Anonymous
06/29/2020 14:41
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems as if anyone who does not support reparations is racist around here.
I don't support reparations.
I guess I am racist.
I guess Barack Obama is racist too.
Oh honey. Did your feelings get hurt? I’m so sorry. But no one called you a racist for not supporting reparations - they called you a racist for the REASONS why you don’t support it. Need a tissue?
No, I'm good. Thanks.
I just know it's projection. And, the way some people here try to shut down discussion when they disagree with the argument.
So. I am not offended nor am I afraid to continue to express my opinion.
Timestamp of post that you believe was an attempt to shut you down?
Not a reply to me, but to another "racist" poster. 06/27/2020 22:25
I called that PP a racist for denying that white people are “privileged”. Also, that PP was generally nasty and not interested in actually discussing the topic.
Do you think white people have more “privilege” than black people in the US? Or, put another way, do you think that black people experience systemic racism in the US today?
If I understand correctly, you generally support my list of reparations with the exception of wanting to include other underprivileged people and also no language about it being for “historical” crimes?
I'm not the poster that supports any kind of reparations. I think it is a dumb idea that would be logistically impossible and would do nothing to advance the cause of POC.
I also don't believe in white privilege. And, to call someone "racist" for not buying into this BS is absurd.
Some white people are privileged. But, just to blow your mind.... some black people are privileged too.
Ask the people who live in the shacks in Appalachia if they are "privileged." Or, the people who live in the back woods of rural areas all over this country.
I also don't think there is systemic racism. There are pockets around our country where racism exists, and there are individuals who are racist. I would include POC in that bucket as well.
But, "systemic racism" is a trope being trotted out now by the Dems, yet again during an election year, to fire up POC. Funny how that happens. Every 4 years. Like clockwork.
You simply don't understand what systemic racism means. You need to go educate yourself. Black people are not privileged when most black men, regardless of their socioeconomic status has been stopped and harassed by police. Just ask Senator Scott.
Anonymous
06/29/2020 14:39
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:What about Native Americans??!!
I'm personally all for it. We've paid reparations before, to the Japanese, to Aleuts of Alaska, Rosewood victims, Tuskegee victims, NC Eugenics victims, etc. This is not new.
Anonymous
06/29/2020 14:36
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems as if anyone who does not support reparations is racist around here.
I don't support reparations.
I guess I am racist.
I guess Barack Obama is racist too.
Oh honey. Did your feelings get hurt? I’m so sorry. But no one called you a racist for not supporting reparations - they called you a racist for the REASONS why you don’t support it. Need a tissue?
I don't support reparations because I don't believe anyone is entitled to personal cash payment for anything that happened to any group in any previous generation, no matter how horrible. I do believe that poor people should be given assistance to earn money, buy homes, build businesses etc. I also believe that systemic racism is a problem and that all forms of systemic racism should be dismantled today but I don't consider this a reparation because it doesn't make up for anything that happened in a previous generation.
I called myself a racist for taking this position. Do you I think I am?
How about the residual harm that black people experience today?
Residual is a subset of current. And gets no privileges over any harm that is not considered "residual."
Open up the ATM for every group that’s been disenfranchised as some point in this nation’s history? Probably not going to happen. There must’ve a better way.
Seriously? Even if you don't believe in reparations, this comment is absurd. Black people were not just "disenfranchised". They worked for free from 1619 to 1865 where there were beat and starved, then from 1865 to 1890, lived under the black codes which were essentially slavery by a different name, then from 1890 to 1960s, Jim Crow, which prevented them from accumulating wealth and voting in many parts of the country and then redlining up until the 1970s. Oh, by the way, unable to get benefits within the New Deal or the GI Bill even though we fault. I won't even talk about the lynchings over 350 years.
Anonymous
06/29/2020 14:23
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/01/21/economic-equality-martin-luther-king-jrs-other-dream/
King’s dream of economic equality has been harder to achieve. Why? For one, he demanded that Americans restructure capitalism, both at home and abroad. But he also challenged a core part of the American Dream: the false assumption that those who work hard can move upward. King rejected the bootstrap myth, because he understood that many people, notably those of color, didn’t even have boots.
His “I Have a Dream” speech in Washington in 1963 laid out a broad economic struggle that black Americans had and would continue to face without adequate redress of civil and economic rights.
Delivering his famous speech at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, King told audiences, “One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. . . . In a sense we’ve come to our nation’s capital to cash a check . . . that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.” Justice in this sense was both protection from segregationists and access to that “vast ocean of material prosperity.”
But only the “dream” part of the speech persists in our national story. White Americans clung to King’s emphasis on the “content of character,” because the phrase appeared to argue for a colorblind society, deflecting attention from the racial injustice built into the American economic system.
King’s dream of economic equality has been harder to achieve. Why? For one, he demanded that Americans restructure capitalism, both at home and abroad. But he also challenged a core part of the American Dream: the false assumption that those who work hard can move upward. King rejected the bootstrap myth, because he understood that many people, notably those of color, didn’t even have boots.
His “I Have a Dream” speech in Washington in 1963 laid out a broad economic struggle that black Americans had and would continue to face without adequate redress of civil and economic rights.
Delivering his famous speech at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, King told audiences, “One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. . . . In a sense we’ve come to our nation’s capital to cash a check . . . that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.” Justice in this sense was both protection from segregationists and access to that “vast ocean of material prosperity.”
But only the “dream” part of the speech persists in our national story. White Americans clung to King’s emphasis on the “content of character,” because the phrase appeared to argue for a colorblind society, deflecting attention from the racial injustice built into the American economic system.
Anonymous
06/29/2020 14:13
Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:I’m black, a descendant of slaves, and I have no desire to receive reparations. To me, reparations are an easy way for white people to absolve their feelings of guilt. It also threatens to maintain the status quo.
I don’t want money thrown at me. I want systemic change. I want to work with peoples of all colors to improve our institutions of government and our public policies, and eradicate that which sustains racism. I want a future in which my kids and grandkids are respected as human beings. I want them judged by their intelligence, empathy, and work ethic - not by the color of their skin.
Money doesn’t buy that.
Didn't Marty already say that?
Anonymous
06/29/2020 11:45
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If people are going to insist on this absurdity 160 years after slavery was ended, then make just the former Confederate states pay. I am from a Northern State that gave more lives fighting for the Union than any other. The descendants of those people have paid enough.
Actually, you should pay reparations to the South for having invaded their country, you colonialist imperialist yankee
The North and other Blue States have been subsidizing the South for decades. Legitimate question is whether we should continue to subsidize these welfare states.
Anonymous
06/29/2020 09:45
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:What about Native Americans??!!
Take a number.
Anonymous
06/29/2020 08:25
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:What about Native Americans??!!
What about them?
Anonymous
06/28/2020 22:51
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
What about Native Americans??!!
Anonymous
06/28/2020 22:47
Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m black, a descendant of slaves, and I have no desire to receive reparations. To me, reparations are an easy way for white people to absolve their feelings of guilt. It also threatens to maintain the status quo.
I don’t want money thrown at me. I want systemic change. I want to work with peoples of all colors to improve our institutions of government and our public policies, and eradicate that which sustains racism. I want a future in which my kids and grandkids are respected as human beings. I want them judged by their intelligence, empathy, and work ethic - not by the color of their skin.
Money doesn’t buy that.
Best post on this forum. Ever. Thank you.
+100
Anonymous
06/28/2020 22:42
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:My question to those in favor of cash reparations:
Are you also in favor of reparations to the victims of war, torture, and oppression promoted by the US in other parts of the world?
The carpet bombing of Vietnam, the hundreds of thousands that died in Iraq, the wars in Central America, Yemen, the executions in Chile. The list, as you all know, is very long and affects multiple times more people of color than the descendants of slaves and native people in the US.
I anticipate that your answer is a resounding YES, OF COURSE! We stand in solidarity with all victims of oppression, and in particular with those that are victims of American policies.
Now how is US going to fund all these reparations abroad? Because if it were really sincere and equanimous about it, all current citizens of the US would likely end up poorer than our current poorest.
The point I am trying to make is that there is not enough wealth to right the wrongs. The solution is through systemic changes within the US and in its relationship to other countries.
Well, after we get reparations from Germany and Japan, we can talk. Oh, and for all the soldiers killed by Iranians through proxies.
Anonymous
06/28/2020 22:39
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
My question to those in favor of cash reparations:
Are you also in favor of reparations to the victims of war, torture, and oppression promoted by the US in other parts of the world?
The carpet bombing of Vietnam, the hundreds of thousands that died in Iraq, the wars in Central America, Yemen, the executions in Chile. The list, as you all know, is very long and affects multiple times more people of color than the descendants of slaves and native people in the US.
I anticipate that your answer is a resounding YES, OF COURSE! We stand in solidarity with all victims of oppression, and in particular with those that are victims of American policies.
Now how is US going to fund all these reparations abroad? Because if it were really sincere and equanimous about it, all current citizens of the US would likely end up poorer than our current poorest.
The point I am trying to make is that there is not enough wealth to right the wrongs. The solution is through systemic changes within the US and in its relationship to other countries.
Are you also in favor of reparations to the victims of war, torture, and oppression promoted by the US in other parts of the world?
The carpet bombing of Vietnam, the hundreds of thousands that died in Iraq, the wars in Central America, Yemen, the executions in Chile. The list, as you all know, is very long and affects multiple times more people of color than the descendants of slaves and native people in the US.
I anticipate that your answer is a resounding YES, OF COURSE! We stand in solidarity with all victims of oppression, and in particular with those that are victims of American policies.
Now how is US going to fund all these reparations abroad? Because if it were really sincere and equanimous about it, all current citizens of the US would likely end up poorer than our current poorest.
The point I am trying to make is that there is not enough wealth to right the wrongs. The solution is through systemic changes within the US and in its relationship to other countries.
Anonymous
06/28/2020 22:36
Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:I’m black, a descendant of slaves, and I have no desire to receive reparations. To me, reparations are an easy way for white people to absolve their feelings of guilt. It also threatens to maintain the status quo.
I don’t want money thrown at me. I want systemic change. I want to work with peoples of all colors to improve our institutions of government and our public policies, and eradicate that which sustains racism. I want a future in which my kids and grandkids are respected as human beings. I want them judged by their intelligence, empathy, and work ethic - not by the color of their skin.
Money doesn’t buy that.
Best post on this forum. Ever. Thank you.
Anonymous
06/28/2020 22:11
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems as if anyone who does not support reparations is racist around here.
I don't support reparations.
I guess I am racist.
I guess Barack Obama is racist too.
Oh honey. Did your feelings get hurt? I’m so sorry. But no one called you a racist for not supporting reparations - they called you a racist for the REASONS why you don’t support it. Need a tissue?
I don't support reparations because I don't believe anyone is entitled to personal cash payment for anything that happened to any group in any previous generation, no matter how horrible. I do believe that poor people should be given assistance to earn money, buy homes, build businesses etc. I also believe that systemic racism is a problem and that all forms of systemic racism should be dismantled today but I don't consider this a reparation because it doesn't make up for anything that happened in a previous generation.
I called myself a racist for taking this position. Do you I think I am?
How about the residual harm that black people experience today?
Residual is a subset of current. And gets no privileges over any harm that is not considered "residual."
Open up the ATM for every group that’s been disenfranchised as some point in this nation’s history? Probably not going to happen. There must’ve a better way.
Well my point is that I am okay to open the ATM to give poor people better jobs no matter what group they are in or whether their grandparents were disenfranchised or not.
Anonymous
06/28/2020 22:05
Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems as if anyone who does not support reparations is racist around here.
I don't support reparations.
I guess I am racist.
I guess Barack Obama is racist too.
Oh honey. Did your feelings get hurt? I’m so sorry. But no one called you a racist for not supporting reparations - they called you a racist for the REASONS why you don’t support it. Need a tissue?
I don't support reparations because I don't believe anyone is entitled to personal cash payment for anything that happened to any group in any previous generation, no matter how horrible. I do believe that poor people should be given assistance to earn money, buy homes, build businesses etc. I also believe that systemic racism is a problem and that all forms of systemic racism should be dismantled today but I don't consider this a reparation because it doesn't make up for anything that happened in a previous generation.
I called myself a racist for taking this position. Do you I think I am?
How about the residual harm that black people experience today?
Residual is a subset of current. And gets no privileges over any harm that is not considered "residual."
Open up the ATM for every group that’s been disenfranchised as some point in this nation’s history? Probably not going to happen. There must’ve a better way.