Anonymous wrote:The AL governor says she has done all she could to get people vaccinated. Does anybody know what she actually did?

Ended mask mandates early, supported Trump, and prohibited businesses from requiring vaccines 🤷

The AL governor says she has done all she could to get people vaccinated. Does anybody know what she actually did?

What took them so long to come to this realization?

Did they leave by choice?

I guess red state governors cancelling the UI programs early simply pushed their residents right into the hands of the Delta variant. Horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing, it's like a memo went to the whole GOP and they have all turned on a dime

They did get a memo. You can even see it on this message board - all of a sudden all the anti-vax trolls that were infesting the Health forum have disappeared.

Not surprised. They finally realized all their voters gonna die of Covid.

What took them so long to come to this realization?

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing, it's like a memo went to the whole GOP and they have all turned on a dime

They did get a memo. You can even see it on this message board - all of a sudden all the anti-vax trolls that were infesting the Health forum have disappeared.

Not surprised. They finally realized all their voters gonna die of Covid.

Anonymous wrote:Amazing, it's like a memo went to the whole GOP and they have all turned on a dime

They did get a memo. You can even see it on this message board - all of a sudden all the anti-vax trolls that were infesting the Health forum have disappeared.

Amazing, it's like a memo went to the whole GOP and they have all turned on a dime

It may not help the case because people like you are too selfish. Just own it.

61,000 new cases today in the US, and counting.

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NP. Because I just don't see the evidence that says that casual vaccinated strangers masking protects kids. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought it was useful. But the truth of the matter is that I run into kids that are too young to be vaccinated in stores and the like indoors. In those spaces, I am do not have much contact with the kid. In the unlikely event that I have an asymptomatic case of COVID now that I am vaccinated and living with vaccinated adults and teens, I just dont see how I could pass the virus to them. And even if lightening struck and I did pass to them, all evidence says that the vast majority of them will be fine. Now if my sister asks me to mask indoors while I hang out with my young nephew, I would do it. Because it is more than casual contact. The likelihood of my nephew picking up COVID from me is also very small, but its higher than for a neighborhood kid at the grocery store. This is why vaccinated people masking creates a sense of protection that is false. The only thing to do with young kids is to unfortunately continue to be mindful of social distancing. I hope the pediatric vaccine is available soon.

Because there are "breakthrough cases" and even if you are asymptomatic, you can STILL pass it on to the unvaccinated kids.

Did you read my whole post? i dont see how I could pass the virus as a vaccinated adult to unrelated kids who I run across in a grocery store. I acknowledged that there is a small risk with my nephews or friends kids who I see for longer periods of time.

You need to read up on the Delta variant. Studies show the viral load from Delta variant was 1000x greater than original strain of Covid, as detected in patients’ noses.

Passing someone on the street, unmasked, is enough to pass it on.

Little kids cannot be vaccinated yet, so when YOU are passing them on the street, if you are positive and potentially asymptomatic, YOU are given the innocent kid the virus.

We don't know, yet, the long term impacts of that, but you should think about how your selfishness impact others.

I am sorry - I don’t doubt that the delta variant is more contagious. And that perhaps there are documented cases of delta being transmitted from a vaccinated individual to an unvaccinated individual in a few seconds indoors. But unless you can show me that is a viable form of transmission in general, I am not going to feel bad about being labeled as “selfish” by you. The individual stories are scary, no doubt about it. But the key in public health, as always, is to look at probability and put forward general guidance based on good evidence. Right now, we know enough to say “get vaccinated - it protects you, it protects your children, and it protects unknown children”. The evidence is good enough to say to parents “don’t let unvaccinated adults near your children indoors. Given the emerging stories, don’t let vaccinated people indoors with your children unmasked for long periods of time”. But to say that vaccinated people who don’t wear masks to the grocery store that you choose to take your kids to are selfish because “they don’t think about the babies” is not helping your case. And I wear masks at grocery stores and am vaccinated.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm OP again. It's getting close to a Blue State Avenger from the looks of it. Then again, it's not like blue states emerged unscathed from the pandemic's worst days of November 2020-February 2021.

Delta seems to be succeeding where Alpha, Beta, and Gamma failed in making a breakthrough in the American market. Of course the other three did succeed in making folks kind of numb about hearing of "variants."

Interesting that some right-wingers are talking up the vaccine now. I figure under-vax'd Democratic-leaning populations (mostly POC) would have a longer tail of getting vaccinated as it seems the vaccine resistant lean Republican but the unvaxed Dems tend to have logistical problems getting vaxed. But heck, I could see this affecting at most 1-2 House races.

Are they really worried swing voters will blame them for a fourth wave? I just figured partisans would blame the other side no matter what and low-engagement voters would blame the Dems.

I think they are worried that their voters are actually going to die and cannot vote for them any longer

Hey, if they want to die rather than live and vote, it's their freedom to do so. Just hate they will take down some good people and small children with them.

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That’s the kicker isn’t it? It’s the collateral damage that makes it hard to just tell them all that they shouldn’t get the vaccine.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm OP again. It's getting close to a Blue State Avenger from the looks of it. Then again, it's not like blue states emerged unscathed from the pandemic's worst days of November 2020-February 2021.

Delta seems to be succeeding where Alpha, Beta, and Gamma failed in making a breakthrough in the American market. Of course the other three did succeed in making folks kind of numb about hearing of "variants."

Interesting that some right-wingers are talking up the vaccine now. I figure under-vax'd Democratic-leaning populations (mostly POC) would have a longer tail of getting vaccinated as it seems the vaccine resistant lean Republican but the unvaxed Dems tend to have logistical problems getting vaxed. But heck, I could see this affecting at most 1-2 House races.

Are they really worried swing voters will blame them for a fourth wave? I just figured partisans would blame the other side no matter what and low-engagement voters would blame the Dems.

I think they are worried that their voters are actually going to die and cannot vote for them any longer

Hey, if they want to die rather than live and vote, it's their freedom to do so. Just hate they will take down some good people and small children with them.

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NP. Because I just don't see the evidence that says that casual vaccinated strangers masking protects kids. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought it was useful. But the truth of the matter is that I run into kids that are too young to be vaccinated in stores and the like indoors. In those spaces, I am do not have much contact with the kid. In the unlikely event that I have an asymptomatic case of COVID now that I am vaccinated and living with vaccinated adults and teens, I just dont see how I could pass the virus to them. And even if lightening struck and I did pass to them, all evidence says that the vast majority of them will be fine. Now if my sister asks me to mask indoors while I hang out with my young nephew, I would do it. Because it is more than casual contact. The likelihood of my nephew picking up COVID from me is also very small, but its higher than for a neighborhood kid at the grocery store. This is why vaccinated people masking creates a sense of protection that is false. The only thing to do with young kids is to unfortunately continue to be mindful of social distancing. I hope the pediatric vaccine is available soon.

Because there are "breakthrough cases" and even if you are asymptomatic, you can STILL pass it on to the unvaccinated kids.

Did you read my whole post? i dont see how I could pass the virus as a vaccinated adult to unrelated kids who I run across in a grocery store. I acknowledged that there is a small risk with my nephews or friends kids who I see for longer periods of time.

You need to read up on the Delta variant. Studies show the viral load from Delta variant was 1000x greater than original strain of Covid, as detected in patients’ noses.

Passing someone on the street, unmasked, is enough to pass it on.

Little kids cannot be vaccinated yet, so when YOU are passing them on the street, if you are positive and potentially asymptomatic, YOU are given the innocent kid the virus.

We don't know, yet, the long term impacts of that, but you should think about how your selfishness impact others.

Anonymous wrote:I'm OP again. It's getting close to a Blue State Avenger from the looks of it. Then again, it's not like blue states emerged unscathed from the pandemic's worst days of November 2020-February 2021.

Delta seems to be succeeding where Alpha, Beta, and Gamma failed in making a breakthrough in the American market. Of course the other three did succeed in making folks kind of numb about hearing of "variants."

Interesting that some right-wingers are talking up the vaccine now. I figure under-vax'd Democratic-leaning populations (mostly POC) would have a longer tail of getting vaccinated as it seems the vaccine resistant lean Republican but the unvaxed Dems tend to have logistical problems getting vaxed. But heck, I could see this affecting at most 1-2 House races.

Are they really worried swing voters will blame them for a fourth wave? I just figured partisans would blame the other side no matter what and low-engagement voters would blame the Dems.

I think they are worried that their voters are actually going to die and cannot vote for them any longer