On average, the Russians are losing 1400 soldiers a day. Every day.

If you think Russia is just toying with Ukraine, you are not paying attention. This war was supposed to take three days. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been devastating for Russia. And it shows no sign of ending anytime soon. Russia has already lost more than half of their military capabilities and all of their good soldiers.They are a shell of what they used to be.


DP. That's incredible! Just mind boggling.


That's because its not remotely true. Its just more of the "throw it at the wall, and see what sticks" that Ukraine constantly spews out. One week, Russia is a conqueror that has to be stopped now before it takes Paris, and the next week its all how Russia is stealing dishwashers to use in their missles, see how weak they are?



Oh nonsense. Somewhere between 190,000 and 290,000 Russian soldiers are dead. Including nearly all Spetsnaz and VDV. More than 5000 tanks have demonstrably been destroyed. More than 9000 APCs. Plus artillery. Plus more than half their helicopters. Plus the flagship of the Black Sea fleet.

Russia will not be invading anyone else for generations. If only Ukraine had air dominance, they could finish this once and for all. But they don't. And so it grinds on in places like Avdiivka, which was a catastrophe for Russia.


You don't have to make up numbers, there are very good sources for Russian losses out there, all 34,000 of them: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

Unlike other sources, with Mediazona you get name, rank, week of death, part of the service and other granular data. Its also open source, so if you think they missed someone, or lots of someones, you can tell them.

But I guess you'd rather stick with the "trust me bro" numbers you found somewhere.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 10:35     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
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Anonymous wrote:This war is getting old. Anyone who doesn’t see that Russia is just dragging this out until we lose interest is not paying attention. Russia could easily drop bombs all day and destroy everything in site. That’s not their goal, they want to drag this out. Whoever said this is gonna be over soon is just confused.



If Russia could drop bombs all day, they would. But they can't. They don't have air superiority. They lost 12 helicopters last week. And a couple of planes. So it's all about artillery and armored attacks over minefields. Ukraine has already neutralized Russia's advantage in artillery. And last week Russia launched a major offensive near Avdivka, where Ukrainians are very well dug in. Russians have lost hundreds of tanks and APCs in this offensive. Hundreds. On average, the Russians are losing 1400 soldiers a day. Every day.

If you think Russia is just toying with Ukraine, you are not paying attention. This war was supposed to take three days. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been devastating for Russia. And it shows no sign of ending anytime soon. Russia has already lost more than half of their military capabilities and all of their good soldiers.They are a shell of what they used to be.


DP. That's incredible! Just mind boggling.


That's because its not remotely true. Its just more of the "throw it at the wall, and see what sticks" that Ukraine constantly spews out. One week, Russia is a conqueror that has to be stopped now before it takes Paris, and the next week its all how Russia is stealing dishwashers to use in their missles, see how weak they are?



Oh nonsense. Somewhere between 190,000 and 290,000 Russian soldiers are dead. Including nearly all Spetsnaz and VDV. More than 5000 tanks have demonstrably been destroyed. More than 9000 APCs. Plus artillery. Plus more than half their helicopters. Plus the flagship of the Black Sea fleet.

Russia will not be invading anyone else for generations. If only Ukraine had air dominance, they could finish this once and for all. But they don't. And so it grinds on in places like Avdiivka, which was a catastrophe for Russia.



LOL then clearly Ukraine doesn't need any more help or money. It sounds like you think Russia is defeated already so what else do they need?
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 10:06     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This war is getting old. Anyone who doesn’t see that Russia is just dragging this out until we lose interest is not paying attention. Russia could easily drop bombs all day and destroy everything in site. That’s not their goal, they want to drag this out. Whoever said this is gonna be over soon is just confused.



If Russia could drop bombs all day, they would. But they can't. They don't have air superiority. They lost 12 helicopters last week. And a couple of planes. So it's all about artillery and armored attacks over minefields. Ukraine has already neutralized Russia's advantage in artillery. And last week Russia launched a major offensive near Avdivka, where Ukrainians are very well dug in. Russians have lost hundreds of tanks and APCs in this offensive. Hundreds. On average, the Russians are losing 1400 soldiers a day. Every day.

If you think Russia is just toying with Ukraine, you are not paying attention. This war was supposed to take three days. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been devastating for Russia. And it shows no sign of ending anytime soon. Russia has already lost more than half of their military capabilities and all of their good soldiers.They are a shell of what they used to be.


DP. That's incredible! Just mind boggling.


That's because its not remotely true. Its just more of the "throw it at the wall, and see what sticks" that Ukraine constantly spews out. One week, Russia is a conqueror that has to be stopped now before it takes Paris, and the next week its all how Russia is stealing dishwashers to use in their missles, see how weak they are?



Oh nonsense. Somewhere between 190,000 and 290,000 Russian soldiers are dead. Including nearly all Spetsnaz and VDV. More than 5000 tanks have demonstrably been destroyed. More than 9000 APCs. Plus artillery. Plus more than half their helicopters. Plus the flagship of the Black Sea fleet.

Russia will not be invading anyone else for generations. If only Ukraine had air dominance, they could finish this once and for all. But they don't. And so it grinds on in places like Avdiivka, which was a catastrophe for Russia.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2023 09:51     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked Ukraine is still killing Russians. Send them another 100 billion and keep us posted.

Killing Russians is way more valuable than killing Palestinians. Definitely need to to focus on our true mortal enemy.


+1000.

It's funny to see how the Russian trolling attempts have both become more desperate and reaching, while at the same time degrading in post quality. The level of demoralization comes through more and more.


Its more that all the drama has gone out of the conflict now that Israel is the "current thing." Ukraine is being cut loose, and what little chance it had to "win" has completely evaporated. There is no real chance of Ukraine retaking Crimea or pushing Russia out of the Donbass now. NATO also won't be going in hot. Its just a question of how far Russia can push and at what cost.

To me, people still supporting Ukraine are like people taking their 6th booster. You just shake your head and move on. No argument, meme or dunking on is going to change that mind.