Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BTW, if you look at last year's dashboard compared to this year's, there definitely seem to be more cases this year. Last year there were onesie twosie days interspersed occasionally with four and five cases a day. Now we are getting three and foursies interspersed with eight and nine cases a day. Eight kid cases reported today, 9 kid cases reported last Friday, 10 kid cases reported last Monday.

Not sure if these dashboard cases are overreported, or duplicates. That was a problem last year (though also underreporting on the dashboard has also been a problem).

There are more kids in school this year. A lot more.

Anonymous wrote:Hmmmm it's some weird hypocrisy though when anti-test folks believe in civil discussions about how masks might not be effective but when people from the other side want to talk about ventilation or outdoor lunch all of a sudden we are kooks who are totally without perspective.

Anonymous wrote:BTW, if you look at last year's dashboard compared to this year's, there definitely seem to be more cases this year. Last year there were onesie twosie days interspersed occasionally with four and five cases a day. Now we are getting three and foursies interspersed with eight and nine cases a day. Eight kid cases reported today, 9 kid cases reported last Friday, 10 kid cases reported last Monday.

Not sure if these dashboard cases are overreported, or duplicates. That was a problem last year (though also underreporting on the dashboard has also been a problem).

Anonymous wrote:Hmmmm it's some weird hypocrisy though when anti-test folks believe in civil discussions about how masks might not be effective but when people from the other side want to talk about ventilation or outdoor lunch all of a sudden we are kooks who are totally without perspective.

You guys thought everything was going to be over three months ago (so did I!) and are refusing to readjust to accommodate Delta. Every safety measure is some overreaction even though there are very real stats driving the policies. Please take your "does not affect HEALTHY kids" and place it somewhere dark and narrow. Just to be clear, you are arguing against free testing to kids in schools. You don't want kids to get tested because you don't believe it's worth it to know whether kids who are in the schools have covid and could transmit it to other kids and people in the schools. You are not worried about kids in school getting covid because healthy kids don't die from covid, and anyone they transmit it to doesn't count because they are either (1) unhealthy and therefore on their way out the door already anyway; or (2) not vaccinated so they don't count; or (3) unlucky but hey do you know how many people die from clown accidents every year? More than from covid!

You think you are being realistic and protecting others from disproportionate reactions, but you are the ones who are denying the increasing numbers in our own area and the effect Delta has had on the spread of the disease. You want to have a polite discussion about mask effectiveness now? You guys are living in an alternate reality.

Anonymous wrote:BTW, if you look at last year's dashboard compared to this year's, there definitely seem to be more cases this year. Last year there were onesie twosie days interspersed occasionally with four and five cases a day. Now we are getting three and foursies interspersed with eight and nine cases a day. Eight kid cases reported today, 9 kid cases reported last Friday, 10 kid cases reported last Monday.

Not sure if these dashboard cases are overreported, or duplicates. That was a problem last year (though also underreporting on the dashboard has also been a problem).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The stories on AEM about ResourcePath messes are not inspiring confidence.

Such as?

Tests with inconclusive results, not sending negative results even though parents need them to get their kids out of quarantine, administering screening tests to kids without parental consent forms (APS shares the blame for this), telling parents over the phone they would email results and then not doing so, reporting results to parents before they have physician sign off, having one-on-one calls with parents about testing methods that contradict APS guidance (APS shares blame for this too), etc. I have no doubt they’ve undertaken an enormous task, but between APS and ResourcePath, I don’t have confidence in the surveillance testing process as implemented.

What benefit do you derive by sowing doubt and suspicion? Why do you not want testing to occur or to be successful?

Several of the issues you cited are from a single family’s account, so please don’t make it sound like there are more issues than there are. Also all of the issues you cite besides a single inconclusive test are administrative in nature. It is not Resource Path’s fault that the school nurses don’t all have a consistent approach. Additionally I have yet to hear of a clear incidence where a kid was tested without parental consent - only that parents failed to read the fact that if they were tested at any point last spring or summer, that was considered consent to test weekly. Personally, I think that was a really sneaky and insincere way to drum up their “opt in” numbers, but they did communicate it several places.

Do you have any valid concerns with the testing protocol?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmmm it's some weird hypocrisy though when anti-test folks believe in civil discussions about how masks might not be effective but when people from the other side want to talk about ventilation or outdoor lunch all of a sudden we are kooks who are totally without perspective.

You guys thought everything was going to be over three months ago (so did I!) and are refusing to readjust to accommodate Delta. Every safety measure is some overreaction even though there are very real stats driving the policies. Please take your "does not affect HEALTHY kids" and place it somewhere dark and narrow. Just to be clear, you are arguing against free testing to kids in schools. You don't want kids to get tested because you don't believe it's worth it to know whether kids who are in the schools have covid and could transmit it to other kids and people in the schools. You are not worried about kids in school getting covid because healthy kids don't die from covid, and anyone they transmit it to doesn't count because they are either (1) unhealthy and therefore on their way out the door already anyway; or (2) not vaccinated so they don't count; or (3) unlucky but hey do you know how many people die from clown accidents every year? More than from covid!

You think you are being realistic and protecting others from disproportionate reactions, but you are the ones who are denying the increasing numbers in our own area and the effect Delta has had on the spread of the disease. You want to have a polite discussion about mask effectiveness now? You guys are living in an alternate reality.

You are being disingenuous. Why do you twist perspectives to such an extreme? You know very well that most parents are not "anti-test" and readily test symptomatic children, and then follow all APS guidelines. Let me emphasize that the asymptomatic testing is VOLUNTARY, so no one is rudely breaking rules here. Also, most people are not arguing that masks might not be effective. I think masks are effective, but I don't think we can reasonably expect to mask our children for the next 2-3 years. How many times do we have to say it's more nuanced than being "anti mask" or "anti test"? You simply refuse to engage in anything beyond your own extreme view.

Look outside and see what is actually increasing numbers in our area. It's not asymptomatic children in public schools who are already following several preventative measures. People are traveling internationally, going to church and concerts, etc. etc. etc. Go walk around Clarendon and Shirlington this weekend. You'll see every restaurant and shop packed with young people and baby boomers. Why don't you spend your energy trying to mandate testing for asymptomatic restaurant workers?

Are these the people that are around the little kids so much and where all the under-12 crowd is contracting COVID from?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The stories on AEM about ResourcePath messes are not inspiring confidence.

Such as?

Tests with inconclusive results, not sending negative results even though parents need them to get their kids out of quarantine, administering screening tests to kids without parental consent forms (APS shares the blame for this), telling parents over the phone they would email results and then not doing so, reporting results to parents before they have physician sign off, having one-on-one calls with parents about testing methods that contradict APS guidance (APS shares blame for this too), etc. I have no doubt they’ve undertaken an enormous task, but between APS and ResourcePath, I don’t have confidence in the surveillance testing process as implemented.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmmm it's some weird hypocrisy though when anti-test folks believe in civil discussions about how masks might not be effective but when people from the other side want to talk about ventilation or outdoor lunch all of a sudden we are kooks who are totally without perspective.

You guys thought everything was going to be over three months ago (so did I!) and are refusing to readjust to accommodate Delta. Every safety measure is some overreaction even though there are very real stats driving the policies. Please take your "does not affect HEALTHY kids" and place it somewhere dark and narrow. Just to be clear, you are arguing against free testing to kids in schools. You don't want kids to get tested because you don't believe it's worth it to know whether kids who are in the schools have covid and could transmit it to other kids and people in the schools. You are not worried about kids in school getting covid because healthy kids don't die from covid, and anyone they transmit it to doesn't count because they are either (1) unhealthy and therefore on their way out the door already anyway; or (2) not vaccinated so they don't count; or (3) unlucky but hey do you know how many people die from clown accidents every year? More than from covid!

You think you are being realistic and protecting others from disproportionate reactions, but you are the ones who are denying the increasing numbers in our own area and the effect Delta has had on the spread of the disease. You want to have a polite discussion about mask effectiveness now? You guys are living in an alternate reality.

You are being disingenuous. Why do you twist perspectives to such an extreme? You know very well that most parents are not "anti-test" and readily test symptomatic children, and then follow all APS guidelines. Let me emphasize that the asymptomatic testing is VOLUNTARY, so no one is rudely breaking rules here. Also, most people are not arguing that masks might not be effective. I think masks are effective, but I don't think we can reasonably expect to mask our children for the next 2-3 years. How many times do we have to say it's more nuanced than being "anti mask" or "anti test"? You simply refuse to engage in anything beyond your own extreme view.

Look outside and see what is actually increasing numbers in our area. It's not asymptomatic children in public schools who are already following several preventative measures. People are traveling internationally, going to church and concerts, etc. etc. etc. Go walk around Clarendon and Shirlington this weekend. You'll see every restaurant and shop packed with young people and baby boomers. Why don't you spend your energy trying to mandate testing for asymptomatic restaurant workers?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmmm it's some weird hypocrisy though when anti-test folks believe in civil discussions about how masks might not be effective but when people from the other side want to talk about ventilation or outdoor lunch all of a sudden we are kooks who are totally without perspective.

You guys thought everything was going to be over three months ago (so did I!) and are refusing to readjust to accommodate Delta. Every safety measure is some overreaction even though there are very real stats driving the policies. Please take your "does not affect HEALTHY kids" and place it somewhere dark and narrow. Just to be clear, you are arguing against free testing to kids in schools. You don't want kids to get tested because you don't believe it's worth it to know whether kids who are in the schools have covid and could transmit it to other kids and people in the schools. You are not worried about kids in school getting covid because healthy kids don't die from covid, and anyone they transmit it to doesn't count because they are either (1) unhealthy and therefore on their way out the door already anyway; or (2) not vaccinated so they don't count; or (3) unlucky but hey do you know how many people die from clown accidents every year? More than from covid!

You think you are being realistic and protecting others from disproportionate reactions, but you are the ones who are denying the increasing numbers in our own area and the effect Delta has had on the spread of the disease. You want to have a polite discussion about mask effectiveness now? You guys are living in an alternate reality.

You are being disingenuous. Why do you twist perspectives to such an extreme? You know very well that most parents are not "anti-test" and readily test symptomatic children, and then follow all APS guidelines. Let me emphasize that the asymptomatic testing is VOLUNTARY, so no one is rudely breaking rules here. Also, most people are not arguing that masks might not be effective. I think masks are effective, but I don't think we can reasonably expect to mask our children for the next 2-3 years. How many times do we have to say it's more nuanced than being "anti mask" or "anti test"? You simply refuse to engage in anything beyond your own extreme view.

Look outside and see what is actually increasing numbers in our area. It's not asymptomatic children in public schools who are already following several preventative measures. People are traveling internationally, going to church and concerts, etc. etc. etc. Go walk around Clarendon and Shirlington this weekend. You'll see every restaurant and shop packed with young people and baby boomers. Why don't you spend your energy trying to mandate testing for asymptomatic restaurant workers?

Anonymous wrote:Hmmmm it's some weird hypocrisy though when anti-test folks believe in civil discussions about how masks might not be effective but when people from the other side want to talk about ventilation or outdoor lunch all of a sudden we are kooks who are totally without perspective.

You guys thought everything was going to be over three months ago (so did I!) and are refusing to readjust to accommodate Delta. Every safety measure is some overreaction even though there are very real stats driving the policies. Please take your "does not affect HEALTHY kids" and place it somewhere dark and narrow. Just to be clear, you are arguing against free testing to kids in schools. You don't want kids to get tested because you don't believe it's worth it to know whether kids who are in the schools have covid and could transmit it to other kids and people in the schools. You are not worried about kids in school getting covid because healthy kids don't die from covid, and anyone they transmit it to doesn't count because they are either (1) unhealthy and therefore on their way out the door already anyway; or (2) not vaccinated so they don't count; or (3) unlucky but hey do you know how many people die from clown accidents every year? More than from covid!

You think you are being realistic and protecting others from disproportionate reactions, but you are the ones who are denying the increasing numbers in our own area and the effect Delta has had on the spread of the disease. You want to have a polite discussion about mask effectiveness now? You guys are living in an alternate reality.

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno, PP just above you, ostensibly on your side, is up there professing that masks don't work and shouldn't be required. So who's spreading disinformation, exactly?

It's okay to have civil discussions about the effectiveness of masks--it's really not black and white. Just like covid itself, research is always changing. I personally believe that masks work, and so does APS. That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning how long children will need to wear masks when covid becomes endemic. We need to have these discussions and appreciate that science is not always clear.

That is very different from adults who are actually ripping masks of teachers, refusing to wear them indoors, or, even worse, the politicans who are legally preventing businesses from requiring masks.